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I think sadly with Spidey you HAVE to show or go around Uncle Ben's death because it is such a core part of his identity. I even did not mind it tbh when Aunt May did it instead because it took a creative risk and bar the nostalgia bait that film still slaps. I honestly rank Now Way Home with Winter Soldier. It is one of the Marvel films I watch annually and still love it. I did like that Garfield's Spidey also got his story to go full circle too. I do put Infinity War on that list too because that movie still slaps, it's just a shame because Endgame was just not on par. It was not bad just it failed to carry the momentum.

So question; when Cap 4 bombs do you think they are going to do emergency reshoots with Fantastic 4 weaving RDJ Doom into it more? The level of cost to those reshoots would be insane because they have to give RDJ a huge amount.
If we were trying to be accurate for THE CURRENT YEAR then Uncle Ben would be an Uber drive shot in the back of the head by a nigger in the backseat trying to rob him, or a postal worker stabbed to death by a Venezuelan migrant who had been deported multiple times.
 
So I had some free time and watched the new Spider-Man and man this is the most mid shit

Pros:

- Voice Acting is actually pretty decent so no performances are really bad.

- It's a little nice they show Spider-Man at least doing heroic actions that aren't just fighting bad guys, it feels like most superhero media nowadays really doesn't do this.

- Animation is fluid in action sequences I guess

- So far the supporting cast is okay like there's no one really annoying. There's problems with them but it's more on how some look and which marvel characters they're supposed to be but at least they aren't rushing to Peter being pals with other heroes yet.

Neutral:

- They genderbent and race swapped Curt Connors. Curious how they are going to handle the Lizard and honestly meh with this since all that is needed with Connors is to have one arm and be a scientist.

Cons:

- The intro is a really annoying rap remix that feels like it doesn't fit the tone of the show.

- The attempt at emulating the 60s comic style really doesn't mesh well with 3D animation

- For some reason there are side characters who are set up to be other Marvel characters like Asian Hulk, a girl from Wakanda, a Fantastic Four villain, and hell Peter's best friend is set up to be another superhero. There's also more Marvel heroes set up to come based on the promotional material and the show referencing Hawkeye, Iron Man, and Captain America too.

- The raceswapping of the Osborns feels weird since as I said many times, Norman is a character that has to be white, like I don't know why they did it, but the voice actor they have for him does a decent job but his character so far is just the same role as MCU Tony Stark. Harry also is in like one scene where he's chased by random thugs for no reason, he doesn't even seem to know Peter which feels weird to not have.

- Animation for background characters is noticeably stilted and certain shots are clearly still like for the tv channels.

- The whole Dr. Strange and Symbiote thing feels pointless. Like no one ever is freaked out about it later and is just there to remind audiences they exist for some reason. But Peter gets his powers because a random spider happened to be descending from a portal.

- There's an immediate timeskip after Peter gets his bite and he's suddenly Spider-Man, like the first 5 minutes show him going to school before he was Spider-Man but Uncle Ben is dead already and all we know is Peter is sad about it. Could've saved time to at least give Peter more scenes since most of episode 1 is more focused on side characters (like this would've been a better middle of the season episode). It doesn't help Peter helps save a girl and then timeskip, they're best friends.

- Peter meeting Norman literally is a 1 to 1 remake of the scene of Peter meeting Tony from Civil War with the main difference being that Peter talks about getting a DVD player and geeking out about Norman.

- Peter is honestly the worst part of the show. His personality is a very beta dorky nerd that is more exaggerated than Tom Holland. He's even more babied since his love interest is a highschool senior who babysat him in middle school. He's also just a goody do gooder who doesn't seem to even snark, but just makes MCU level quips. There's also moments where he does attacks that look like he could kill thugs like knocking a guy out with a brick, smashing a guy into a wall, and kicking a villain down from a burning building. This type of thing is fine in the games since it's a video game but in this show, Peter is just like "well that just happened, whoopsie".
 
It's another example of fantagonism as an advertising gimmick. "Mackie, say this so people will zip off to the metroplexes to see what has to be the 40th Marvel movie by now because they'll believe it is a powerful statement to dunk on the chuds." It is not going to work.
I'll probably watch it because the whole shitshow surrounding it has been more entertaining than the film itself was ever going to be and I want to see how much of a clusterfuck it has become, but it's not even my plan C for what I'll be doing that weekend.

