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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
The last Tribal deck to see serious play was in fucking 2008.
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Are you talking about only Standard, or did you mean 2018? Because Humans (and arguably Merfolk) were both T1 decks in Modern in the late 2010s. Modern Spirits was also seeing a resurgence around the same time, and iirc stayed viable going into 2020. I dunno anything after that since the two MH sets made me bail out of Modern completely.

Meanwhile in Legacy, Elves was competitive up until around the same time period, and only became "bad" when Bowmasters hit the scene; Goblins also had a renaissance thanks to that retarded Un-card being legal. Also if you wanna stretch the definition of 'Tribal', Lands was a thing too.
 
Two by Four said:
Are you talking about only Standard, or did you mean 2018? Because Humans (and arguably Merfolk) were both T1 decks in Modern in the late 2010s. Modern Spirits was also seeing a resurgence around the same time, and iirc stayed viable going into 2020. I dunno anything after that since the two MH sets made me bail out of Modern completely.

Meanwhile in Legacy, Elves was competitive up until around the same time period, and only became "bad" when Bowmasters hit the scene; Goblins also had a renaissance thanks to that retarded Un-card being legal. Also if you wanna stretch the definition of 'Tribal', Lands was a thing too.
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I dont really think you can count humans as a tribe just because we get so many in every set.

As i said elves was already kind of on the way out, Natural Order for Progenitus is not what it used to be so the deck had no plan b.

I dont think the parts of spirits came from a dedicated block did it? It was just parts that were printed here and there over the years.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I dont really think you can count humans as a tribe just because we get so many in every set.
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It did kinda just fall into existence yeah, but its biggest pay-offs are thanks to the Human-tribal stuff in the Innistrad sets (Champ of the Parish, Thalia's Lieutenant).

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
As i said elves was already kind of on the way out, Natural Order for Progenitus is not what it used to be so the deck had no plan b.
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Vomiting out a million dudes and drawing a million cards off Glimpse of Nature, eventually hitting Craterhoof (or Natural Order/Green Suns for it) will always be decent, and it was a Tier 1 strat long after 2008.

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I dont think the parts of spirits came from a dedicated block did it? It was just parts that were printed here and there over the years.
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They picked up a new lord randomly in M19 which pushed the deck up to T1, but otherwise the key cards all come from the two Innistrad blocks.
 
I dunno, it's a really weird argument to say that tribal has been fake and gay in 60 card constructed because eternal formats don't play cards from only one set or block.
 
Two by Four said:
It did kinda just fall into existence yeah, but its biggest pay-offs are thanks to the Human-tribal stuff in the Innistrad sets (Champ of the Parish, Thalia's Lieutenant).
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Well Champion of the perish is filler (hence why Perished never took off) Thalia's Lieutenant is the real card that kept humans on top, and there arent enough coco hits to really hold the deck together anymore.

Vomiting out a million dudes and drawing a million cards off Glimpse of Nature, eventually hitting Craterhoof (or Natural Order/Green Suns for it) will always be decent, and it was a Tier 1 strat long after 2008.
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Its a decent strat that lasted until MH2 and Izzet Delver got Murktide, before then the deck could switch to Progenitus beats if Narset or Hullbreacher came down. Murktide made that race much harder to win.

Bowmasters was just the final nail.

Also like Humans, Elves get a ton of support outside tribal sets.

They picked up a new lord randomly in M19 which pushed the deck up to T1, but otherwise the key cards all come from the two Innistrad blocks.
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So another tribe that had 2 blocks of dedicated support and still needed extra.

I dunno, it's a really weird argument to say that tribal has been fake and gay in 60 card constructed because eternal formats don't play cards from only one set or block.
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My argument is less about that and more that Tribal themed blocks tend to fail to push tribes to the forefront of formats and that i have no excitement for returning to a dedicated tribal plane just to see 4/5 of the tribes fail to gain real traction.

Hell someone pointed to Azorious Solders
Last year and that deck vanished from standard without Wedding Announcement to carry it.
 
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My favorite card in magic has only gotten better after the ban, get fucked wizards.
 
B&R announcement for today:
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Absolutely wild that we’re actually seeing MH3 cards banned, I honestly thought they’d let the formats burn longer, but even without having kept up with the state of any formats this seems correct. Get ready for splinter-twin 2025 kiwis!!!!!!!1!
 
Splinter twin getting unbanned might be a shit show, i dont like win cons that come in at instant speed.

