Matt Mullenweg & Automattic/WordPress vs WP Engine

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BelUwUga said:
Looks like this is her. (Archive) No clue how popular/useful/notable Client Portal, Design Academy, or Project Pack are but she's their creator.
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Yeah that's what I googled. She appears to be a somewhat notable person if your life revolves around writing wordpress blogs, I guess.
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You don't find it weird that a corporate twitter account is responding to a "nobody" that pinged nobody? It's not like they're providing support, it's just snark. Realistically, it should be lauded because companies throwing shade would be funny, but that's not how it works for corporations on social media unless you're some kind of meme company like wendys or that seafood place that trolls vegans. "People" expect professionalism and some kind of stability, this is just pointless bad optics that only serves to harm the brand & community.
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I don't find it weird, twitter is a festering cesspool of retards being retards and corporate accounts are no different in any way, shape or form. Yeah he's being unprofessional (like that matters on a social media platform based around throwing shit at people in 140 characters or less lol) and somehow despite that she's making him look like he won this one, and all it took was 1 xeet. What he said to her is probably the least inflammatory thing he's said to anyone in the past weeks.
 
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I just want to throw out there that Wordpress is an utter piece of shit; absolutely hot garbage software. And WP Engine is a dogshit host that introduces an astonishing number of limitations in their hosting service.

Source: worked at a company that made the mistake of using both.

I'm in the "hoping for mutually-assured destruction" camp, but Matt's meltdown is glorious and it's very likely he's on the losing side of this one. :story:
 
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Someone made this wpmustwin.com - (archive). I didn't read it fully but it's co-signed by a bunch of people seemingly involved with wordpress and former automattic employees. Sidenote, I believe this site is automatically updating the homepage with the usernames of people that sign, so behave. Or don't, I'm not your dad.
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This sets off my bullshit alarm because it smacks of opportunism and I can't tell who is running it. It calls for a "neutral" party to resolve the conflict but that's code for grabbing control of WordPress while its major stakeholder is busy snorting rails and sperging out.

There's some wishy-washy language about how the author needs to stay anonymous and won't reveal it even if asked. What's gonna happen, you'll get banned from the WP Slack again?

Who started this?

That does not matter. If you really need to know for trust-reasons: we get it.

Then we’d reply it’s just a WP nobody who started this. The nobody in question has a small business with +/- 30% of revenue coming from WP related work. 5% or 8% of 30% of revenue may pay for a lunch at a local WordCamp or may not suffice.

So a nobody, but it is a nobody who believes in the power of FOSS, who believes in the Open Web, who believed in Five for the Future and and tries to give back in time (organising meetups, WordCamps, translating, helping users and stuff like that). But who’s afraid of how this conflict pans out, for all of us, for the myriad of site owners involved and for the Open Web as we know it and all of our dreams for it.

The appeal includes as many voices in the copy as possible. A lot of WP peeps are in there, most stuff has been said the past few weeks, or the past few years, some stuff has been said for a decade or so. Reviewed and redacted by 10+ WP community members.

https://wpmustwin.org/privacy-policy/ (Archive)

There is a whole lot of "we" in there trying to make it sound like there's a plurality already and I don't buy it. Anyone who signs this is a useful idiot.
 
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quiet day on the battlefield but fret not, matt is awake and tweeting (archive)

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he does this quite a lot, he'll ask something specific, or he'll say something specific but he'll omit the rest. in this case, he knows the GPL allows him to do what he did with the code but that's not what has everyone pissed. it's that a plugins repository (and all its users) on wordpress.org was hijacked. matt isn't interested in seeing the bigger picture, only the little parts where he can say he's right.

hacker news discusses (archive). one part that jumped out at me was the reports of broken sites after the ACF -> SCF hijacking which allegedly were confirmed in the WP slack (archive).

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hard to tell if this tweet is satire or not. (archive)
 
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FYI if anyone wants to keep up with things it's actually very easy. The wordpress subreddit (https://old.reddit.com/r/wordpress) is quite good, though moderation there is weird. They tend to allow new threads on drama but after 12-24 hours they remove them and move them into the megathreads. TLDR, just browse by /new every couple of hours and sort the comments in the megathread(s) by new.

https://nitter.poast.org/photomatt (matt)
https://nitter.poast.org/wordpress (matt)
https://nitter.poast.org/automattic (matt)
https://nitter.poast.org/search?f=tweets&q=wordpress|wpengine|acf&since=&until=&near= (search for keywords)
https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=photomatt (matt)
https://nitter.poast.org/wpengine (wpengine)
https://nitter.poast.org/wp_acf (acf)

they're all retweeting stuff to fit their own agenda so that'll cover all the important stuff. anything more community driven will generally be found on reddit
 
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Without revealing too much info in order to avoid powerlevelling, 10+ years ago I worked for one of the US' biggest managed server platforms and Automattic was one of our biggest clients, so much so that they were privileged enough to have an immediate direct line of contact to the support team I worked for. I cannot remember any of the names of the people from this company because it's been so long but we talked to them every single fucking day about the stupidest shit that they could not figure out on their own. Sometimes multiple times a day. The sheer size of their platform made them one of our most valuable clients which is why we rolled out the red carpet for them but it's worth noting that rather than rent/lease the more powerful and substantial equipment we had they basically slum lorded it up by gobbling up a giant chunk of the cheapest lowest level shit and then establishing the Kingdom of WordPressia on it. Naturally because they were trying to do a lot of shit with underpowered hardware it kept fucking up all the time, hence all the support contact.

God I fucking hated that company. I hope they go bankrupt.
 
