MCU Television and Animation Series on Disney + - WandaVision, FATWS, Loki, etc

ScreamFace said:
It's going to be great when they recast Wolverine. There's no way it won't be awful. Jackman being cast was just pure luck and chance. They'll never be able to replicate it and you just know they'll make some dumb choice. A non-manly pretty boy, with one of those ripped bodies that don't look manly at all.
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Reading this made me remember the horrible anime wolverine.

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starborn427614 said:
Spoilers seemed to have dropped for Episode 7 of Wandavision and some stuff beyond that. Source is the same facebook page that leaked details for previous episodes.

Episode 7
- Wanda leaves the twins with Agnes while she repairs the Hex.
- Vision finds Darcy, restores her memories and they discuss his death and rebirth.
- Monica goes into the Hex to rescue Darcy and confronts Wanda with her newfound photon powers.
- They realize that the twins are missing and go to Agnes’ house, where they learn that Agnes is Agatha Harkness.
- In flashbacks, Agatha masquerades as a psychiatrist helping Wanda overcome her grief over Vision’s death in order to control her.
- Under Agatha’s influence, Wanda creates the Hex, which Agatha describes as a dream world but also a “nightmare”.
- Episode ends with Agatha once again putting Wanda under her influence.


Future spoilers
- Nightmare is the main villain. It’s unclear whether Agatha is Nightmare, working with him or being controlled by him.
- Hayward stole Vision’s body in order to reverse-engineer, weaponize and mass-produce it as Earth’s new line of defense.
- Evan Peter’s is Fox’s Quicksilver pulled into the MCU and forced into the role of Wanda’s dead brother. He gets another “Sweet Dreams” moment in the final episodes.
- According to leaked audition videos, there will be a subplot about Billy being bullied in school and Tommy wondering whether he should use his powers to help him.
- Once the Hex begins falling apart, the Twins will become very sick. At some point, Wanda will apparently be on the run with Billy, while Tommy’s fate is unknown.
- Doctor Strange appears in the final episode.
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I knew it was going to be Doctor Strange!
 
They could've fixed Monica's plot by simply having had her see Agatha doing something before originally being kicked out of the hex. It would've given her concrete evidence (even if they had her not entirely remember what she saw once she woke up) that it wasn't all Wanda rather than the current 'feelz over realz' shit they're doing with her now.

You can apply her stupid "She's experienced loss. So have I. I can connect with her, make her stop!" crap with pretty much anyone who's ever done anything wrong.
 
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Ok, what the...?
I quit reading Marvel in the first years of 21th century, but last time I checked, Agatha Harkness didn't go aroud killing random pets and being evil.
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TungstenCarbide said:
Ok, what the...?
I quit reading Marvel in the first years of 21th century, but last time I checked, Agatha Harkness didn't go aroud killing random pets and being evil.
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Hey, Thanos killed half the world's population because he wanted the Grim Reaper's pussy in the comics and Hawkeye was a more interesting character. Things change.
 
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TungstenCarbide said:
Ok, what the...?
I quit reading Marvel in the first years of 21th century, but last time I checked, Agatha Harkness didn't go aroud killing random pets and being evil.
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There's a theory saying she's possessed by either Nightmare or Mephisto, but most likely Nightmare.
 
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Tor Lugosi said:
They could've fixed Monica's plot by simply having had her see Agatha doing something before originally being kicked out of the hex. It would've given her concrete evidence (even if they had her not entirely remember what she saw once she woke up) that it wasn't all Wanda rather than the current 'feelz over realz' shit they're doing with her now.

You can apply her stupid "She's experienced loss. So have I. I can connect with her, make her stop!" crap with pretty much anyone who's ever done anything wrong.
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As far as anyone not named Vision (and I guess Darcy now) knows, none of the hostages are in any distress. As far as Monica is aware they're just trying to keep mean FBI man from nuking the hex under disproportionately harsh response.
 
