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Billy the Adult said:
I always thought that was the initial point of Secret Lair, something they can sell that theoretically can't lose money. But I guess long shipping times and not fully accommodating scalpers/FOMO wasn't making enough.
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The Chucky and Ghostbusters lairs failed, so now they throw chase cards in to encourage people to max out their orders on even the shittiest lairs.

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These are the chase cards that randomly appear in one out of every six packs of the Sonic secret lairs. Gotta catch 'em all!
 
I've been looking into making a creature-based Raffine commander deck. The unorthodox color-combo is the thing that interest me the most about it but what creatures should I put to take advantage of the discard/graveyard synergy? I'm already play orzhov colors plenty so I am familiar with the staples in those colors but I'm not a blue player so I don't know how to take advantage of that outside of looking at that EDHrec recommends.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
These are the chase cards that randomly appear in one out of every six packs of the Sonic secret lairs. Gotta catch 'em all!
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Shit like this is why I just buy proxies from the Chinese now. If they want to continue with their slop-practices, I'm gonna pay slop-pricing. The print quality isn't that different from the real stock anyway.
 
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Lancers said:
I've been looking into making a creature-based Raffine commander deck. The unorthodox color-combo is the thing that interest me the most about it but what creatures should I put to take advantage of the discard/graveyard synergy? I'm already play orzhov colors plenty so I am familiar with the staples in those colors but I'm not a blue player so I don't know how to take advantage of that outside of looking at that EDHrec recommends.
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You should first tell us which lane you're interested in; creature based Raffine decks can be filled with unblockable/evasive shit you pump, just good old aristocrats shit that recurs itself for value, or you can use him to find and dump reanimation targets into the graveyard to reanimate though other means.

Also don't triple post, use multiquote or go back and edit your post.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
You should first tell us which lane you're interested in; creature based Raffine decks can be filled with unblockable/evasive shit you pump, just good old aristocrats shit that recurs itself for value, or you can use him to find and dump reanimation targets into the graveyard to reanimate though other means.

Also don't triple post, use multiquote or go back and edit your post.
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I deleted my first post for that reason, didn't see it was old. My bad.

I'm mainly focusing on reanimation, I've never built a deck around it so I'm looking into interesting creatures to cheat from the graveyard at the moment.
 
Lancers said:
I deleted my first post for that reason, didn't see it was old. My bad.

I'm mainly focusing on reanimation, I've never built a deck around it so I'm looking into interesting creatures to cheat from the graveyard at the moment.
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Basically anything that generates immediate value or is difficult to deal with. Reanimation is all about maximizing bang-for-buck. Look at the past couple years of reanimator in Standard, they're hitting targets like Atraxa, Big Nigga Valgavoth, MOM Etali, etc. I personally recommend Sepulchral Primordial because reanimating a dude and then stealing three other dudes feels great.
 
Love Machine said:
That slop post making the rounds the magic twitter is pretty funny. Its amazing how fucking mad commander players get and UB enjoyers(fucking normies), and this is someone from the outside looking in.

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I saw this post commenting on the slop post that, while making a fair point, majorly missed the primary point of the slop post:
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First, I think he equates EDH to Kitchen Table when they're very different. Really they're only comparable in the sense that they're both intended as casual formats.
Second, I absolutely believe that EDH is the main factor in keeping MTG-focused brick-and-mortar LGSs open.
Main point: though WOTC supporting the most popular format isn't inherently a problem, the way in which they are supporting it is most definitely a problem. I expect WOTC to put some EDH cards in sets when it's the biggest format. I don't like it, but they're a business and need to make money. Where I take issue is with the quantity and the quality. When the roadmap for 2026 shows more UB sets than MTG sets, it's a problem. The list of cards that were explicitly designed with EDH in mind that fucked up competitive formats is longer than most people realize and I have no reason to believe it will not continue to grow. They either need to hire more designers or slow the fuck down with their release schedule to test things more thoroughly so we don't get another Nadu, Hogaak, or Vivi. I know blaming Hasbro is a meme and is largely misused (Hasbro bought MTG in September of 1999 and MTG was fine for about ~20 years after that), but in this case I think it's appropriate, since WOTC is basically the only thing keeping Hasbro afloat nowadays.