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no less than 8 hours after i credit them, the reddit retards are doing their best matt impression and burning down their subreddit (archive).

all this because the top mod won't remove otto, an automattic employee after he was caught mod-abusing and threatening users. redditors are truly some of the stupidest motherfuckers.

WP Engine have emailed all of their customers too:

Hi,

We are reaching out promptly and directly to inform you of Matt Mullenweg’s (CEO of Automattic and owner of WordPress.org) unprecedented and appalling actions on Oct 12th to forcibly appropriate the Advanced Custom Fields (ACF) plugin and .org listing. The potential impact of Mr. Mullenweg’s improper action is that millions of existing installations of ACF will be updated with code that is unapproved and untrusted by the experts on the ACF team at WP Engine. We want to highlight how you can immediately reduce your exposure and risk now, and ensure you are using the genuine ACF. If your website is hosted on WP Engine or Flywheel or you are an ACF PRO customer – you are not impacted and do not need to take any action. You will continue to get the latest updates, securely from the experts on the ACF team.


If you have a website that is NOT managed on WP Engine or Flywheel AND are using the free version of ACF you must perform a one-time download of the 6.3.8 version via advancedcustomfields.com in order to get genuine ACF updates and remain safe in the future. After this one-time download you will be able to safely update as usual via the WP Admin panel.


If your site has already updated to the modified “Secure Custom Fields” plugin, you can also follow the process above to get back to a genuine version of ACF, and should not experience any loss of configuration or data doing so before there is further change to the ACF code.


The WordPress community has trusted ACF for over a decade and the expert stewards of ACF will continue to support and enhance the capabilities that our users love and trust. If you have any questions our technical support team is standing by to support you. On behalf of our entire team, we are grateful for the continued opportunity to serve your customers, your business and team.


For a more in-depth overview of what has happened with the free ACF plugin and WordPress.org, you can read this post here.


The WP Engine Security team
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Instant_Pot_User said:
I'm absolutely pro-WordPress here because it's funny and I hate venture capitalists.
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Same here. I do not think Matt-the-autist is handling this well at all. People are saying he should shut up and be quiet because "law suit," but this is a war in the court of public opinion right now.

Wordpress is total shit software. I migrated all my stuff off of it a decade ago. At the same time, HackerNews is full of easily fooled tranny retards. We're talking about WP Engine, a company backed by Silver Lake, an asset management firm (like State St, Vanguard, Blackrock). Matt also has a lot to lose since BlueHost/Gator/etc. pay a trademark fee to his company for offering "WP Plans."


He is honestly probably in the right here. But he hasn't done well at enforcing his trademark equally and that is going to bite him in court. He's also done terribly in the court of public opinion. But I feel like he might be being played. I wonder if it's going to come out WP Engine has actually been paying his own staff or giving them incentives to leave the company or otherwise add to the drama.

Matt also mentioned "Cambridge Analytica" and "Palentier" in that Prime interview. (Palentier is the largest domestic spy software company in the world, run by Peter Thiel of the PayPal Mafia). Sure, maybe Matt is going bipolar and seeing demons that don't exist. But we're talking about SilverLake here. They are never the good guys. I think there's a lot more going on here than people think.
 
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reptile baht spaniard rid said:
Matt is going ... somewhere with all this: https://ma.tt/2024/10/on-dhh/ https://archive.ph/4yLNR

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41839864 has noticed but not said much except "wtf"
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he's also made another blog post (archive). tbh at this point i find myself bored of these two - fuck or fight already.


matt's also been deleting comments from his blog:

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the other youtuber (primeagen or however it's spelled) that interviewed matt has been walking it all back too. I probably should have checked it sooner but whatever. Here's a general archive as there are multiple tweets (archive)


i'm not sure what to make of this garbage (archive) but after looking into their names, it appears they were both hired by Matt or Matts mother and they have a pending lawsuit open (archive).
Audrey hired Attayeb and Westmoreland to provide inhome nursing and personal assistance services to Matthew's mother, Kathleen. After resigning from their roles in 2022, Attayeb and Westmoreland each filed a complaint against appellants, which alleged (among others) causes of action for violation of the Labor Code, wrongful termination, and sexual harassment.
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i'm not sure what to make of this garbage (archive) but after looking into their names, it appears they were both hired by Matt or Matts mother and they have a pending lawsuit open
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I read both of the lawsuits. The gist is that Matt is using a fake “venture capital firm” as a shell through which to pay for his obese, ill-mannered mother to be babysat 24/7 while paying less than minimum wage. Both an assistant and nurse hired by Matt have filed similar lawsuits. They have both included very credible claims of his mom going on Boomer political rants and subjecting them to descriptions of how her son fucks with Asian women (sometimes in threesomes, as mom boasts).

Matt is so much worse than anyone can imagine unless they’ve worked or spent time with him behind the scenes. So I’m biased but I believe all this shit. I hope he ruins himself financially and professionally, doing a flip on his way out.
 
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Mullenweg edited his latest blog post to remove all of the childish personal attacks and low grade insults. He only left a couple of bullet points addressing what the Rails guy said in his own post. Compare the archive to the live version:

- https://archive.ph/7ZRbY
- https://ma.tt/2024/10/on-dhh/

He's also been deleting comments.

I’ve taken this post down. I’ve been attacked so much the past few days; the most vicious, personal, hateful words poisoned my brain, and the original version of this post was mean. I am so sorry. I shouldn’t let this stuff get to me, but it clearly did, and I took it out on DHH, who, while I disagree with him on several points, isn’t the actual villain in this story: it’s WP Engine and Silver Lake.
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