Mass Effect 2 cut queer romances because of media backlash

[CWCissey]

Eh, Tali is the best romance option, Jack is why the 11th Commandment exists.

As for wasted Mass Effect plotlines, what about the dark matter related one that was hinted at in Tali's recruitment mission?

 

[Cranby]

Ngl pretty fun seeing some of the nu-righties itt desperately coping with the reminder that their side used to be the one censoring games before Anita.

But, bants aside, shit just proves that the corporations bend over in front of anyone daring enough to make a big enough stink. Not that it wasn't obvious already.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I'm pretty sure that pansexual wasn't even a thing in 2010.

It was, but only as a joke for nymphos (see:Space Moose)

 

[Aidan]

Ngl pretty fun seeing some of the nu-righties itt desperately coping with the reminder that their side used to be the one censoring games before Anita.

But, bants aside, shit just proves that the corporations bend over in front of anyone daring enough to make a big enough stink. Not that it wasn't obvious already.

You seriously think Fox News singlehandedly altered this one very specific thing in ME2? The news outlet these same people pretend not to give a shit about? This is Mass Effect development history being rewritten to appeal to potential woke customers who they know will flip shit at how the games aren't progressive enough because every fuckable NPC isn't bisexual.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Ngl pretty fun seeing some of the nu-righties itt desperately coping with the reminder that their side used to be the one censoring games before Anita.

But, bants aside, shit just proves that the corporations bend over in front of anyone daring enough to make a big enough stink. Not that it wasn't obvious already.

Fox does a single piece bitching every now and again, some housewives wring their hands and the world keeps on spinning and no one cars.

The left gets you sacked from your job, unable to get a new one and have fundamentally changed the types of games that get made, the types of characters that get included and are actively working to excise the people who made video games development and sales so big from their own hobby. The right sat on the outside and whined, the left bulldozed in and took over.

 

[Cranby]

You seriously think Fox News singlehandedly altered this one very specific thing in ME2? The news outlet these same people pretend not to give a shit about? This is Mass Effect development history being rewritten to appeal to potential woke customers who they know will flip shit at how the games aren't progressive enough because every fuckable NPC isn't bisexual.

You might not remember just how much of a stink Fox managed to make by attacking sex scenes in ME. People would discuss it for years to come. Yes, developers were not nearly as eager to bend the knee to the journos alone back then but that shit had a bigger reach than almost anything twitter/resetera censorship squads are doing these days.

Fox does a single piece bitching every now and again, some housewives wring their hands and the world keeps on spinning and no one cars.

The left gets you sacked from your job, unable to get a new one and have fundamentally changed the types of games that get made, the types of characters that get included and are actively working to excise the people who made video games development and sales so big from their own hobby. The right sat on the outside and whined, the left bulldozed in and took over.

Fistshaking housewives were enough to create entities like CCA and ESRB. First one is dead and second one is largely irrelevant thanks to digital stores like Steam, but pissing them off or going against their arbitrary judgements used to mean that you could not sell your product anywhere outside of literal porn stores.

The entirety of US GTA San Andreas stock (which was the biggest best selling game of its time) had to be recalled because it had a hidden inaccessible sex scene that made ESRB angry because Rockstar didn't tell them about it. And Fox News was by far the main outlet peddling this drama to the retarded masses. It was the biggest videogame scandal in history and ME2 was released just 4-5 years after that.

You have to be a partisan schizo to not at least consider pre-SJW era Bioware bitching out and removing one inconsequential fag scene from the game as something very plausible given the context.

 

[Aidan]

Yet ME2 still has gay shit.

 

[capitalBBustard]

You might not remember just how much of a stink Fox managed to make by attacking sex scenes in ME. People would discuss it for years to come. Yes, developers were not nearly as eager to bend the knee to the journos alone back then but that shit had a bigger reach than almost anything twitter/resetera censorship squads are doing these days.



