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I've just realized that wilth all this ban talk we missed to post them recent leaks
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macrodegenerate said:
Wtf is that Captain America card?
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He throws equipment and deals damage equal to the CMC divided to up to 3 creatures and it can auto equip at the beginning of combat. I'm imagining very oppressive sunforger looping. They also redid the order of colors to be RWU instead of URW for obvious reasons.
 
PonderosaPete said:
Why are Captain America's colors based around his identity, but Black Panthers isn't?
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I mean… WoTC sure has printed a lot of GW black characters now that you mention it. Sisay, Shalai, Shanna, Katilda… what did they mean by this???
 
Sol Ring wasn't banned because it's in every single commander deck ever printed, no other reason. Even if you want to stick it to WotC making it so that every player who ever buys a precon is required to modify it instantly to have a legal deck is retarded.

PonderosaPete said:
Why are Captain America's colors based around his identity, but Black Panthers isn't?
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Because no one cares about a fictional country like Wakanda, while USA is numba one.

If I had to guess why Black Panther is WG, it's because those colors are generally associated with African themes in MTG because of Savannah, Savannah Lions, Jungle Lion, Rogue Elephant, etc.

Oddjob OTP said:
blue is an asspull yeah
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Boomerang? As the equipment bounces which is kind of blue?
 
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DOUBLE_WHEEL said:
He throws equipment and deals damage equal to the CMC divided to up to 3 creatures and it can auto equip at the beginning of combat. I'm imagining very oppressive sunforger looping. They also redid the order of colors to be RWU instead of URW for obvious reasons.
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Sunforger and Excalibur, Sword of Eden are the things that spring to mind along with Kaldra Compleat. It's very unusual in that it want to run super expensive equipment
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Unless I am actually insane enough to attempt Forbidden Orchid/Oath of Druids in EDH.
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Proteus Staff + Hullbreaker Horror with a U/x commander that generates tokens is pretty solid. You need to run enough cheap spells to trigger Horror often enough, though.

One of the things that tickles me about this ban is that Crypt and Dockside are so obnoxious partly because WotC has jammed the accelerator in every format with FIRE Design. Even in Limited, you could draft a set as recently as five years ago, not make a play on turn two, and the game wouldn't just be over; now, even in the "slow" sets land-go on turn two leaves you so far behind, and God help you if you lose the coin flip and you're on the draw. You need cards like Crypt and Dockside to keep up with all the silly bullshit people pull now, but they also enable the silly bullshit to happen faster and harder...the game is just getting way too fast, and it's not any one card's fault, it's the fault of the overarching design philosophy of wanting each card to do everything with no downsides. That philosophy, of course, comes from designing for Commander as the primary format: when you have three opponents, you need all your cards to pull more weight so you don't fall behind relative to the other players.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
Maybe, but returning your own stuff is also just white
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It was traditionally blue, but was given to white with things like Momentary Blink to offer white more of an identity and to play on the protection aspect as opposed to the recursion trickery of blue. In this case because the return effect isn't protecting the equipment, rather altering its state, I'd give it to blue.
 
Retink Retunk said:
It was traditionally blue, but was given to white with things like Momentary Blink to offer white more of an identity and to play on the protection aspect as opposed to the recursion trickery of blue. In this case because the return effect isn't protecting the equipment, rather altering its state, I'd give it to blue.
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They do have it in bad protection effects, but when I think about white returning things to hand I think of Kor Skyfisher in pauper, where it's a cost you build around to not be a cost at all.
 
Logistical Nightmare said:
It truly depends on the deck, but I’m sure that there’s something to replace it. Forbidden Druids would be hilarious to be the replacement, but if this is a pet deck I’m not sure you want to make a meme replacement. What’s the deck?
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>.> 5C Omnath Phyrexians *coughs* With all really good Preators including the first run *cough*

I've never said I was a good person.

Edit : RE Cap's abilities and mana Identity

Red/White is the attach/return effect because Free Equipping is a red white thing

Red/Blue is the toss an equipment for damage thing because flinging shit around is a subtheme of the izzet guild, usually it is discard but unequiping something to throw it and deal damage would be fitting on a Blue/Red Goblin card.

