Disaster Man arrested after shouting ‘womp, womp’ and pulling a gun on immigration protesters - Womp womp, what it do

Washington Post said:
The gathering at a park gazebo in Huntsville, Ala., was by no means the largest of Saturday’s nationwide protests against President Trump’s “zero tolerance” border policies, though it was memorable for other reasons.

It began around noon, as an Episcopalian priest delivered a prayer to about 100 protesters gathered around the gazebo and a man marched back and forth in front of her, shouting “womp, womp!”

“Holy and ever-loving God . . .” said the priest, Kerry Holder-Joffrion.

“Womp, womp!” said the man.

“We pray for the children of this nation and all nations . . .”

“WOMP, WOMP!”

The man was parroting former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, who had uttered the same sound on Fox News several days earlier during a discussion about migrant children being seized from their parents at the border. Lewandowski’s sarcastic “womp, womp” revolted many people — but also apparently inspired a certain segment of Trump’s supporters, as the people at Big Spring Park were now discovering.

“We offer your love to all of our children . . .” Holder-Joffrion continued.

“Womp, womp!”

This was not the man’s only message. He held a sign above his head on which was written “ICE ICE Baby,” and he occasionally shout-sang the notes of a hip-hop song by the same name over the prayer.

The man had a handgun tucked in his cargo pants, according to police.

After he had disrupted the first half of Holder-Joffrion’s prayer, a few protesters began drifting away from the audience to confront the man. A woman paced backward in front of him, holding her own sign in his face as he marched forward — “Super Callous Racist Fascist Sexist Braggadocious.”

“Where are your ancestors from?” someone asked the man.

“Alabama!” he answered.

Holder-Joffrion felt her stomach tighten but made up her mind to finish the prayer.

“I didn’t open my eyes, so that I could stay focused,” she told The Washington Post. “My voice gained volume as it became more chaotic.”

In fact, she nearly shouted her remaining verses, cheered on by the crowd while the man continued to shout in the background.

“We ask that you give us the strength in the face of the opposition not to hate, but to love,” Holder-Joffrion said, the lines coming to her in the moment. “Prayer is stronger than hatred!”

It was around this point that the gun came out.

A Huntsville police spokesman said the man — identified as 34-year-old Shane Ryan Sealy — pushed one of the protesters, who pushed him back and knocked him to the ground, at which point Sealy allegedly produced the weapon.

Holder-Joffrion still had her eyes closed, and she said her husband, Democratic congressional candidate Peter Joffrion, didn’t see a scuffle — just a protester telling Sealy to “leave, leave, leave, leave.”

In any case, the weapon came out of the waistband.

“Gun, gun, gun, gun!” someone shouted in video published by WAFF 48 — just as Holder-Joffrion was praying for the nation’s strength.

Panicked shouts drowned her out, and the camera turned from the priest to Sealy, about 15 feet from the gazebo, brandishing what appeared to be a pistol at the crowd.

Most people dropped. “I got down on my face on the other side of the gazebo right here and just cried, I was so in shock,” rally organizer Ava Caldwell told WBTV.

But several protesters remained upright. One man pointed directly at Sealy, shouting warnings that the man was armed.

Holder-Joffrion said she remained standing under the gazebo, eyes still shut in concentration, determined to finish her prayer no matter what happened.

The video shows Sealy putting the gun back in his waistband and backing away from the crowd, then turning around and walking quickly in the opposite direction.

Of the few protesters who followed him, most did so with obvious caution — one man still holding his “Brown People Are Still People” sign as he watched Sealy go.

But a white-haired man nearly sprinted in pursuit, tossing his cap to the ground as he chased Sealy toward a tree line.

Sealy didn’t make it that far. A police cruiser soon rolled across the grass to meet him, and then a second car approached from his left.

He put his hands up, still holding his “ICE ICE Baby” sign. A former high school teacher, according to AL.com, he was initially arrested for possessing a gun within 1,000 feet of a protest. But he would later be booked into jail on misdemeanor charges of menacing and reckless endangerment.

Holder-Joffrion had her eyes closed through most of the action. She said she remained under the gazebo, continuing her prayer through to “Amen.”

When she finally opened her eyes, she looked across the park and saw about half a dozen police officers standing over Sealy.