KillThemCrackasBabies said:
As far as anyone not named Vision (and I guess Darcy now) knows, none of the hostages are in any distress. As far as Monica is aware they're just trying to keep mean FBI man from nuking the hex under disproportionately harsh response.
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They know all the residents have essentially been kidnapped and are being somehow mind controlled to act out a script against their will. They also now know that Wanda can increase the size of her hex field. Given that Wanda stepped out of the hex, took control of the soldiers, told them to fuck off and leave her alone, they have zero reason to not believe this is all her doing. They've also all just recently lived through the 'Snap', which involved a megalomaniac twisting reality to his will -- wanting to stop what seems to be another megalomaniac twisting reality to fit their needs seems completely reasonable.

My point was that Monica has no reason to believe that Wanda isn't the one doing all this shit beyond a tenuous emotional reason. Had Monica actually gotten a glimpse as to who was really behind all this when she was originally in the hex she would at least seem like an intelligent character with hard evidence to back up her beliefs rather than a retard whining about emotions.
 
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Tor Lugosi said:
They know all the residents have essentially been kidnapped and are being somehow mind controlled to act out a script against their will. They also now know that Wanda can increase the size of her hex field. Given that Wanda stepped out of the hex, took control of the soldiers, told them to fuck off and leave her alone, they have zero reason to not believe this is all her doing. They've also all just recently lived through the 'Snap', which involved a megalomaniac twisting reality to his will -- wanting to stop what seems to be another megalomaniac twisting reality to fit their needs seems completely reasonable.
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Given she was a fairly well established not-mutant on a team of incredibly difficult to kill super-entities, it stands to reason there's a good chance conventional weapons wouldn't kill her and just piss her off enough to deliberately make shit worse (which it ends up kind of doing anyway). The exposition makes it clear everyone is well aware of who she is, her history with Avenger's, and that she's been able to be reasoned with before.

She's under Hulk rules; trying to overpower her makes her more pissed off and then she fucks up more shit. It's very reasonable to try and argue "let' try and stop pissing her off". Whether or not Army man or whatever he is has sympathetic reasons to just want her killed and it ended, this is a universe where it's been demonstrated over and over that trying to overpower or sneak attack a super-creature always backfires. It'd be the equivalent of Tony and Thor having their little bitchfit after Ultron bails and Tony just screams "Ah he's unstable, suits kill the Viking!". First off, he's probably not going to actually kill him, and furthermore why try and immediately just murder an asset/friend.
 
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KillThemCrackasBabies said:
Given she was a fairly well established not-mutant on a team of incredibly difficult to kill super-entities, it stands to reason there's a good chance conventional weapons wouldn't kill her and just piss her off enough to deliberately make shit worse (which it ends up kind of doing anyway).
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No, there's not. There's no reason to believe a bullet to the head wouldn't kill her. Quicksilver died via fairly conventional means and was created the same way she was. She's shown no resilience to weapons that I can recall (beyond the usual hero plot armor of explosions only making people dirty and scratched up).
KillThemCrackasBabies said:
The exposition makes it clear everyone is well aware of who she is, her history with Avenger's, and that she's been able to be reasoned with before.
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Yes, before... before she took an entire town hostage, revived her dead husband, created children for herself, and made them all act out sitcom plots. What part of any of that says "She's going to listen to reason and just stop all this if we ask her nicely."? Monica's already tried to talk with her and got attacked. Twice now, actually.
KillThemCrackasBabies said:
She's under Hulk rules; trying to overpower her makes her more pissed off and then she fucks up more shit. It's very reasonable to try and argue "let' try and stop pissing her off". Whether or not Army man or whatever he is has sympathetic reasons to just want her killed and it ended, this is a universe where it's been demonstrated over and over that trying to overpower or sneak attack a super-creature always backfires. It'd be the equivalent of Tony and Thor having their little bitchfit after Ultron bails and Tony just screams "Ah he's unstable, suits kill the Viking!". First off, he's probably not going to actually kill him, and furthermore why try and immediately just murder an asset/friend.
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She didn't become more powerful the first time they pissed her off with the drone. She only ever expanded the hex once Vision was in trouble, which wasn't something they caused -- it was Vision himself trying to escape and find a way to stop all this.