Fistshaking housewives were enough to create entities like CCA and ESRB. First one is dead and second one is largely irrelevant thanks to digital stores like Steam, but pissing them off or going against their arbitrary judgements used to mean that you could not sell your product anywhere outside of literal porn stores.

The entirety of US GTA San Andreas stock (which was the biggest best selling game of its time) had to be recalled because it had a hidden inaccessible sex scene that made ESRB angry because Rockstar didn't tell them about it. And Fox News was by far the main outlet peddling this drama to the retarded masses. It was the biggest videogame scandal in history and ME2 was released just 4-5 years after that.

You have to be a partisan schizo to not at least consider pre-SJW era Bioware bitching out and removing one inconsequential fag scene from the game as something very plausible given the context.

2010 nobody gave a shit about Fox, all their bullshit was old man yelling at cloud. ME1 got the complaints about sex scenes and every subsequent Bioware game, including ME2 with Miranda, had a far more gratuitous one.

The didn't cut shit for Fox news. DAO('09) had gay shit, DA2('11) had everyone be a turbo sped bisexual and ME3('12) had desperate gay/lesbo only romances. You trying to tie Hot Coffee to 'sucksexfull rightoid censurship' is the most pathetic revisionist shit imaginable.

Pretending it's "very plausible" while your first paragraph is downplaying Ree/SJW effect on games in favour of the Fox boogeyman tipped your hands a tad too much you turbo projecting faglet.

 

[Cranby]

Yet ME2 still has gay shit.

ME2 has mindsex with blue hermaphrodite aliens and one lesbian scene, albeit with a shitty throwaway side-character that didn't look like a disgusting Die Cis Scum proto-troon.

Furthermore, the series already had a history of removing fag shit. T'Soni aside, ME1 did not have any gay/lesbian sex scenes despite them being almost complete (voiced and all) during development.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPMOlEfhWGE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mwiqq-Y5r4

Yes, they weren't averse to gay shit in their games but ME2 still existed during the times when you could remove/refuse to add any of the modern representation cancer to your product without causing the wrath of a thousand troons. Even among gamers not many people would be willing to defend them over a carpet munching scene with Jack of all things.

Pretending it's "very plausible" while your first paragraph is downplaying Ree/SJW effect on games in favour of the Fox boogeyman tipped your hands a tad too much you turbo projecting faglet.

How was I downplaying it, you insufferable bitch clown? By saying that modern developers are more eager to bend the knee to twitter and resetera than they were to the journos of 00s? By saying that resetera has less of a public reach than Fox fucking News in the 90-00s? Do you consider everything that does not go out of its way to unequivocally validate the takes from your shitty circlejerk to be a downplay?

 

[The Valeyard]

Furthermore, the series already had a history of removing fag shit. T'Soni aside, ME1 did not have any gay/lesbian sex scenes despite them being almost complete (voiced and all) during development.

It's standard practice in games where the player has a choice between a male or female character for every line of dialogue to be recorded by both voice actors, so they don't have to book them again if something important was missed the first time.

 

[capitalBBustard]

How was I downplaying it, you insufferable bitch clown? By saying that modern developers are more eager to bend the knee to twitter and resetera than they were to the journos of 00s? By saying that resetera has less of a public reach than Fox fucking News in the 90-00s? Do you consider everything that does not go out of its way to unequivocally validate the takes from your shitty circlejerk to be a downplay?

>Not downplaying it but spergs about Fox boogeyman in the late 2000s and implicitly ties Hot Coffee to rightoid censorship
>Therefore rightoid censorship totally plausibe despite games prior(DAO) and after(DA2/ME3) not censoring the same thing and Fox being a punching bag in reality
>Muh Ree doesn't have "reach" = Fox bloviating back then is worse somehow, despite Ree being far more damaging thus "reach" being an irrelevant measure (that serves only to downplay Ree)
>Spergs about circlejerks when the obvious is pointed out

Q.E.D.