Real talk, with the tide of the zeitgeist ostensibly turning (and/or Blackrock switching up their agitprop to puff up the right for whichever war they're planning) I'm interested to see what Marvel/Disney make moving forward or if they keep playing Pin The Blame On The Honky.
 
They are actually going the multiverse route with this series. Peter gets his powers from portals opened up by Doctor Strange.
Isn't this directly ripped from the second Spider-Verse movie? The spider there was from another universe and was supposed to bite the Miles Morales there but the collider took it to Miles' universe.
 
Wait, wasn't this series originally advertised as the first year of Tom Holland's Peter being Spider-Man?

If that's still the case, then thanks, I hate his origin. lol.
Who knows, the Avengers fighting from Civil War appears in the trailer for the series.

Isn't this directly ripped from the second Spider-Verse movie? The spider there was from another universe and was supposed to bite the Miles Morales there but the collider took it to Miles' universe.
/co/ had a theory that this series was meant to be a Miles show, which makes many of the decisions make way more sense. All of the supporting cast are people of Miles gen besides Osborn. Even the whole gifted school is a Miles thing. Bets are that Disney swapped Miles for Peter given Peter has more marketability.
 
Isn't this directly ripped from the second Spider-Verse movie? The spider there was from another universe and was supposed to bite the Miles Morales there but the collider took it to Miles' universe.
Main difference is Miles got bitten as a result of a spider meant for another Miles appearing to him from use of a collider by the villains in his universe to set up the whole idea of him being an anomaly

Friendly Neighborhood Peter gets bitten by a spider out of some random portal because an alternate universe Dr. Strange was fighting a symbiote alien and somehow appeared in Peter's dimension. The spider just fell out of it after a dragged out action sequence.

/co/ had a theory that this series was meant to be a Miles show, which makes many of the decisions make way more sense. All of the supporting cast are people of Miles gen besides Osborn. Even the whole gifted school is a Miles thing. Bets are that Disney swapped Miles for Peter given Peter has more marketability.
Hell the intro being rap would've been cringe still but would fit Miles more since he's a very urban kid. The MCU did this too where they just force Peter to do shit Miles would do.

Unrelated, but god I hope this Peter gets shoved into a locker
 
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Unrelated, but god I hope this Peter gets shoved into a locker
I'm being completely unironic when saying that Peter being bullied is an important aspect of his character that adaptations should keep. It makes Peter's life so boring when everyone around him is, at worse, rude. Yeah, I love Flash Thompson developing into a better person, but he's got to be bully first, otherwise him being friends with Peter is meaningless. I feel like people are looking at the complaints of current Spidey runs being misery porn that never lets him be happy (which is shit too, don't get me wrong) and are over-correcting with the other extreme.
 
I'm being completely unironic when saying that Peter being bullied is an important aspect of his character that adaptations should keep. It makes Peter's life so boring when everyone around him is, at worse, rude. Yeah, I love Flash Thompson developing into a better person, but he's got to be bully first, otherwise him being friends with Peter is meaningless. I feel like people are looking at the complaints of current Spidey runs being misery porn that never lets him be happy (which is shit too, don't get me wrong) and are over-correcting with the other extreme.
I think it's more that modern nerds have the idea that middle/high school was the best time of their life and being an adult sucks (ie "peaked at high school"). So what happens with the writers is that now Spidey's pre adult life is so perfect it's pointless, but the adult period is misery porn rather than actual functioning adult normal life.
 
I think it's more that modern nerds have the idea that middle/high school was the best time of their life and being an adult sucks (ie "peaked at high school"). So what happens with the writers is that now Spidey's pre adult life is so perfect it's pointless, but the adult period is misery porn rather than actual functioning adult normal life.
The natural progression of technological advancement to the point that specialists are more valuable than generalists has been a disaster for the human race. Autistic hyperfixation used to be deviant social behavior that was corrected by bullying; now it's a prerequisite for the most socially valued professions and being a well-rounded human being is seen as dysfunctional.

Spider-Man is bugman, and the shift in his treatment over time reflects the societal shift in valuation of the bugman.
 
The natural progression of technological advancement to the point that specialists are more valuable than generalists has been a disaster for the human race. Autistic hyperfixation used to be deviant social behavior that was corrected by bullying; now it's a prerequisite for the most socially valued professions and being a well-rounded human being is seen as dysfunctional.

Spider-Man is bugman, and the shift in his treatment over time reflects the societal shift in valuation of the bugman.
Technically specialists were always in higher regard than generalists since the day that people realized that the guy that can kill people really well is pretty good to have around as long as he doesn't start killing your own group.

