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Oddjob OTP said:
you're in the best color for protection for this sort of deck.
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That is still one less mana you are spending to build up storm count.

Storm being hated for being cancer with into play tutors
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Honestly the biggest "power" thing I can see her doing is Storming off with the Delve Timewarp because you can show 4 untapped lands after you cast your cantrips and look like you are gonna cast something durdly with it instead of a haymaker.

LD is almost the quaintest
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If you spend your entire hand to build up storm and then blow up lands..unless you are doing Molten Destruction or some other LD spell that deals damage as well I just don't think its all that great.

like I said if you are trying to do something funny with giving non-storm cards storm...Thousand Year Storm does it better, and Otter Ral also probably does it better given that you can build some storm count and reach for his emblem at the same time.
 
I'm shocked more people don't seem to share my visceral hatred of these crossover sets. I went to my LGS last night for some casual commander after not playing for almost five years. One of my opponents played a space marine one turn, Gandalf the next before slaming down Optimus Prime after. I felt like I just watched someone scroll through a Fortnite skin selection rather than playing a game of magic.

It's disheartening because it's all so obvious that the crossover sets are just corporate dictates to sell more and more overpowered cards while trying to grab anyone they can to increase the Wizards of the Coast brand since that is the only thing actually making money at Hasbro.
 
Trogspawn said:
I'm shocked more people don't seem to share my visceral hatred of these crossover sets. I went to my LGS last night for some casual commander after not playing for almost five years. One of my opponents played a space marine one turn, Gandalf the next before slaming down Optimus Prime after. I felt like I just watched someone scroll through a Fortnite skin selection rather than playing a game of magic.

It's disheartening because it's all so obvious that the crossover sets are just corporate dictates to sell more and more overpowered cards while trying to grab anyone they can to increase the Wizards of the Coast brand since that is the only thing actually making money at Hasbro.
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As the 4chan prophecy foretold...
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Trogspawn said:
I'm shocked more people don't seem to share my visceral hatred of these crossover sets. I went to my LGS last night for some casual commander after not playing for almost five years. One of my opponents played a space marine one turn, Gandalf the next before slaming down Optimus Prime after. I felt like I just watched someone scroll through a Fortnite skin selection rather than playing a game of magic.

It's disheartening because it's all so obvious that the crossover sets are just corporate dictates to sell more and more overpowered cards while trying to grab anyone they can to increase the Wizards of the Coast brand since that is the only thing actually making money at Hasbro.
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I've seen people complain about them but people mostly don't care, I think the only person I've met who really liked them was this one guy who built a Megatron theme deck since he really likes transformers. But mostly I think people are resigned to it existing and are willing to use the cards if they fit into what their deck is already doing.
Honestly it sucks that they exist in the first place, but it's not like there's much to do expect for wait until Hasbro dies and Wizards, or their games and IPs, get bought up my competent companies like Mattel or maybe some private investors who won't need to suck every single penny out of MTG and D&D through crossovers and cheap rushed products just to mitigate their massive losses.
 
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Trogspawn said:
I'm shocked more people don't seem to share my visceral hatred of these crossover sets
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It is because the Magic IP is functionally worthless, Major content creators, hall of fame players, world champions, i can name one that has any knowledge of the lore and even he doesn't discuss it in spoiler videos.

Magic the gatherings only value is as a game system.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
It is because the Magic IP is functionally worthless, Major content creators, hall of fame players, world champions, i can name one that has any knowledge of the lore and even he doesn't discuss it in spoiler videos.

Magic the gatherings only value is as a game system.
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I get that the Magic lore is worthless, mainly because nobody reads it but WOTC also retcons it every new set. That's less of what my problem is. MTG has always had a backing of fantasy as the core rules of the aesthetic, even phyrexia was more magical machines than actual robots. It's why all tech up till the crossovers had been steampunk/magipunk. Now though the genral fantasy underlying may as well not exist now that you have 40k and Transformers as cards that you can see across the table.
 
Trogspawn said:
I get that the Magic lore is worthless, mainly because nobody reads it but WOTC also retcons it every new set. That's less of what my problem is. MTG has always had a backing of fantasy as the core rules of the aesthetic, even phyrexia was more magical machines than actual robots. It's why all tech up till the crossovers had been steampunk/magipunk. Now though the genral fantasy underlying may as well not exist now that you have 40k and Transformers as cards that you can see across the table.
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That shit all started before Universes Beyond though, I would put the "Non Magicfication of Magic" at Battlebond if not a little earlier.