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If you've ever pondered whether gatekeeping is good or bad, I'm here to tell you it's good and these commenters are why:
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This guy is a LITERAL TRANIME STEREOTYPE and I would make a point to complain to the store owner if I saw his ghoulish visage in the same room as me.
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This guy effectively admitting he is a certified slop lover™ and is emblematic of why we will continue to get more UB than traditional MTG
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And this guy. This guy is a perfect example of why you need some level of gatekeeping. Completely misses the point the slop post made of how a game's evolution is not always positive.
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No matter how many playtesters you get. youll never be able to perfectly balance having "commander cards" and "standard cards" in the same set. Its a gap thats too far to bridge. Might as well be 2 completely different games.
 
DootSkeleton said:
Second, I absolutely believe that EDH is the main factor in keeping MTG-focused brick-and-mortar LGSs open.
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Possible, but I'm not to sure about that. Draft I'd believe the most, since you have to pay each time obviously. Competitive players are fine with paying for an event, especially with prizes. For commander, you've got the people who will buy boxes of a set they want or they'll buy singles. Otherwise they'll likely come in for weeks at a time without paying. I guess you could have them pay to be there, but that's at best them donating to the store, since I'd like to think most are smart enough to not play commander for prizes. I'd imagine its very feast or famine, which I guess is fitting since UB seems like its also feast or famine.
Love Machine said:
No matter how many playtesters you get. youll never be able to perfectly balance having "commander cards" and "standard cards" in the same set. Its a gap thats too far to bridge. Might as well be 2 completely different games.
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Essentially making cards for standard and legacy in the same set. Although, at least in theory, commander players don't care about power so I'm not sure why they push the cards so much. I don't think commander players would have been that upset if Vivi costed 4 or 5 instead for example.
 
Billy the Adult said:
Possible, but I'm not to sure about that. Draft I'd believe the most, since you have to pay each time obviously. Competitive players are fine with paying for an event, especially with prizes.
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The vast majority of LGSes I've seen have dropped draft entirely from their schedules. It was trending in that direction pre-COVID, but especially since then paper draft has been dead. Amusingly, Final Fantasy has (somewhat) revived demand for paper drafts in my area, but...
Billy the Adult said:
For commander, you've got the people who will buy boxes of a set they want or they'll buy singles. Otherwise they'll likely come in for weeks at a time without paying.
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...Commander drives most of the sales and uses most of the play space. One thing competitive players underestimate is how much money casual players will spend on the game over the long term, even if their individual purchases are all small. Slight power level, but I worked at an LGS as "the Magic guy" when I was in college and you would see casual players come in fairly regularly and drop $10-$15 trying to flesh out this or that deck idea. Anecdotally, EDH has been a godsend for stores with a deep back catalog of random post-Standard cards since most of them are too weak for Modern or other big Constructed formats but will occasionally see demand from Commander players.
 
Love Machine said:
No matter how many playtesters you get. youll never be able to perfectly balance having "commander cards" and "standard cards" in the same set. Its a gap thats too far to bridge. Might as well be 2 completely different games.
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If only they had a reasonable solution to this problem like a supplementary set of commander cards for each and every set to put their commander cards in or releasing cards in premade commander decks themed for each set; nope better print commander cards into standard for decks and archetypes that don't exist and hope no one figures out how to make them work anyway.
 
How the fuck are there card packs costing 100$? I saw some retard arguing about tariffs or some shit but it's literal cardboard.

Also are the card values in all the unboxing videos real? I can understand some retarded pricing for a 20 year old cards, but dozens of dollars for some Final Fantasy crossover card is insane, sounds like the usual case of a market of scalpers keeping cost high for the occasional sucker.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
usual case of a market of scalpers keeping cost high for the occasional sucker
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It's more than that. Wizards wanted a piece of that pie, and so made collector boosters cost even more ridiculous than it was at the inception. This cost is offloaded to scalpers and "investors", who gamble on being able to offload it onto end-point customer or some other sucker.
 
On the official Magic the Gathering reddit, I posted the story about the guy getting banned for wearing a MAGA hat and got a 30 day ban because it was considered a political post.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
How the fuck are there card packs costing 100$? I saw some retard arguing about tariffs or some shit but it's literal cardboard.

Also are the card values in all the unboxing videos real? I can understand some retarded pricing for a 20 year old cards, but dozens of dollars for some Final Fantasy crossover card is insane, sounds like the usual case of a market of scalpers keeping cost high for the occasional sucker.
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Those are collector boosters which are different than a normal pack of cards they have special treatments and artwork for whales/collectors to chase.
 
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