“I realized they’d been among us in the crowd all along,” she said.

All around her, people were shaking, crying and getting up from the ground. A young girl who had been scheduled to speak later in the rally was too traumatized to get the words out, Holder-Joffrion said.

Still, the protest went on. Holder-Joffrion said a pastor delivered a second prayer immediately after hers — this one in Spanish.
By the way, this is him:
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No it isn't. You do not pull a gun in a fistfight. That's not how the law works you fucking exceptional individual.
If I was knocked on my back and a guy was coming at me I'd pull a gun. If it's not legal, I still don't care. It's not a boxing match, you don't know what the other guy is gonna do, and I'd rather be arrested than curb stomped.
 
So sensationalist headline, shitty writing, and hurt feels aside....did he even do anything illegal, much less anything wrong? Sounds like there was an altercation, he pulled his gun, everyone backed off, he put his gun back in his pants and left.

Reading between the lines it sounded like there was a fight breaking out. Pulling a gun is justified if you think you're about to get your ass beat.

Whether or not he's convicted will depend on his ability to articulate that he felt his life was sufficiently in danger to justify the use or threatened use of deadly force. Which, judging by how articulate he was in the video, seems unlikely.

Generally speaking, self defense doesn't fly as an excuse for brandishing a gun in a shoving match you instigated.
 
No it isn't. You do not pull a gun in a fistfight. That's not how the law works you fucking exceptional individual.
you of all people should know that laws vary by states, and most states have no requirement for reciprocal force, or even a requirement to retreat from an attack. a crowd against one guy is one such situation where multiple unarmed assailants can easily overpower and brutalize or kill someone who is alone.

however from what i've been able to read on this particular incident, the guy was only threatened and menaced - not in immediate danger; ergo he wasn't obviously in immediate danger of death or great bodily injury and had very questionable reason to draw. if someone in the crowd lay hands on him or started at him with a crowbar or something we'd be seeing this a different way maybe.
 
So sensationalist headline, shitty writing, and hurt feels aside....did he even do anything illegal, much less anything wrong? Sounds like there was an altercation, he pulled his gun, everyone backed off, he put his gun back in his pants and left.

He pushed someone (assault), who then pushed him back (which even a completely incompetent attorney could get dismissed as self-defense as long as the initial push had been established), at which point he drew his gun. Assuming this is an accurate representation of what happened, he was absolutely in the wrong since he initiated the physical confrontation and deserves to cop a misdemeanor out of it so that maybe he learns to not be such a dumb fuck in the future, but I'm mainly glad cooler heads prevailed and he withdrew instead of escalating further.
 
I know the article quotes a guy saying he started it, and he does seem like an exceptional individual, but at the same time, given the source I'm not convinced he started it without video.
1. We do have video. It's literally on the previous page. You can't see the gun part, sure, but he clearly wasn't dragged in front of the crowd and forced into a confrontation.

2. I'd argue the fact that he went -armed- to a protest held by his political opponents and immediately began attempting to disrupt the proceedings is sufficient proof that he was intending to provoke a reaction.
 
you of all people should know that laws vary by states, and most states have no requirement for reciprocal force, or even a requirement to retreat from an attack.

It doesn't work that way in any state. Not even Texas, and that's my usual go-to for "yep it was legally okay for this guy to pull a gun."

2. I'd argue the fact that he went -armed- to a protest held by his political opponents and immediately began attempting to disrupt the proceedings is sufficient proof that he was intending to provoke a reaction.

This is also what generally defeats a self-defense claim. When you started the altercation, you don't get to claim that the altercation you started yourself was your justification for the illegal act you then committed.
 
He pushed someone (assault), who then pushed him back ... at which point he drew his gun.
assuming he started the physical altercation, he is 100% in the wrong. someone pushing you back, even very forcefully is not grounds for introducing a deadly weapon to a fight. a firearm (or things that are genuinely believed to be firearms and treated as such) is always a deadly weapon and self defense laws generally only allow legal self defense to prevent a forcible felony on yourself or others.

guy needs to get jailed for a time for brandishing.