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Sure this is kind of passable as "Fantasy" art but holy shit it's low effort and doesn't really convey anything
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A couple of years earlier we had this wonderful bit of Flavor Text. The first flavor text of a Gatewatch member after the initial set is "ZOMG OH SO SNARRRKY!!!!"
Magic stopped being a serious setting because the people who were writing it stopped treating it as a serious setting, why should anyone give a shit if the people who are making it aren't taking it seriously.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Magic stopped being a serious setting because the people who were writing it stopped treating it as a serious setting, why should anyone give a shit if the people who are making it aren't taking it seriously.
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On one hand I agree and understand, but at the same time this attitude of "Oh, it's been shit for years. Who cares if it gets worse?" is the same reason every big name IP and franchise has gone to shit or even bankrupt.
 
MtG lore is shit because all corporate exercises to make a story-based franchise are doomed to failure. You need one unelected and basically unimpeachable autist with the final say in charge of lore or else your shit is doomed to fail. Japan seems to balance this iron law with big budget story franchises much better. As an example Hideo Kojima being a weird autist with weird autistic things to say is the only reason anyone gives a shit about Metal Gear and even when the he gets a big head from mocapping super model feet all day and convinces himself he's the Quentin Tarantino of games and makes shit games they are still much more memorable then anything made by a western corporation committee for a long long time.

MtG has never once had this, and as a result the setting only really works in card art and flavor text with the reader filling in the spaces. You, as a reader, are free to pick one of the books up and say it's great or mid or bad or whatever but because that was a work for hire from easily replaced artist it means fuck all for the story holistically which will very naturally become a bland and forgettable quilt. It's always been a bland and forgettable quilt, even if I did like the quilt more before they killed off the oldwalkers.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
That shit all started before Universes Beyond though, I would put the "Non Magicfication of Magic" at Battlebond if not a little earlier.

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Sure this is kind of passable as "Fantasy" art but holy shit it's low effort and doesn't really convey anything
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A couple of years earlier we had this wonderful bit of Flavor Text. The first flavor text of a Gatewatch member after the initial set is "ZOMG OH SO SNARRRKY!!!!"
Magic stopped being a serious setting because the people who were writing it stopped treating it as a serious setting, why should anyone give a shit if the people who are making it aren't taking it seriously.
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From the start, Lillania was using the gatewatch for her own ends. She never really cared about any of them, aside from maybe Jace while he was useful and Gideon after he died.
I think her oath reflects that, as the others oaths are on behalf of what they protect or the ideals they value. Even Kaya who is a sassy black woman. Swears on the grounds of upholding justice and equality.
 
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macrodegenerate said:
From the start, Lillania was using the gatewatch for her own ends. She never really cared about any of them, aside from maybe Jace while he was useful and Gideon after he died.
I think her oath reflects that, as the others oaths are on behalf of what they protect or the ideals they value. Even Kaya who is a sassy black woman. Swears on the grounds of upholding justice and equality.
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Yes which is why you don't put her in the Gatewatch in the first Storyline after it was formed, you don't ever put her in the Gatewatch itself, you have her use the fact that she knows Jace and how to push his buttons to get The Gatewatch to do a bit of her dirty work.

One of the failings of the Gatewatch idea was that 3/5 of the first members were not suited for it.
Jace was the living guildpact and should have been largely bound to Ravnica
Nissa was a fucking racist till they retconed her and she still only ever cared about Zendikar
Liliana was a minor villian.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
That shit all started before Universes Beyond though, I would put the "Non Magicfication of Magic" at Battlebond if not a little earlier.

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Sure this is kind of passable as "Fantasy" art but holy shit it's low effort and doesn't really convey anything
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I actually don't hate this piece of art or card. The effects are very much Monger related as is the mechanic of anyone giving wears or cheers to a monger, but I do think they're too positive to be a true callback. As for the art, it sucks, but I can give it a pass if it's a newer artist and most of the time when I see art like this I assume that's the case. The bigger issue should be how often it happens, it's fine if a couple cards suck because it's someone finding their footing, but I will agree with you that Battlebond had so much shit art that it's inexcusable.
 
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