Anyways, Spider Man always struck me as a regular nerd, at best he could jury rig some basic gadgets and get some basic university degree. I have no idea why they decided to make him an ubermensch giga genius since it fucks with everything about the character is about, especially needing to do random gigs for day to day money.
 
There's an immediate timeskip after Peter gets his bite and he's suddenly Spider-Man, like the first 5 minutes show him going to school before he was Spider-Man but Uncle Ben is dead already and all we know is Peter is sad about it. Could've saved time to at least give Peter more scenes since most of episode 1 is more focused on side characters (like this would've been a better middle of the season episode). It doesn't help Peter helps save a girl and then timeskip, they're best friends.
honestly they should have set the show in college, follow the 1960s comics, where he basically gets to start over in college and meets harry and gwen and his forever friends, you can do flashbacks to high school but not dwell on that time.
that was corrected by bullying
was it though? Chris chan seemed to get social cues a lot better from hanging out at the gay bars vs being bullied online.
have no idea why they decided to make him an ubermensch giga genius
how else do you explain the webshooters, honestly the spider didn't do jack shit, who gives a fuck about sticking to walls when you have webshooters. like as neat as the super strength and flexibility is, the webshooters do most of the work.
 
Anyways, Spider Man always struck me as a regular nerd, at best he could jury rig some basic gadgets and get some basic university degree. I have no idea why they decided to make him an ubermensch giga genius since it fucks with everything about the character is about, especially needing to do random gigs for day to day money.
Nah, he's pretty consistently been portrayed as a genius, even back during the Lee & Ditko days. Made his web shooters and web fluid himself back when he was 15(ish) and constantly would whip up weird science shit to defeat his villains("anti-magnetic inverter" to defeat Vulture; finished Curt Connors antidote to cure him of his Lizard form), and he was always portrayed as top of his class, with most of his teachers loving him. To top it off, his parents were super spies.
 
how else do you explain the webshooters, honestly the spider didn't do jack shit, who gives a fuck about sticking to walls when you have webshooters. like as neat as the super strength and flexibility is, the webshooters do most of the work.
Honestly this is why I really like the Raimi films for how they made the webs organic, hell I think the webshooters could work if its a way to control unstable organic webs.
 
Hollywood actors need to just shut the fuck up. These people are barely sentient and have the IQ of a potato. Every time they open their mouths there's at least a 50% chance it'll be a franchise-killing disaster.
I've seen some old interviews with Mackie and he seems a normal articulated guy, tbh. I don't think it's an act, I think he's actually clever.

Problem is when actors want to become political and they don't realise that people are too polarised now and you're gonna end up offending one side either way if you don't understand certain nuances. When Chris Evans said he wanted to give the other side a chance to speak to know why they were angry, leftists for mad. When Terry Crews said he wanted to discuss why there were so many fatherless men, black women called him a misogynistic for ignoring their issues. Both of these approaches were of normal men who see a problem and want to fix it, but their audiences are ultra autistic and go for purity checks of their ideologies so they rejected it.

Its kinda funny theyre making all the villains minorities tbh.
Insert here that graphic showing the difference between liberals and conservatives. Leftist liberals particularly identity themselves with bugs and orcs, so I'm not surprised they think the villains are the real misunderstood underdogs.

iirc, when Tony meets Peter for the first time in Civil War Peter starts to talk about Uncle Ben's death but gets cut off. He also has a few hand-me-down things that have the name 'Ben' on them.

I don't think it's ever been confirmed but it's long been rumored that Sony had all kind of retarded caveats for Disney's use of Spider-Man.
I think the real reason they didn't show Ben was that they wanted to make May a bigger influence bc woman.
 
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Yeah it has to at least be mentioned, like even showing it wihtin a 5 minute flashback can make it work.
They did sort of imply it. Spidey's little speech about "when you can do these things, and bad things happen, they happen because of you" in Civil War, the vague mentions of something having happened to Peter and May in the recent past in Homecoming, and Peter having a briefcase with Ben's initials in Far from home.

I fully expected them to actually address it in No Way Home, but not even with the other Spideys talking about their Bens did Peter bring it up.

Main difference is Miles got bitten as a result of a spider meant for another Miles
There's nothing that indicates it was meant for another Miles. It most likely would have bit a Peter and created a normal Spider-Man, but since it didn't, there's no Spidey and that world is all shitty and Jeff died and Aaron turned his nephew into a villain.
 
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