War Meet ‘Dissenter’: A far-right ‘comment section’ for hating on journalists

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Have you ever hated journalists so much that you wanted to create an online commenting system just so you could complain about them behind their backs? Well, we have good news for you. If you’re a card-carrying member of the far-right, you can now shout into the void with Gab‘s new social media platform Dissenter, the self-described “comment section of the internet.” It’s basically StumbleUpon for people who voted for Trump.

Dissenter lets posters share a URL, comment on it, and see if others also have opinions. While the site essentially lets users discuss articles in a centralized place, it also doubles as a stomping ground for randomly complaining about things on the internet. Tweets, YouTube videos, and articles discussing Dissenter regularly flood the service, with very little constructive discussion actually going on in the site. It’s mostly just an echo chamber for conservative users who want to complain about feminism or Democrats. Hell, you can even install a browser extension to see what your right-wing buddies are saying while you browse through Breitbart.

It’s easy to see why Gab created Dissenter. While most news sites have gradually removed their comments sections amid harassment and dogpiling against journalists—the Daily Dot retired its comments section in 2015—Dissenter is trying to give its users a place to mobilize against mainstream news media and lash out collectively.

For the record, slurs are commonly found on Dissenter and they range from racial epithets to homophobic comments.

Gab creator Andrew Torba acts as if the Dissenter is a free speech haven, but “free speech” isn’t absolute. There are limits to what one can and should say in a public space. And besides, there are already thousands of other news aggregate websites out there with minimal moderation, letting users pretty much say what they want. Reddit is a classic example. So is Mastodon’s fediverse.

Of course, this is Gab we’re talking about. Gab is a notorious hot spot for the alt-right. The site played home to Tree of Life mass shooter Robert Bowers, who posted to the site before killing 11 and injuring seven during morning Shabbat services. “Free speech” is just a cover here. Dissenter isn’t about protecting the First Amendment; it’s about letting its users punch down on marginalized journalists, Twitter users, and public figures.

For the record, things are going just as you would expect on Dissenter right now. The Daily Dot gained access to Dissenter via this reporter’s Gab account (however, anyone can see posts on Dissenter; you just need a Gab account to join and post). Articles from far-right sources such as Breitbart, the Gateway Pundit, and Info Wars are commonly posted on Dissenter, and more often than not, users simply copy and paste tweets onto the platform and comment on them.


Discussions vary. One post calls House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) an “evil Satanic bitch” whose “time is ending, the pain in [sic] incoming.” Another claims “everyone working and earning more knows that things are way better under President Trump.” A third post lashes out at Rotten Tomatoes after the site closed its “Want To See” system amid misogynistic review-bombing over Captain Marvel, with one woman claiming the movie’s “primary actor went out of her way to alienate the audience, and succeeded.”

At times, comments are verbal diarrhea and difficult to understand. In a rant filled with improper grammar and spelling errors, a user claims LGBTQ activists “want to marry your 3-year-old” and “be women with a willy-dilly.”

“[Trans women want to] sell their unborn as a vulgar piece of meat at the butcher around the corner Trans your 5 year old so they can make it a sex slave And much worse,” one commenter complains. “See the inhuman mental illness level?”

Journalists are a common target on Dissenter, and users regularly turn to publications’ homepages as venting grounds. CNN is a favorite to hate on, with users calling it “fake news.” Meanwhile, visit Dissenter’s BuzzFeed’s page and you’ll see users spamming “learn to code,” an insult hurled at journalists to imply that they should switch to the tech industry after being laid off. The Kotaku page’s comment section shows a long list of users posting the #Gamergate hashtag, with some complaining about the site’s reporting.

“‘Games Journalism’ activist website,” one Dissenter user complained about Kotaku Wednesday night. “Not a real video games news website. Can’t seem to keep politics separate from gaming either.”