Preemptive attacks against baddies don't typically work because these are super hero plots and if the villain could be taken down with an easy surprise attack every movie would be over in 10 minutes. It doesn't make it illogical for characters within the universe to still attempt them. This is like saying none of the world's militaries should ever try to combat a threat because they always prove to be ineffective in the MCU. As for Thor, none of his spats with Tony have ever amounted to anywhere close to what Wanda's doing.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
No, there's not. There's no reason to believe a bullet to the head wouldn't kill her. Quicksilver died via fairly conventional means and was created the same way she was. She's shown no resilience to weapons that I can recall (beyond the usual hero plot armor of explosions only making people dirty and scratched up).

Yes, before... before she took an entire town hostage, revived her dead husband, created children for herself, and made them all act out sitcom plots. What part of any of that says "She's going to listen to reason and just stop all this if we ask her nicely."? Monica's already tried to talk with her and got attacked. Twice now, actually.

She didn't become more powerful the first time they pissed her off with the drone. She only ever expanded the hex once Vision was in trouble, which wasn't something they caused -- it was Vision himself trying to escape and find a way to stop all this.

Preemptive attacks against baddies don't typically work because these are super hero plots and if the villain could be taken down with an easy surprise attack every movie would be over in 10 minutes. It doesn't make it illogical for characters within the universe to still attempt them. This is like saying none of the world's militaries should ever try to combat a threat because they always prove to be ineffective in the MCU. As for Thor, none of his spats with Tony have ever amounted to anywhere close to what Wanda's doing.
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Because again, the show has done (almost to a comical extent) repeatedly hammered over and over again that Scarlet Witch is a big deal. As far as they're aware the hostages aren't in danger, or even aware of what's happening. It's a hysterical woman throwing a tantrum and at worst threatening "No really if you come at me again, then I'm going to kill you". Even the last episode smacks the viewer over the head with how she's not intentionally going to ever hurt anyone, even after threatening Monica that she would.

Remember in Iron Man 2 when he was drunk and putting people in danger by sperging out in the Iron Man suit? And how the solution wasn't "Well just kill him?" Remember how it's demonstrated repeatedly that trying to kill the Hulk while he's hulking out is a retarded idea that makes things worse? It's the same concept. They're trying to talk down someone who had been reasoned with before. They even explicitly talk about her fighting Thanos, something that would obviously be viewed as heroic and noble. "A couple of weeks ago she almost singlehandedly killed the doomsday alien that murdered fucking everyone, but she's being a silly goose now so just ice the bitch"? Way less reasonable than what you're arguing.

She didn't become more powerful the first time they pissed her off with the drone.
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Not stronger, she's already strong. It was her first direct threat of violence; something she hadn't done before they fucked with her first.

tl;dr there was no reason to use the "nuclear option" immediately, which Army man tried. There's a spectrum of
 
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I don't care to look at any leaks, but I'm guessing next episode is going to be a flashback to when Wanda took Vision's body. Do you think it'll be a full episode thing or just part of it? I'm also curious to see if the last two (or even just the last) episodes will be longer than the ~half hour per ep we've had so far. The last one has to be longer just to round up all the main plot points (Agatha keikaku, what happens to the twins and will they continue existing, will Vision die a third time, Hayward vs WandaVision, if a third party is involved with the hex, what is Pietro's deal, Wanda's future and how that leads to DS2 and maybe a few more).
 
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KillThemCrackasBabies said:
tl;dr there was no reason to use the "nuclear option" immediately, which Army man tried. There's a spectrum of
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I actually don't disagree with you here. My point was never that Hayward is 100% right and should immediately kill her. It was that Monica not viewing Wanda as a threat at all and immediately knowing she's innocent based on nothing more than emotions (her entire reasoning essentially being "We've both experienced loss, so I 100% know her true thoughts and feelings") is weak writing that could have easily been fixed by giving her a piece of concrete evidence that let her know Wanda wasn't behind everything.
 
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