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00R-Gundam said:
Not to sound like some asshole but if youre building a 5C deck and your mana base consists of tap lands then youre setting yourself for failure.
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Exactly what I meant and now I know better but a lot of people on the internet were very confident when they told me otherwise. There are enough decklists on the internet to give a beginner the perception that it is a good idea to put all the 2c taplands in the 5c decks or to get some shitty lands and mana rocks that no one uses. And it's not like WotC itself didn't reinforce this belief with the absolutely dogshit mana base in a 5c precon they've created a while ago.
 
SIMON THE PIEMAN said:
Exactly what I meant and now I know better but a lot of people on the internet were very confident when they told me otherwise. There are enough decklists on the internet to give a beginner the perception that it is a good idea to put all the 2c taplands in the 5c decks or to get some shitty lands and mana rocks that no one uses. And it's not like WotC itself didn't reinforce this belief with the absolutely dogshit mana base in a 5c precon they've created a while ago.
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Although i forgot Minstrel is a thing so theoretically you can now run the tap lands if you wanna go the budget version of a 5C deck.
 
If you're not remortgaging your house for commander and are for some reason forced to play a 5c commander at gun point without proxing you just lean into green mana fixing and cultivate your way to 5c. If you play some of the "forest" not "basic" tutors you can maybe justify the "forest" triomes and tapped duals.
 
00R-Gundam said:
Not to sound like some asshole but if youre building a 5C deck and your mana base consists of tap lands then youre setting yourself for failure. Youre better off just running basics at that point. I dont mind the concept of "budget" cards but most budget options are so shit that youre better off just proxying or just replace that spot with something else. When i started edh i used to look this channel called Commander Quarters or something of the like and it really ruined my perception of a budget version of a deck but his suggestion were so shit(in retrospect) that one day i said fuck it and just started to slowly just buy the staples and "expensive" cards just to avoid the "budget" pit fall.
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Yes and no.

If you are going "I'm a jam gain lands, and gates and towns" you are probably gonna be fucked.

However if you are starting with "Dominaria Typed Tapped Duals" and The Check lands (which are pennies now) you should be okayish.
 
SIMON THE PIEMAN said:
Exactly what I meant and now I know better but a lot of people on the internet were very confident when they told me otherwise. There are enough decklists on the internet to give a beginner the perception that it is a good idea to put all the 2c taplands in the 5c decks or to get some shitty lands and mana rocks that no one uses. And it's not like WotC itself didn't reinforce this belief with the absolutely dogshit mana base in a 5c precon they've created a while ago.
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It is funny because there are some budget options you can get for 5c decks that I never understood why WOTC doesn't include them. (I mean the original 5c Ur-Dragon deck did NOT have Exotic Orchid in it. Nowadays they'll include that thing in 2 color decks.)

If you go 5c tribal it's even easier nowadays.

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Yes and no.

If you are going "I'm a jam gain lands, and gates and towns" you are probably gonna be fucked.

However if you are starting with "Dominaria Typed Tapped Duals" and The Check lands (which are pennies now) you should be okayish.
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Gates got so many dumb fetches, it's trivial now to run a 5c gate deck, pull Gond Gate first thing and then just gas off like a madman.

It does make you wonder why if they wanted to encourage commander they are so stingy with the multiplayer dual lands.

(I still say they need to print more "gift a [token] land" type cards to make commander more engaging.)
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
most of it is 4 CMC though.
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No. Of the 6 options (i'm not counting 9 finger and maze's end), only 2 of them are 4 and above.

In mana cost order:
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The 2 that are 4+ mana both put two gates directly into play. But between all that and the general land tutors available now, it's incredibly easy to get gates up and running.
 
Flexo said:
Just like the One Ring is not playable eh?
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You keep bringing that up like some kind of own.

Haven't there been those sort of cards since Onslaught?
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They weren't nearly as good, like even generous Ent is kinda meh compared to Balnab Trex

Also it was a long time between Scourge and Alara.

We had these sorts of creatures in LOTR, MOM, Ixalan, Duskmourne and Final Fantasy in the past few years.
 
Ent and troll cycling for 1 mana make them way better than the dinosaur, and the main reason ent wasn't a limited menace was because green was nigh-unplayable in LOTR unless you opened radagast (and even then)

Older landcyclers, like the ones in alara block, were almost totally unplayable because the front-side was pretty trash. The issue in FF limited is mostly just that the white cycler is leagues worse than all of the other ones
 
SIMON THE PIEMAN said:
There's also tons of people giving terrible advice. The worst is probably the trend of "budget" cards where most of the cards proposed are usually pretty bad or subpar at best. The example I hate the most - because I fell for it - was the idea of a budget WUBRG mana base. In my experience it is simply not possible to build something that is both cheap and works well, yet the internet is full of people telling you to cram in some $0.23 lands and mana rocks into your deck that no one actually uses. I ended up with a pile of crap that was consistently missing one or even two colors in play. I just wanted to cast some huge dragons and hit people in the face.
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00R-Gundam said:
Not to sound like some asshole but if youre building a 5C deck and your mana base consists of tap lands then youre setting yourself for failure. Youre better off just running basics at that point. I dont mind the concept of "budget" cards but most budget options are so shit that youre better off just proxying or just replace that spot with something else. When i started edh i used to look this channel called Commander Quarters or something of the like and it really ruined my perception of a budget version of a deck but his suggestion were so shit(in retrospect) that one day i said fuck it and just started to slowly just buy the staples and "expensive" cards just to avoid the "budget" pit fall.
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Nobody who's played the game for more than a year will care if you proxy duals. At this point, I outright encourage newbies to start proxying after their first deck.
 
Monolith said:
Nobody who's played the game for more than a year will care if you proxy duals. At this point, I outright encourage newbies to start proxying after their first deck.
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I'd go further than that. When I introduce people to magic, I pretty much insist they use proxies rather than spend a dollar on WOTC. It's one of the good things to come out of EDH.
I personally have hit a point where I only spend money on FNM drafts, and proxy all decks I play otherwise.

Perhaps unrelated, but I'm curious of anyone in the thread still trades at their LGS. Although I don't buy singles or packs, I actively trade for expensive/funny cards just to have them. Is it a dead art?
 
stonky said:
Perhaps unrelated, but I'm curious of anyone in the thread still trades at their LGS. Although I don't buy singles or packs, I actively trade for expensive/funny cards just to have them. Is it a dead art?
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I used to keep a binder of decent trades, but the majority of people that came to FNM at my LGS were there for canadian highlander or draft, so it was hit or miss if anyone had anything. Draft players mostly had draft bulk and shit from their prize pools (there were a few whale players that did have tons of commander viable stuff), and canlander players tended to have better trades but didn't need or want things reasonable to have (Who the fuck brings an uncommon from a commander deck precon that wasn't a staple as part of their trade binder)
Times I could make a deal was peak tho, I did manage to get my hands on a bunch of foreign old boarder foils. It's a dead art depending on the types of players that attend your LGS.
 
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