Dissenter is particularly sensitive to criticism, and negative reporting can lead to endless criticism in a far-right hugbox. Case in point, after Vice’s David Gilbert penned a report criticizing Dissenter, users shared the URL and claimed Gilbert’s writing was “slander” and part of a “smear.” One poster called Vice “fake news,” while another wrote, “learn to code.” Even Torba jumped into the post, arguing Gab “is not a ‘far-right social network.'”

“No comment section on Vice? What a surprise. Not anymore!” Torba wrote on his own site. (The Daily Dot reached out to Torba for comment for this report.)

Dissenter isn’t doing anything new for the internet. It’s just an extension for the alt-right, one to help them mobilize against journalists, critics, and progressive websites. That shouldn’t be surprising. If you’re really looking for a space to share your opinions without “rampant corporate censorship,” as Torba claimed in an email to Gab users, there are already plenty of alternative social media networks out there that let you share your voice as long as you aren’t a bigot. But if you’re headed to Gab or Dissenter, you aren’t there to post in good faith.

“All of the right people are mad about Dissenter. According to plan. They can’t stop it. They can’t do anything about it. It’s glorious,” Torba posted on his Gab account.

One hour later, Gab was apparently having maintenance issues. That didn’t stop Torba from getting defensive when HuffPost’s Jessica Schulberg pointed this out.

 
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Behind their backs? Does anything prevent journos from reading this dissenter place? Or is it more like "Where we can't have dissenting opinions silenced"?

Ihope that sort of slip is being noticed. The fucking authoritarianism of what is supposed to be the people's instrument against it. The press is supposed to be there exposing shittiness done by people in power, in naive theory. Obviously in real life they exist to make money, but there has been money to be made exposing those sorts of things. It seems like it's more than financial now, and it's weird that one school of thought would come to so thoroughly dominate most of journalism the way it has.

Part of it, I suspect, is that social justice ideas are a lot of the time counterintuitive, thus shocking, and attention grabbing. The fact that this nonsense caught on just feeds the beast, now you get to advance the shocking crazy nonsense ideas AND call anyone opposed to them bigots and nazis. Then you grandstand on this new claim, and the cycle repeats.

I'd think there would be more of a market for quality opposition to it, but what really is there besides fox? And they aren't that great. You mostly have to look to lots of various independent sources.
They have their heads so far up their own asses. They think they’re the 4th estate and above being held accountable. They’re upset the public wants to hold them accountable and object to their bullshit when they lie or force an agenda.
 
They have their heads so far up their own asses. They think they’re the 4th estate and above being held accountable. They’re upset the public wants to hold them accountable and object to their bullshit when they lie or force an agenda.

And that's because they think the power and importance of their positions is their compensation for the fact most of them make shit pay. "Well, at least nobody can deny that what I do is important!" they thought as they wrote more and more opinion pieces, celebrity updates, and identity politics garbage articles masquerading as news.

And then people started laughing at them and they started losing their shit-paying jobs. No wonder they started sperging out.
 
. So it’s about letting its users punch down on marginalized journalists, Twitter users, and public figures.

. If you’re really looking for a space to share your opinions without “rampant corporate censorship,” as Torba claimed in an email to Gab users, there are already plenty of alternative social media networks out there that let you share your voice as long as you aren’t a bigot. ]

public figures

marginalized

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

And plenty of alternatives? What would those be, pray tell?
 
I think adding a comment section sidebar to every website is hilarious. It's a slap to people like Ana Valens, who believe free speech only applies to their narrative and everyone else needs be silenced/disappear off the street. It's also practical for adding discussion sections back to sites that got rid of them because of "trolls," like IMDB.

The downside is that it has the potential to be abused by idiots. There's also nothing stopping these sites from coming up with an algorithm so URLS aren't static, confusing and breaking the system.
 
Yep, watch, the next thing will be hit/panic pieces about how Dissenter is full of "hackers" because of just that.
 
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They have their heads so far up their own asses. They think they’re the 4th estate and above being held accountable. They’re upset the public wants to hold them accountable and object to their bullshit when they lie or force an agenda.

