Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I think the real reason they didn't show Ben was that they wanted to make May a bigger influence bc woman.

Sure, but they also made her a Milf that had an in with Happy. Really detracts from her defenselessness when she never was.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Nah, he's pretty consistently been portrayed as a genius, even back during the Lee & Ditko days. Made his web shooters and web fluid himself back when he was 15(ish) and constantly would whip up weird science shit to defeat his villains("anti-magnetic inverter" to defeat Vulture; finished Curt Connors antidote to cure him of his Lizard form), and he was always portrayed as top of his class, with most of his teachers loving him. To top it off, his parents were super spies.

You're right. Maybe it's just how smart people changed in media perception. Like in the past a smart person was still be someone who can hang out with regular people and have a functioning conversation. While today they are portrayed as unapproachable autists who MUST revolutionize society with their inventions.

It ties to how intelligence is considered a superpower by idiotic writers (the famous Sherlock greentext).

It's the same as Aunt May going from charity work on the side to be the manager of 100M$ complex for charity in New York. It takes an admirable trait and gives it unreal expectations.

 

[IDontLikeLiberals]

There has never been a character as important as Spider-Man that has been treated as badly by its parent company. Spider-Man hasn't been good in the comics since the fucking NINETIES.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

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the mcu always has this weird tightrope of watering down the americana to appeal to china but then immediately consenting to getting full throatfucked by the boot of the american military complex when push comes to shove

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

I'm not gonna see it to believe myself, but it seems like the Spider-man show might be kino.





I have a feeling this has to be trolling.

 

[Van Darkholme]

There has never been a character as important as Spider-Man that has been treated as badly by its parent company. Spider-Man hasn't been good in the comics since the fucking NINETIES.

The new Ultimate Spider-Man hasn't been fucked over yet and the run so far has been pretty decent, might keep an eye on that.
He's also in his mid-thirties, is married to MJ and has two kids.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

There has never been a character as important as Spider-Man that has been treated as badly by its parent company. Spider-Man hasn't been good in the comics since the fucking NINETIES.

Grew up being a dedicated Spider-Man fan. Went through a looooot of bad times in the comics, but they would always bounce back. For almost 20 years now, Marvel has been annoyingly, frustratingly insistent on never letting Peter Parker grow up.

Brand New Day was the comic that absolutely broke me as a lifelong fan, and I haven't regularly read the comics since because I keep seeing that the "reset button" keeps being pressed over and over for Peter.

Joe Quesada is my enemy, and I don't like him.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Going to quote /co/ here again, but the problems expressed over modern Spider-Man adaptations is theorized to be because Marvel is trying to make Peter the gateway character. He is the superhero kids relate to, so now Marvel is using him as the entry point to make the rest of Marvel look cool at the cost of the brand’s identity. In a sense, he is Marvel’s answer to Robin, the kid character that gets to hang out with the top superhero team.

It would also explain the Miles-ification of Peter. Other than trying to be different from previous adaptations, Miles was built to be more of the younger kid hero with tons of relations with other heroes. Him also being the best at science and more kid-like plays harder into the kid self-insert/gateway theory.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

The new Ultimate Spider-Man hasn't been fucked over yet and the run so far has been pretty decent, might keep an eye on that.
He's also in his mid-thirties, is married to MJ and has two kids.

The fact that the main comic ain't like this is atrocious. Like, I'm sure Peter is meant to be in his 30s already, it'd be normal he has a family and kids already and has different challenges as a father, husband, and superhero.

@Basic Blond Boy is right, but I am sure that the actual target audience ain't officially kids but average soymanchildren who are also single and still wish they were Spider-Man.

Would kids relate to him if he was a dad? I think it would have a different kind of appeal to them as many kids see their own dad and a hero and the older readers who read SM when they were kids can feel they grew up together.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Would kids relate to him if he was a dad? I think it would have a different kind of appeal to them as many kids see their own dad and a hero and the older readers who read SM when they were kids can feel they grew up together.

Kids relate to Batman. The idea you need to share anything more than basic human emotions with a character to relate to it is the result of too many psychopath writers.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Kids relate to Batman. The idea you need to share anything more than basic human emotions with a character to relate to it is the result of too many psychopath writers.

This is true and he's technically the dad for so many Robins and he's never been portrayed as a kid.

There is really no excuse to keep Peter as a perpetual teen.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

This is true and he's technically the dad for so many Robins and he's never been portrayed as a kid.

There is really no excuse to keep Peter as a perpetual teen.

There's a ton of memes on black and mexican teens seeing Picollo as a father figure and that's a green unisex alien.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

@Basic Blond Boy is right, but I am sure that the actual target audience ain't officially kids but average soymanchildren who are also single and still wish they were Spider-Man.

