Marvel Cinematic Universe

[el bandito loco]

I don't know about the panels thing though they were also mocked pre-release. The unfinished CGI was certainly the case with the hulk himself, though.

And as is so often the case, once people have got an opinion on something they hate to be wrong and just double-down on it. The effects weren't as good as you'd get today but they were nothing that should spoil the movie.

I unironically think the Hulk himself looks better in that movie than he has in some later movies. The panels are weird, I like them because they're weird. they sometimes work, and sometimes don't. the only real issues I have with the movie are he gets absurdly big in parts, he's like King Kong size at one point, and the final battle is kind of terrible action wise. you can't see a fuckin' thing going on and it's not long enough. I've owned that movie on VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray, & 4K Blu-Ray and every time it comes out on a new format, I buy it hoping maybe I can see what the fuck is going on in the end, and every time, I don't. (Well I guess the VHS/DVD came out the same time, I bought the tape release week and ended up with the DVD later on, but still).

The commentary track for that movie is strange. One of my oldest friends and I both love that movie, saw it in theaters together as kids and watch it like once a year and one time we decided to check out the commentary. Ang Lee thinks he made a comedy. When Nick Nolte is on screen, he starts cracking up and reiterates how hilarious his performance was, and thats exactly what he wanted from him. I have no idea what he's talking about. The reason I love that movie, is because it's a psychological horror movie and not a generic superhero movie, Ang Lee thinks he made the feel good movie of summer 2003, and Nick Nolte is the comedic relief.

I wish we had gotten the sequel in the works from him, they were going to do Grey Hulk and keep leaning into the schizo aspects that were the best thing about the first's script. I know the first isn't really a part of it, but it leads relatively directly into Incredible Hulk, (obviously written as a sequel then that was toned down in a later draft) so I personally consider it the retroactive starting point for the MCU and if I'm going to watch them a bunch of them I start with Hulk 03.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

YES! Ang Lee's Hulk is phenomenal. I absolutely love the comic book panels he did and stunts like the way you see the guy approach Betty Ross from both behind and in front. Top stuff. I never got the hate.

Ang Lee's Hulk has no balls. I remember seeing it in theaters and thinking that he took the "comic book movie" thing as literally as possible, to the detrement of the movie.

The other problem is that the Hulk never kills anyone except Nick Nolte's Absorbing Man (or whatever the hell he becomes in his Jeremy-Irons-in-Dungeons-and-Dragons performance). Hulk is supposed to be this unstoppable rage monster and having thr lingering shot to show the crew climbing out of the rank he just crumpled up like a pop can really deflates the threat.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Ang Lee's Hulk has no balls. I remember seeing it in theaters and thinking that he took the "comic book movie" thing as literally as possible, to the detrement of the movie.

The other problem is that the Hulk never kills anyone except Nick Nolte's Absorbing Man (or whatever the hell he becomes in his Jeremy-Irons-in-Dungeons-and-Dragons performance). Hulk is supposed to be this unstoppable rage monster and having thr lingering shot to show the crew climbing out of the rank he just crumpled up like a pop can really deflates the threat.

Reminds me of the retarded retcon they tried pulling in the comics around that same time, that Hulk was actually constantly doing 'super math' in his head, calculating trajectories and angles, so that he never really hurt anyone. I think writers largely ignored it.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

To be

 

[Tasty Tatty]

To be fair, there are certain liberties you can take in a comic book that you can't in the adaptation that you know still is trying to appeal to kids and/or teenagers. You also need to remove some nuances or simply dumb down some stories. In the case of modern Disney, they either know their audience are retards or they are the retards who think they're super smart.
Wanda and US Agent are the obvious examples of people assigning them a specific role and the audience interpreting the opposite because they're bad writing characters.

 

[Overly Serious]

The commentary track for that movie is strange. One of my oldest friends and I both love that movie, saw it in theaters together as kids and watch it like once a year and one time we decided to check out the commentary. Ang Lee thinks he made a comedy. When Nick Nolte is on screen, he starts cracking up and reiterates how hilarious his performance was, and thats exactly what he wanted from him. I have no idea what he's talking about. The reason I love that movie, is because it's a psychological horror movie and not a generic superhero movie, Ang Lee thinks he made the feel good movie of summer 2003, and Nick Nolte is the comedic relief.