The internet has made it really easy to present yourself as a journalist. Anyone can make a Medium or Wordpress blog, or write something for Buzzfeed's opinion section. The line between news and opinion/entertainment gets very blurry.
 
  • Delete comments section because they dislike opinion
  • Ban everyone off Twitter
  • Ban them off YouTube
  • Moderate all comments and delete wrong-think

"Wow! Everyone agrees with me, I've destroyed these ideas!"

- Make app to circumvent suppression of speech

"HOW DARE THEY TALK WHEN I'VE SILENCED THEM"
 
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Some cursory searching shows that that Galen Thurber guy would have possibly many years ago made a fine lolcow, his internet past is rich with unbridled lunacy. His comment about the reviews being inflated? When he made that review the extension had few reviews, several 5-star reviews, one 3-star, and those three 1-star reviews.
 
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Some cursory searching shows that that Galen Thurber guy would have possibly many years ago made a fine lolcow, his internet past is rich with unbridled lunacy. His comment about the reviews being inflated? When he made that review the extension had few reviews, several 5-star reviews, one 3-star, and those three 1-star reviews.

I see Mozilla's still taking money from George Soros' baby-eating hands.
 
There are still journalists doing good work who deserve to be treated better. Journalists who usually work for local papers or specialty sites, journalists who are actually willing and able to uncover truth and have a standard of ethics and at least aren't actively trying to insert biases into their reporting.

Lol name some.

Also, the system doesn't punish bad actors, it rewards them. The worst actors in journalism are promoted to editorial boards.
 
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Dissenter User said:
"...“free speech” isn’t absolute. There are limits to what one can and should say in a public space. And besides, there are already thousands of other news aggregate websites out there with minimal moderation, letting users pretty much say what they want. Reddit is a classic example. So is Mastodon’s fediverse..."
  1. Wrong, free speech is absolute. That is what a principle is: absolute. It is either free, or it isn't.
  2. In a "public space" the "limits" to what one "can" or "should" say are determined by social cues, negotiation, and principle. In the "public space" of political commentary, those limits are already provided for us, by a handy rule of thumb called individual liberty - a principle that underlies a little thing you might have heard of, called the first amendment.
  3. "There are other sites that do not moderate" is not an argument against Dissenter. It's an argument for it, you moron. (a) if there's no reason in principle to shut down Mastodon or Reddit, then there's no reason in principle to shut down Dissenter. What's more, if Mastodon and Reddit are not meeting the market demand, then it should be clear from market demand for Dissenter, which there obviously is -- and one of the ways we can tell that there is, is because THE DAILY DOT IS WHINGING ABOUT IT.

Less than two weeks after dissenter's release (February 24th, 2019), Google releases\announces Jigsaw.
Literally Hal-9000 but for moderating some sites and to kill dissenter.

Ironic how google in 2010 released a tool to go anonymous in such countries with restrictive government, and now they're doing the exact opposite.
 
Bitch, we'd prefer to insult your idiocy in public, but you block anyone that tangentially disagrees.

Does anyone else find it hilarious that Dissenter started as a project Google worked on before its big marketing associates killed it, only to be revived by that Gab guy?
 
Sorry about the double post.
It appears that some idiots haven't been using Dissenter properly, so much that they've had to put this banner, which also links to the Gab's community guidelines (<tinfoil>or maybe it was some leftist vigilante pretending to be a rightwing extremist so they'll take this tool down. What a genius, if that's the (very unlike) case</tinfoil>):
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This is probably related to the NZ's shooting, due to that psycho spewing a load of memes (and now people look at me weird whenever I quote a meme. No,really, thank you, idiot. And also the Italian Television\Radio now broadcasts all kind of Left propaganda. No,seriously.)
 
I checked Dissenter earlier this week to see what interesting info was being posted and all the comments were on youtube videos by nobodies. What a good idea thats being wasted here.

edit: I check it again and its suddenly good, though it still needs a layout update. I guess something must have happened recently to make people want to get around censorship?
 
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