They also needed to ditch that stupid energy oblivion ring and leyline binding
 
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Wait you guys still give magic the gathering money I just buy proxies for cards I wanna play with they look exactly like the real things is someone gonna say my card that costs $130.00 is fake and want me to prove it well you can only prove it by ripping in half and the newer proxies even have all of the exact same security features
 
Logistical Nightmare said:
B&R announcement for today:
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Absolutely wild that we’re actually seeing MH3 cards banned, I honestly thought they’d let the formats burn longer, but even without having kept up with the state of any formats this seems correct. Get ready for splinter-twin 2025 kiwis!!!!!!!1!
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This is the kind of logic only WotC can deliver with a straight face: The solution to a centralized, high powered metagame is to . . . use bans/unbans to create a centralized, high powered metagame built around different cards. There has got to be a better way to manage the format.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
I'm on team "splinter twin is T2" prediction, interaction is cheap and powerful in modern and unlike against Bant Cringe Bird splinter twin doesn't draw cards for shitting on your attempts to stop it from doing the thing.
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My general worry is that it just slips in something already good.
 
Yeah, I don't think Twin is even good in the current iteration of Modern. I think Looting has a bigger chance to be a problem and the fact that they us have Mox and Urza's Saga is a little wild.
 
Maratus volans said:
Yeah, I don't think Twin is even good in the current iteration of Modern. I think Looting has a bigger chance to be a problem and the fact that they us have Mox and Urza's Saga is a little wild.
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
My general worry is that it just slips in something already good.
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Twin was always the worst to deal with when you slotted the 10-card package into an already solid shell. I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually got banned again like GGT did (btw Bridge from Below is another safe unban, even with Looting unbanned)

Artifact hate in Modern is WAY better than it used to be. The two biggest additions off the top of my head are Brotherhood's End and Meltdown. Plus if your entire mana base is artifacts you're stone cold to a Stony Silence.
My interest in different Affinity builds stems from how many variations are buildable as the primary color, though admittedly blue is probably the strongest. That being said, the MH2 artifact duals are all indestructible so your colors should be perfect.
Green? Hardened Scales, Ancient Stirrings
Blue? Simulacrum Synthesizer, Thoughtcast, Stubborn Denial, Ensoul Artifact
Red? Galvanic Blast, Ghirapur Aether Grid,
Black? Refurbished Familiar, Vault Skirge, Cranial Plating equip
White? Dispatch, Tempered Steel (lol)

Hell maybe the strongest variant is fully colorless and plays with Glaring Fleshraker and Arcbound Ravager. Idunno. It's always fun to see what people come up with after a big format shakeup.
 
DootSkeleton said:
Twin was always the worst to deal with when you slotted the 10-card package into an already solid shell.
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that is kinda what I fear, Like Dimir Murktide is the second best deck behind energy already, and we know that Murktide plays well in red too so like I can see a world where you have a Grixis Murktide deck that..can beat you in the Giant Murktide way..and has the Scam Win of "oh you tapped out? LOL end of turn Pestermite into splintertwin"
 
Sargon's wife's son said:
Wait you guys still give magic the gathering money I just buy proxies for cards I wanna play with they look exactly like the real things is someone gonna say my card that costs $130.00 is fake and want me to prove it well you can only prove it by ripping in half and the newer proxies even have all of the exact same security features
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You pay money?

I just print out a copy and sleeve it over a land.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
that is kinda what I fear, Like Dimir Murktide is the second best deck behind energy already, and we know that Murktide plays well in red too so like I can see a world where you have a Grixis Murktide deck that..can beat you in the Giant Murktide way..and has the Scam Win of "oh you tapped out? LOL end of turn Pestermite into splintertwin"
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DootSkeleton said:
Twin was always the worst to deal with when you slotted the 10-card package into an already solid shell. I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually got banned again like GGT did (btw Bridge from Below is another safe unban, even with Looting unbanned)
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You have to remember that in 2016 the best answers for Splinter Twin combo are literally unplayable cards in current modern like Abrupt Decay. Now there are tons of main deckable 0 and 1 mana instant speed answers. There might be a deck for Splinter Twin but at the minimum it will have to be built completely around protecting the combo with shit like Spellskite. Without Nadu there's no good examples of creature-based combos in current Modern, slotting Splinter Twin into existing decks is just adding 10 unplayble cards to your deck
 
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