That's hilariously bizarre. I might make a mental note to track that commentary down some day.

Ang Lee's Hulk has no balls. I remember seeing it in theaters and thinking that he took the "comic book movie" thing as literally as possible, to the detrement of the movie.

The other problem is that the Hulk never kills anyone except Nick Nolte's Absorbing Man (or whatever the hell he becomes in his Jeremy-Irons-in-Dungeons-and-Dragons performance). Hulk is supposed to be this unstoppable rage monster and having thr lingering shot to show the crew climbing out of the rank he just crumpled up like a pop can really deflates the threat.

I get your point, but sometimes it's just not that sort of movie. It's a comic book movie that kids will watch. It's a conscious decision not to show soldiers being crushed to death inside their tanks, not an oversight.

 

[Jace on ice]

I just find it funny that even over on Zuccbook, comments about the F4 and their inclusion in Doomsday are all just saying they’re sick of Pedro.

To quote - “He’s shoved into everything like he’s Ryan Reynolds, but at least Ryan is occasionally funny”.

I actually have a schizo theory about Pedro.

I think Hollywood is trying to frantically backpeddle hard away from #metoo as part of our culture's recent rightward shift away from the far left nonsense that plagued the 2016-2022 era.

Pedro being celebrated for being extremely handsy with women is meant to say "see guys! The reign of terror is over! It's ok to flirt again!"

This attempted messaging is unfortunately being undercut by the fact that Pedro is clearly a homosexual.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

I get your point, but sometimes it's just not that sort of movie. It's a comic book movie that kids will watch. It's a conscious decision not to show soldiers being crushed to death inside their tanks, not an oversight.

I know what you're saying, but you're not obligated to show their outcome in any way. Showing them crushed in the tank is egregious and doesn't match the tone of the movie. But showing them escaping GI Joe exploding airplane style is retarded and also doesn't match the tone. You can just show him smashing the tank and leave their fate up to the viewer. Kids won't give it another thought, and adults won't have their experience spoiled.

Should've give Nolte final edit on the film. And if it's two hours of Absorbing Man monologs then so be it.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Reminds me of the retarded retcon they tried pulling in the comics around that same time, that Hulk was actually constantly doing 'super math' in his head, calculating trajectories and angles, so that he never really hurt anyone. I think writers largely ignored it.

By itself that IS a stupid retcon, but the idea of it actually being Banner being the one doing quick calculations and steering Hulk just enough to avoid "as much damage as possible" instead of a deliberate "never hurt/killed innocents ever" is a nice twist to use IMO - or at least use it when you gotta make him more kid-friendly.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I get your point, but sometimes it's just not that sort of movie. It's a comic book movie that kids will watch. It's a conscious decision not to show soldiers being crushed to death inside their tanks, not an oversight

You can always leave it ambiguous. As much to the point, though, if you want to make a movie for kids and you need to use a comic book to do it, don't pick the comic book thats just a retelling of Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. This was one of Morbius's problems, taking what's essentially a horror premise and defanging it for the PG-13 rating.

 

[Overly Serious]

You can always leave it ambiguous. As much to the point, though, if you want to make a movie for kids and you need to use a comic book to do it, don't pick the comic book thats just a retelling of Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. This was one of Morbius's problems, taking what's essentially a horror premise and defanging it for the PG-13 rating.

Ehh, you're not going to convince me that Hulk isn't for kids. Honestly, most comics stuff is. But the kids stopped reading comics and now it's mostly supported by adults who want to be kids for a while. Yes, you could leave it ambiguous as @Your Starter for 10 already said, but if you see a tank hurled through the air it's a reasonable belief to think that the soldiers inside probably die. And they don't want to show the Hulk killing people, even if there's no close-ups on the bodies. So you see the soldiers scramble and fall out when he picks it up. I'm not saying you're wrong to want that sort of film. I'm just saying it's not an error nor a flaw that this film chooses to go with the heroes not killing.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

This attempted messaging is unfortunately being undercut by the fact that Pedro is clearly a homosexual.

That or he's very autistic and he doesn't know how to behave around ladies with the confidence and assertiveness of a normal man.