It doesn't work that way in any state. Not even Texas, and that's my usual go-to for "yep it was legally okay for this guy to pull a gun."

let's use your example:

https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-9-31.html

nothing in there about any sort of excessive force, which is usually a policy applied to police forces on what sort of force they can use in the course of their duties. some states do have it codified into law though, i think Maryland is one.

however, in a trial, it's very bad optics to show excessive force was used in a citizen involved shooting where the defendant used a firearm against a pair of unarmed assailants. it can be argued that being out numbered by attacking assailants requires some amount of "leveling the playing field". likewise a judge or jury is unlikely to support a defendant of a self defense shooting if the immediate danger has already passed - like shooting an attacker that is fleeing.

from the incident in the OP, the guy was outnumbered and probably showed up to be a heckler and was emboldened by being armed - it is moment that he laid hands on someone else - that is when he forfeited any sort of legal defense for an escalation from there. in virtually every state there is no self defense protection codified (or even implied) that an assailant can "defend" against his victim.

the dude should be jailed in this particular instance.

my early posts were meant to show that when someone is outnumbered and facing immediate danger, even from unarmed assailants (a "fist-fight"), that the use of a firearm by the victim can quite easily be justified. remember the old FBI 21-foot rule? all bets are off when you're in a fight to survive to see the next day, and people are pretty fragile to blows to the head.

like, i was only LEO for 4 years, and am just a reserve officer now. i don't have very much formal legal training, but that's how it was all explained to me and how i see it work in multiple states.
 
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The man was parroting former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, who had uttered the same sound on Fox News several days earlier during a discussion about migrant children being seized from their parents at the border. Lewandowski’s sarcastic “womp, womp” revolted many people — but also apparently inspired a certain segment of Trump’s supporters, as the people at Big Spring Park were now discovering.
COREY LEWANDOWSKI MUST APOLOGIZE! JOURNALISTS OF THE WORLD, ASSEMBLE!
 
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1. We do have video. It's literally on the previous page. You can't see the gun part, sure, but he clearly wasn't dragged in front of the crowd and forced into a confrontation.
That's kind of the important part to have video of though. Given the source for the story is the washington post I'm skeptical to just buy the version of events presented there. Yes, the guy was being retarded but that's kind of par for the course at protests and counter protests.

Your second point gets into a much murkier area, granted.

You do not deserve to have a gun.
You know fist fights don't work like on TV right? You don't just get hit in the head and wake up five minutes later with a headache.
 
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I know the article quotes a guy saying he started it, and he does seem like an exceptional individual, but at the same time, given the source I'm not convinced he started it without video.

Yeah this. I'm willing to guess he was responsible for the shoving match or at least it wasn't a serious shoving match, but if he wasn't the one who started it and he was and is able to clearly articulate how people attacked him in such a way that he felt he may receive grievous bodily harm (keep in mind a good punch to the head can kill you and can easily fuck you up permanently), then he may get off.

To people saying you should never pull a gun in a fistfight, are you retarded? Even one vs one a good hit or kick can kill or give you brain damage. Don't get in fights, attempt to get away from the situation, but if someone tries to hurt you use maximum force to end the threat to you as quickly as possible with the least risk to yourself. Not gonna get stabbed or curb stomped by some dude who isn't as "nice" as I am. Not gonna lose my teeth either. Everyone who thinks there is some kind of honor in a street fight is either quite young and hasn't seen one go wrong or never really fought to begin with.
 
It doesn't work that way in any state. Not even Texas, and that's my usual go-to for "yep it was legally okay for this guy to pull a gun."



This is also what generally defeats a self-defense claim. When you started the altercation, you don't get to claim that the altercation you started yourself was your justification for the illegal act you then committed.
Fuck the legalities for a second.
You gonna exceptionally walk up to people to start an altercation then when they retaliate because your dumbass wants to act exceptional, you wanna pull out a gun? That's some fairy pussy shit there. The only scenario where a gun should be needed is if you have to stop someone who's in the process or about to start committing harm. This is just some harmless lefttrards that want to have a prayer in a park.
 
Fuck the legalities for a second.
That's some fairy pussy shit there.
We need an internet tough guy rating.

This is just some harmless lefttrards that want to have a prayer in a park.
Well that's the question isn't it? If it is and he started it than neckbeard is in the wrong. But given how obnoxious he is and how people have been behaving in protests lately I also wouldn't be surprised if he was assaulted in which case he would be justified (morally, if not legally) in pulling a gun as a deterrent.
 
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