For marketing, it would be. Good to separate marketing and writers as they are two fields completely opposed to one another.

From a marketing standpoint, making Spider-Man the kids character to get kids into Ironman and the rest of the MCU is a smart move. He has the widest draw and kids more often relate to younger protagonists, so having him see the rest of Marvel as cool, means kids see Marvel as cool.

There is really no excuse to keep Peter as a perpetual teen

Marketing.

Marketing likes consistency and is usually the biggest contributor to resets. Having Spider-Man be the younger hero was the main draw of him, the second he becomes older he loses the unique marketing angle and can just be thrown in with Marvel’s other heroes.

The main issue I would take with this is why Marvel never takes the route of having Miles be the young Spider-Man while Peter grows up. They clearly want to push Miles as the youngster for a new age, yet cannot lose their death grip on Peter being the young character simultaneously. All it does is ruin Peter and make Miles a redundancy when this logical conclusion would have saved the ship.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Peter graduated high school in '65 (ASM #28 ) and college in '78 (ASM #185), he hasn't been particularly young in decades now. 'Young super-hero' has only been his appeal since Marvel decided it was in the late '90s when they tried the New Chapter shit (essentially a soft reboot) and then again with the retarded Brand New Day crap.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Peter graduated high school in '65 (ASM #28 ) and college in '78 (ASM #185), he hasn't been particularly young in decades now. 'Young super-hero' has only been his appeal since Marvel decided it was in the late '90s when they tried the New Chapter shit (essentially a soft reboot) and then again with the retarded Brand New Day crap.

Most of the most known Marvel characters are in their 30s, and only the Richards are shown as a family with kids. 30s is a perfect age for people to start deciding to settle down, heroics or not. Even Jubilee had a kid she stole and tried to raise him.

Funny how the MCU was able to show them having families. Not all of them, but some: Clint, Antman, even Tony. I guess it's gonna be hard for the women because of pregnancy and all of that, but it's not like MJ fights crime.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Going to quote /co/ here again, but the problems expressed over modern Spider-Man adaptations is theorized to be because Marvel is trying to make Peter the gateway character. He is the superhero kids relate to, so now Marvel is using him as the entry point to make the rest of Marvel look cool at the cost of the brand’s identity. In a sense, he is Marvel’s answer to Robin, the kid character that gets to hang out with the top superhero team.

It would also explain the Miles-ification of Peter. Other than trying to be different from previous adaptations, Miles was built to be more of the younger kid hero with tons of relations with other heroes. Him also being the best at science and more kid-like plays harder into the kid self-insert/gateway theory.

It makes sense that out of touch suits would do this to Spider-Man. Doesn't help this Spider-Man was meant to be Tom Holland's which makes it worse.

The funniest thing now is that Marvel may not need to force characters into being a gateway since Marvel Rivals has alone brought more interest to Marvel characters than any other medium has before, and if Marvel were smart they could take advantage of this.

But then again, Marvel editorial is run by idiots while Disney is very out of touch.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

There has never been a character as important as Spider-Man that has been treated as badly by its parent company. Spider-Man hasn't been good in the comics since the fucking NINETIES.

Marvel started fucking with Spider-Man and Mary Jane in around 87-89. Especially with Mary Jane getting the attention of a billionaire who wanted to fuck her good and hard.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

The funniest thing now is that Marvel may not need to force characters into being a gateway since Marvel Rivals has alone brought more interest to Marvel characters than any other medium has before, and if Marvel were smart they could take advantage of this.

X-Men 97 did this too. I remember young people asking info to read the X-Men comics, specially Gambit.

What's the reason for the movies not inspiring this?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

X-Men 97 did this too. I remember young people asking info to read the X-Men comics, specially Gambit.

What's the reason for the movies not inspiring this?

Its quite simple, most of the movies don't really have any faithfulness or respect to the comics. There may be a few that got people into the comics, but compared to Japan where manga gets directly adapted faithfully into anime, the MCU and some of the tv shows don't fully adapt the stories.

This is a thing in general that has happened with superhero media, and it helps that Marvel Rivals has characters reference events in the comics while X-Men 97 isn't ashamed of its source material

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Marvel started fucking with Spider-Man and Mary Jane in around 87-89. Especially with Mary Jane getting the attention of a billionaire who wanted to fuck her good and hard.

I wouldn't say they fucked with it back then. "Weird guy is obsessed with MJ and wants her" is a well they return to a few times throughout the marriage but, iirc, they're never treated as "oh, no, Peter's about to get cucked!" Hell, there's a story wherein sleazy reporter Nick Katzenberg finds out about Peter being Spider-Man and tries to blackmail MJ into sex -- she just punches him in the face. If they did that story today it'd probably be a 12 issue NTR arc.