 

[Aidan]

ME2 has mindsex with blue hermaphrodite aliens and one lesbian scene, albeit with a shitty throwaway side-character that didn't look like a disgusting Die Cis Scum proto-troon.

Furthermore, the series already had a history of removing fag shit. T'Soni aside, ME1 did not have any gay/lesbian sex scenes despite them being almost complete (voiced and all) during development.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPMOlEfhWGE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mwiqq-Y5r4

Yes, they weren't averse to gay shit in their games but ME2 still existed during the times when you could remove/refuse to add any of the modern representation cancer to your product without causing the wrath of a thousand troons. Even among gamers not many people would be willing to defend them over a carpet munching scene with Jack of all things.

I think you have it backwards, is all. 10 years ago (feels like 100) they weren't trying to pander to anyone with their dumbshit. If anything the pandering was very male focused because that's who buys Mass Effect and why they actioned it way the fuck up and male shep is the box art hero. Fox didn't do shit except bitch about how the world is going to hell because of sexual degeneracy which gets them outrage views from retired boomers.

Now in 2021, we have Bioware who does try to pander to lgtbasdjlkdsajlktlkjads and as a result they're trying to gaslight their own development history and blame the evil rightoid boogeyman for their game not being up to today's insane standards. It's like if Midway/NetherRealm Studios said that Mortal Kombat was going to have more violence or some mega-dyke character but they backed out because of Fox when they have a remaster/rerelease of those very games right around the corner.

Did anyone officially refer to Jack as pansexual before 2020 btw? Among my associates of the time she was just a fucked up bisexual punk chick.
EDIT: The Mass Effect wiki page for Jack was updated on Jan 21, 2021 to reflect her pansexuality. Convenient innit

 

[Cranby]

It's standard practice in games where the player has a choice between a male or female character for every line of dialogue to be recorded by both voice actors, so they don't have to book them again if something important was missed the first time.

I mean, it's pretty obvious that most interchangeable straight/gay romance options in their games are just copypaste shit.
Still:
1. ME is the series that has a history of them not utilizing those assets for one reason or another.
2. It is also the series that got the most negative press during that period.
3. You can claim that this article is lying about why the Jack scene got removed but you can't argue with the fact that Jack was both designed and written as a character that would be down for homosex and yet she didn't get to fuck femshep DESPITE the primitive drag and drop nature of those scenes. I mean, fuck, look at this she is explicitly written as gay and referencing her previous relationship with two chicks in the romance scene itself.

I think you have it backwards, is all. 10 years ago (feels like 100) they weren't trying to pander to anyone with their dumbshit. If anything the pandering was very male focused because that's who buys Mass Effect and why they actioned it way the fuck up and male shep is the box art hero. Fox didn't do shit except bitch about how the world is going to hell because of sexual degeneracy which gets them outrage views from retired boomers.

Now in 2021, we have Bioware who does try to pander to lgtbasdjlkdsajlktlkjads and as a result they're trying to gaslight their own development history and blame the evil rightoid boogeyman for their game not being up to today's insane standards. It's like if Midway/NetherRealm Studios said that Mortal Kombat was going to have more violence or some mega-dyke character but they backed out because of Fox when they have a remaster/rerelease of those very games right around the corner.

Did anyone officially refer to Jack as pansexual before 2020 btw? Among my associates of the time she was just a fucked up bisexual punk chick.
EDIT: The Mass Effect wiki page for Jack was updated on Jan 21, 2021 to reflect her pansexuality. Convenient innit

I'll give you the pansexual stuff, it does sound like bullshit, but I was talking about the romance part specifically.
What other reasons would there be to not have that scene other than due to the outrage that happened after Jacks's character was already written? It can't be for technical reasons because of the primitive copypaste nature of those scenes.

