Ah, the ride never ends.
Are you seriously comparing a society with some female rulers, all of who depended on men and were succeded my men, with female suffrage? Wow.
Well, you are doing it the entire time, when you lust for some romanticised version of Ancient Rome and the great society they had back then, so what's wrong with that? The question why women's suffrage is inherntly bad (which doesn't exclude males from participation in politics, by the way) still remains unanswered.
Of course there wasn't, since Republic was sane
What happened then (and please be a bit more wordy than "liberalism happened", I'll explain to you why below)
But Empire wasn't and would have given it, had it been a democracy
Again, there is absolutely zero evidence that something like this might have happened. You are jumping to conclusions because you equate "downfall" with "liberalism".
They want a right to cheat on their husband and be paid and protected by the govt to do so.
All women? Even explicitly conservative ones who think a woman's main task should be running the household and raising the children? And as far as I know, every worker is protected by government and legislature to a certain degree, regardless of their sex. So why is this something that outrageous?
There was no reason for women to stay in the workforce.
Well, you brought up one major argument for that yourself: Both partners working actually means more income. Other than that geriatric care has been professionalised and elderly are no longer reliant on a family member always being within reach, mass production of devices that facilitate doing chores, an overall a higher standard of living and most importantly (it's probably not convincing to you though) the choice of the woman herself to stay in the workforce.
What I call liberalism is really progressivism today.
Oh for fuck's sake, replacing one meaningless buzzword with another one isn't going to help anybody here. Now listen: every political belief/ideology is the product of a certain time and its specific social, economic and cultural circumstances. As such, the categories they use are reliant on those circumstances (socialism and its use of the term "classes", overall post-Enlightenment political theory and its use of the term "reason" (as opposed to "cosmos" or "God")).
Now every one of these terms is ideologically charged, but you can still use them for your own worldview if you use them in a purely descriptive manner (which is why "classes" has become an established term). Now, the way you use the "term" liberalism" is completely devoid of any concrete reference to historical circumstances and is pretty much just a different way to pass judgement on a certain development in history that you don't seem to like. Your "liberalism" is pretty much Iconoclast's "change", useful for you maybe in order to find some ominous root of all evil, not very useful in discussions though.
I made a mistake there. Shouldn't have been "late Ancient Greek philosophers"
So who did you mean?
mass rape and destruction of sane,intelligent people not good enough for you?
Please don't expect me to read all of that. Copy the passages that prove that acknowledging female personhood automatically leads to mass rape and destruction and I'm more than willing to commentate on that.
What? What does this have to do?
I just loved the word "quality" when you described human beings, but I'm not going to start a discussion about pedagogics here.
Seducers were always stupid human vermin who can't even hold a job, EVEN IF IT WOULD WANT TO
You claim that the vast majority of males are seducers and then you say that they can't even hold a job? A bit strange, don't you think? The economy would be in a worse shape than it is today, if that were the case.
And by the way: I thought the rise of the seducers was tied to the rise of feminism. But now it seems that there has always been a majority of heartless seducers raping left and right and a few remaining nice guy providers longing for their sweethearts.
It does. Research has shown this lately.
Could you provide us with a link?