Marketing has ruined everything - Just rant about marketing and bullshitness general

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Too tired for a whole rant but,

Being successful is no longer about making a good product. It's all about paying companies to spread the word and pushing 1000s of positive reviews.

It's impossible to stay relevant when millions of dollars get spend overshadowing the thing with the newest great thing.
 
It wasn't like this before globalization.

It legit felt that when you made a product you competed at country level, not against megacorporations and their slave labor and venture investors.
 
Cheer up. If there's one side to aggressive advertising, it's that you know exactly which companies to avoid.

For example, if a YouTuber shills a product, you know the product is shit because the company couldn't make it on their own and needed an influencer who happily parrots whatever script the company puts in front of them.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Today we have a wide range of Chinese products to choose from, with their own Chinese knockoffs, reviewed by bots.
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It's funny that China's industry has developed enough for there to actually be decent name brands, but China's years of not giving a shit about western ip law has shot them in the foot and their own companies suffer from the same issue as those being manufactured for overseas companies.
 
I think tiredposting is acceptable these days.

And it isn't just marketing, it's mass everything. Actual effectiveness/competency/trustworthiness has fallen by the wayside and been replaced by social games, that's been advancing for a while at this point in almost every sector of society. That's globalization for you.

If you're just a regular small business or w/e, I'm guessing you'll need to start thinking of ways you can provide service the corporations can't, and that's going to involve focusing a little more small time and local, especially depending on what your product actually is. There may be supply chain issues helping local businesses and tradesmen at this point, but that will only do so much.

Thankfully there's also seemingly been a rise in what I'd call neighborhood based social media apps?
For example there's this thing called Nextdoor where people are grouped by neighborhoods in order to talk about local events, buying/selling/reviews, issues related to crime, here's a blurb from Wikipedia proving that progressive types hate it, and thus that it's a good thing:
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I'm cautious to approve of anything that involves communication through computers, but I hope that kind of thing becomes more popular in the future, because it seems like a nice compromise where people can get information from actual people.
 
In the words of the prophet Dilbert: "Marketing is only legal because it doesn't work 90% of the time."
 
Old news. The corruption of capitalism happened right when companies realized they can make more money by inventing and convincing people of needs they didn't actually need.
 
Modern advertising/marketing is a societal cancer.

Edward Bernays changed the world forever for the worse, but in his defence someone else would have figured it out if he didn’t. Read up on him if you want to know how we got here.
 
Toolbox said:
It's funny that China's industry has developed enough for there to actually be decent name brands, but China's years of not giving a shit about western ip law has shot them in the foot and their own companies suffer from the same issue as those being manufactured for overseas companies.
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Nothing to do with their lack of ip, everything to do with their culture of half-assing it and cutting costs.

You see, in Communist China, if someone offered you a low price, and you negotiate it lower, you will get a faulty, shitty product.

The problem is way deeper and more complex, but you will get a shitty product because they don't care.
 
Gender: Xenomorph said:
Nothing to do with their lack of ip, everything to do with their culture of half-assing it and cutting costs.
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If you want to go deep dive. The Chinese care more about $5 in their pocket today than $10 tomorrow. There's no loyalty or relationship building beyond buying you a nice dinner, getting you drunk and paying for the hooker just to get the PO (Purchase Order).

The other side of the coin is overseas companies doing business with China absolutely crushing them on price because some old fart in product development thinks it's still the 90's and they can get whatever they want for peanuts (While being bribed with dinner/beer/hookers). Also they are completely spineless standing up to retailers who demand a price point for said product so the kick that down the line to make the Chinese companies take the hit.

Somethings got to give and it's the quality of the product put into the container and by the time they find out, it's too late.


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While Marketing is cancer, in the end of the day the biggest issue in product quality are male laziness and women both working full time and being retarded.

The former means that men will just buy the same products they always did irregardless of how much the creators shit on him, while being wary of investigating better products. They'll buy the goyslop since they were raised on it and it reminds them of better time.
The latter is major because marketing firms realised women will waste far more of their money rather than daring to save for the future, and will care more for social trends than quality.

The end result is things like modern Marvel products that shits on the original male audience and promotes trannies and niggers, yet still makes billions.
 
I think that's overstating the role of marketing, it can help promote a product considerably but if the product itself is bad it won't save you or allow you to get an edge on your competitors. People wise up pretty quickly after the first time they get fooled and repairing a damaged reputation is tough. All the marketing in the world couldn't save Fyre Festival, Solyndra, Juicero or Theranos (among many others).

The root problem IMO is this is not a time when markets are working properly. There is still enormous malinvestment from artificially low interest rates and money supply expansion which means a lot of businesses that couldn't survive under more normal conditions continue to chug along. Sort of like the zombie firms in Japan that have bogged down that country's economy for decades.

You're starting to see this get flushed out with the rise in interest rates but it will take time.
 
If you ever debate things with any kind of radical, put this to them.

The hippies used to say "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised." That is 100% false. However the revolution will not be inspired by podcasters and streamers pushing products that they pretend they personally use.

The content we consume - scripted, news, podcasts, social media posts etc. is 80% funded by advertising indirectly. We sold our soles to be sold overpriced crap.
 
Dandelion Eyes said:
More like capitalism working as intended, lmao.
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Nope. There's a lot of anti-monopoly and anti-free market that are broken. US was never "true capitalism" because it had measures to keep these in check.

When these are not kept in check, you can see what happens...

The "capitalism means trade without regulation" is a communist myth.
 
One of the few things I genuinely learned in college was about marketing. For the longest time I always wondered why so many car commercials had absolutely nothing to do trying to sell you a car.

Took a basic marketing course to fulfill a requirement and I learned why. Its very common for people to have regret after making large purchases like a car, and thas a problem with modern consumer protection laws. A lot of the car commercials you see are simply to put people minds at ease after theyve purchased a car and have those regrets.

That faulty logic + advent of social media/internet = the horror show we experience today
Gender: Xenomorph said:
The "capitalism means trade without regulation" is a communist myth.
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Right? Even the most "free" economic environments on this planet heavily restrict their economies with ip/trade laws, currency laws and a endless slew of basic government oversight.

Communist did do a wonderful job with the propaganda though. Blaming every single failing in free market systems on "capitalism" when the reality is of course its always the fault of government regulation. Its greedy corporations fault why insulin cost $200/vial(or wtf the retarded cost is), it has nothing to do with the incredible amount of government regulation that give defacto monopolies on every drug in existence.
 
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