Edit : Can we at least appreciate that we got Black Panther art that isn't doing Wakanda Forever pose?
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Red/Blue is the toss an equipment for damage thing because flinging shit around is a subtheme of the izzet guild, usually it is discard but unequiping something to throw it and deal damage would be fitting on a Blue/Red Goblin card.
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Flings are not remotely a blue effect though, rummaging or turning card advantage into other kinds of advantage is the blue part of those cards (and it's sort of dated because rummaging would later just become a red thing)

Captain America card as written would have no one bitching about color pie breaks it it was just a boros card, the blue is just there for flavor. To earn it's blue it really needs to do something more blue like draw cards or cheat on taxes or tap/untap shit. Like it it said "tap 3 artifact equipment with cmc 3 or more: draw a card" I'd see it as something Jeskai colored without making it much much more powerful.

Also, re-reading the card you aren't even bouncing it, you're unequipping it and fucking with the status of equipment like that is mono red or mono white not remotely blue.
 
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Oddjob OTP said:
Flings are not remotely a blue effect though, rummaging or turning card advantage into other kinds of advantage is the blue part of those cards (and it's sort of dated because rummaging would later just become a red thing)
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He isn't flinging it in the sense you are using (Outright Sacrificing it for damage)

This effect is more akin to Ill-Timed Explosion and Crackle with power where You are using the Blue Part (Unattaching Equipment) to power the damage.

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lmfao this standard is busted. I haven't seen a standard this busted in awhile. This isn't even the best possible first turn hand i dont think. sitting here doing the numbers on opening hands and I have seen quite a few retarded ones thus far

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this one here may be the best possible hand with the highest probability of appearing. still running through them
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Cats said:
lmfao this standard is busted. I haven't seen a standard this busted in awhile. This isn't even the best possible first turn hand i dont think. sitting here doing the numbers on opening hands and I have seen quite a few retarded ones thus far

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this one here may be the best possible hand with the highest probability of appearing. still running through them
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Don't you love 1 block sets where we get a billion flavors of the same effect over and over again so you can literally just fill your deck with the exact same card
 
This modern Delirium list updated with Duskmourn is pretty decent. I have spent all day brewing Altanak decks and it really can fit into almost any delirium plan perfectly. Flytrap makes Jund Death's Shadow decent again, along with Patchwork Beastie (not as good as DRC but a fine delver nonetheless...and an artifact creature delirium 2x contributor if nothing else)

Here are some of what I built:

The best version so far, and by far, is RG (Edit: This has since been refined into Jund and is cleaned up a lot). The list runs extra Altanak (1-2 is the normal amount) to take advantage of Detective's Phoenix collect evidence. The final list looks a bit like this here below, but other players may want to remove a tarfire and bolt or two. The reason the tarfires are there is that you would be surprised at how often they helped me hit those 6 card types for Flytrap's "counter double" trigger. A late game shifting woodland can almost always be an 9/9 trample+haste for 5 mana.
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Jund Death's Shadow delirium has been given a very stout midrange option in Flytrap that is delirium-active 99.99% of the time and MUST be answered, or it just snowballs out of control. Even if it's by itself. Casting the new delirium creatures with Arena of Glory is a busted play.
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Flytrap has also allowed the Sultai Shadow build to finally do something new that immensely favors its more tempo-oriented nature.
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And finally, this last list looks jank as shit, but it has been performing extremely well. The Altanaks can go down by 1 and the Murktide up by 1...i forgot to update the list before taking the picture. in any case, Altanak isnt a dead card in the hand without the three Say Its Name. The land return has helped more often than I had expected, and acts as a little bit of ramp. The Murktides are stupid quick in this build. Maybe 1 or 2 Emrakul the Promised End...? idk. it will usually sit at around 8 casting cost which is probably too high but may be attainable with the extra ramp from land returns. Probably add it to the casual list.

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I've been playing and tweaking all of these lists all day long . Pretty satisfied with how they turned out but of course they can be changed to the tastes of whoever is playing them. I may have a few technically suboptimal choices for some SB selections but that is probably because these boards were decided on based on what I encountered today while playtesting.

Altanak delirium seems timmy as hell but its no joke. I doubt it will ever be tier 1, but it is solid and very consistent. The most valuable play comes from chaining a really solid start into haste casting a Fear of Missing Out or Flytrap with Arena of Glory while other critters are on board. The advantage is real. In Altanak lists the midrange game is extremely important and you can be punished for being a slowpoke if you mess up a turn. Never thought duskmourn would have so many good modern cards in it :]
 
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@Cats Have you tried the Black Overlord in those lists?

As an Enchantment Creature it counts as two for Delirium on it's own and it's a 2 mana Mulch type effect that will become a beatstick.
 
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