It's like that Friends episode when Chandler and Phoebe have to pretend they're flirting and he awkwardly puts his hand on her shoulder.

You can always leave it ambiguous. As much to the point, though, if you want to make a movie for kids and you need to use a comic book to do it, don't pick the comic book thats just a retelling of Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. This was one of Morbius's problems, taking what's essentially a horror premise and defanging it for the PG-13 rating.

They just choose the most random things to adapt and ignore the most obvious.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Was on a long flight recently, so I watched Brave New World and Thunderbolts* in reverse order. In the end, I think I unironically enjoyed the former over the latter, since every Marvel simp and their wife's son seems to claim that Thunderbolts* was a great movie. Well spoiler alert: it wasn't.

It has advantages over Brave New World: it has an ensemble cast, its high points in plot elements are much better, and the characters haven't dragged their reputation through the mud quite like Falcon America has. The problem is that it's hampered by a shitty story and execution, and tries to be both funny and serious only to end up failing at both. The humour is often childish and the treatment and use of characters is inconsistent and uneven, which means the message of the film is also inconsistent and uneven.

It's a poor man's The Suicide Squad, but the DNA was there to make something special out of it. Unfortunately this was not the result.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Raul Julia as Dr. Doom, Jessica Alba as the Invisible Storm, John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic, Ryan Gosling as the Human Torch and Dave Bautista as the Thing.

 

[MrJokerRager]

They missed their chance at appealing to the Marvel Rivals gooners with these wierd ass casting decisions and dreary toning.

The Chinks set up a layup for capitalist American piggus to make the FF4 attract an audience.




And they decided to go with an older woman. Vanessa Kirby might still look good compared to all the fatties that shop at Walmart or Target but come on now.



Should have gotten the kind of actress who looks like a 2000s era Victoria Secret model or Miss USA beauty pajeant contestant.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

The Chinks set up a layup for capitalist American piggus to make the FF4 attract an audience.

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And they decided to go with an older woman. Vanessa Kirby might still look good compared to all the fatties that shop at Walmart or Target but come on now.

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Should have gotten the kind of actress who looks like a 2000s era Victoria Secret model or Miss USA beauty pajeant contestant.

Casting Sydney Sweeney and Ryan Gosling and telling them to "do whatever you want" would have unironically brought in a lot more people.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Raul Julia as Dr. Doom, Jessica Alba as the Invisible Storm, John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic, Ryan Gosling as the Human Torch and Dave Bautista as the Thing.

Casting Sydney Sweeney and Ryan Gosling and telling them to "do whatever you want" would have unironically brought in a lot more people.

How could you forget the legend himself?

 

[Overly Serious]

Casting Sydney Sweeney and Ryan Gosling and telling them to "do whatever you want" would have unironically brought in a lot more people.

Probably. But Sydney Sweeny doesn't much look the part, imo. Isn't she tiny? I know what Sue Storm part requires but I don't know who I would cast for it. Most movies I watch are older ones and so many I'd think of no longer fit those roles. Sue needs to be beautiful, reasonably athletic looking, able to be charismatic.

Deborah Ann Woll is fairly imposing and beautiful. And blonde when she wants to be.


However, she played a role in the Daredevil movies so already exists in the MCU.

Sophie Turner could look the part. I've not really seen her in much to comment on her acting though she's done big budget movies before:


Elizabeth Debicki has also already been in the MCU but it was in a lot of gold paint. She's certainly beautiful though a little on the elfin side for Sue Storm. Still, if they're willing to cast Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards. And besides, she can pull off both charm and steel which is what Sue really needs. Sue Storm is more of a good person, than a goodie-goodie.


Wait - I've got one. Hear me out on this: Ivanna Sakhno. Yes, she is again rather elfin and she'd need to do an American accent. However, she's a good actress, she's charismatic and at least looks better than Vanessa Kirby and of a more appropriate age.


Anyway, it's really difficult to cast comic book characters because there's such a clear pre-existing conception of the character. Still, I took a crack at it. Pretty much every casting in this movie was wrong.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Sue with a gun would be kino.

Unironically she would be the best assasin ever and would make a better assassin than Black Widow or White Widow or Psylocke or Lady Bullseye.