Hell, let's assume that developers in Bioware did not give a single fuck about what Fox News or its audience thought or said. It is totally plausible.
You know what is also possible and happens ALL THE TIME in the industry? Some shitty suit from EA could have seen those Fox hitpieces and just forced the developers to remove the most disgusting dyke scene from the game. It explains why the game is missing something so obvious. It explains why they are being so vague about who exactly made that decision since they are still owned by EA. And it also ties in neatly with your argument about them having to pander to male audience (female protag making out with a hot blue sex alien = fox may bitch but the audience will enjoy it; female protag making out with a disgusting mannish dyke = both fox and the target audience hate it so you better take it out of the game I am paying you to make or else).

 

[Jeffrey Epstein]

so do you think when we conquer all of the bigotry and homophobia in the west, they will turn their attention to the middle east and roll up their sleeves and really attempt to start a dialogue and get some proper work done on the front of equality and understanding?

 

[Aidan]

I'll give you the pansexual stuff, it does sound like bullshit, but I was talking about the romance part specifically.
What other reasons would there be to not have that scene other than due to the outrage that happened after Jacks's character was already written? It can't be for technical reasons because of the primitive copypaste nature of those scenes.

Hell, let's assume that developers in Bioware did not give a single fuck about what Fox News or its audience thought or said. It is totally plausible.
You know what is also possible and happens ALL THE TIME in the industry? Some shitty suit from EA could have seen those Fox hitpieces and just forced the developers to remove the most disgusting scene from the game. Not only does it explain why the game is missing something so obvious but also why they are being so vague about who exactly made that decision since they are still owned by EA.

I don't know why they didn't do it, but blaming it on fucking Fox News over a decade later is pretty retarded. By your logic every character could and maybe should be romanced by Shepard regardless of gender. I don't really care about this that much but the timing and contents of the articles on this just scream woke pandering. Neither of us is going to get any hard evidence either way and I dipped out of Mass Effect after 2 so I really don't care.
Bioware is dead.

so do you think when we conquer all of the bigotry and homophobia in the west, they will turn their attention to the middle east and roll up their sleeves and really attempt to start a dialogue and get some proper work done on the front of equality and understanding?

Definitely

 

[Cranby]

Now that I'm reflecting upon this whole argument and the times when ME and ME2 were relevant, I can't help but think how retarded, in a petty way, that topic is.
Those romances are always written so poorly, feel so arbitrary within the context of their games and even the sex scenes themselves are fucking wack and not sexy at all. And yet this whole fucking topic of courting characters in mediocre Bioware games was such a huge part of the gaming zeitgeist of its era. Hell, it might have been one of the biggest precursors to the ideological split that happened in the industry in 2013.

There are 30 year old dating sims on the motherfucking MSX that do this topic more justice than Bioware could ever dream of and yet here we are, 10 years later, still discussing ugly soulless models representing characters written but fat ugly fag-obsessed bitches (who somehow got hired to write for games with overwhelmingly male target audiences) humping each other. Western game industry is a fucking joke.

 

[The handsome tard]

Eh, Tali is the best romance option, Jack is why the 11th Commandment exists.

As for wasted Mass Effect plotlines, what about the dark matter related one that was hinted at in Tali's recruitment mission?

In the original Mass Effect 3 plotline, the "true" cause for the reapers existing is because the use of mass effect fields in excess would have cause possible tearing in the fabric of reality itself (or something of the sort), hence why they eliminate space travelling races to avoid the cosmos from collapsing upon itself, hence the "salvation through destruction" line in ME2. Im probably missing some details but thats the gest of it.

Of course it got leaked so they had to scramble panic to make up a new reason on the spot for the reapers to do what they do. Basically turning them into evil but "for the greater good" type of lovecraftian monsters to basically big scuttlefish-bots with shitty AI that just cant grasp the fact that it has been proven wrong over and over again during the course of the entire trilogy, especially 3.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

I also heard ME3's ending was Donald Trump's fault!

 

[StraightShooter2]

Kudos to Mass Effect.

 

[Moths]

How can girl marine and space smurfette even compete?

Fuck watching this shit makes my neck hurt, one day bioware will get those janky character animations fixed