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Polock said:
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Thorry thir doing my besthst!
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Cross over guns actually have a long and storied history:
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There are lots of very desirable guns out there that are cheap and go unsold because they are cross over stocked.
 
I've been robbed of some seriously good EBT chimpouts, but I did buy up a 1000 of winchester .223 green tips for the range/self-defense pile for next time.

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Would you like to LARP as John Dillinger but don't have the cash for a Transferable converted 1911? Well be relieved for guntrepeneur Pembleton & Sons is working on a 1911 FRT, he said it should be available in 5 business days


Good look at the upcoming DIY 5.56 beltfed coming from Black Lotus Coalition
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Proprietary printed belt links
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"This is stupid"
"I don't like 3D Printed guns"
"idz gonna melt"

Silence, hit the CAD if you want your own belt fed design nigga. There's this guy running this really promising low cost consumer Wire EDM start up, in 5 years there's a good chance you'll be able to wire EDM sheet metal flats for this and bend them in place with printed stamping dies and a Harbor freight press (works wit HK flats)

Presentation model GSH-18, 3 Idlib Bullpup conversions and a Finnish Valmet in Syria
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Filipino islamist.militiaman with Turkish R-56 dual feed rifle using drum magazine instead of belts
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Sudanese RSF fighter with KAC M110
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Chinese made revolver allegedly in .410
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Chinese cornershot
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Customized Sudanese contract AR-10 in Yemen
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Prototype improved Howa Type 20 rifle, AR stock and extended handguard
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Ethiopian Fano rebel with RP-46
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Storm-Bolter, do you like?
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NeonFlux said:
I've been robbed of some seriously good EBT chimpouts, but I did buy up a 1000 of winchester .223 green tips for the range/self-defense pile for next time.

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Nice. Lake City or Mississippi production?


Speaking of Winchester, they had their earnings call a couple of weeks ago and admitted to massive losses last quarter on the commercial side. These losses were made up for with increased military sales. This was due to them heavily discounting stuff to move excess inventory. One of the interesting things to come out of Q&A was the CEO of Olin (parent company of Winchester) announcing they are going from a make to inventory system to a make to order system. This is a major deal. The way all ammo manufacturing works is the company will forecast demand ahead of time and make stock to keep a certain amount of inventory for the distributors to buy. When inventory numbers hit a low enough number they make another production run.

What he wants to go to is make to order. This what this does is not schedule production runs until an order is placed. When it comes to ammo manufacturing the production cost savings is from setting up and running a fairly long production run before changing products. When you are Winchester and have 500+ SKUs and 100+ calibers to keep going it’s going to be hard. I think if they go forward with this you will see many of the niche calibers product lines get much harder to get as without significant distributor orders they can’t justify setting up on it.

If I had to guess I would expect stuff like PowerMax Bonded, Big Bore, and Super Suppressed to either get very hard to get or go away all together. This is also going to annoy distributors as they are basically off loading inventory to the distributors.
 
I just noticed Atlantic Firearms has original surplus VZ.61 Skorpion barrels in stock and discounted to $55. I got a couple kits without barrels 12-18 months ago and remember how hard it was to find barrels much less originals. They also have new production. The parts kit with cut receiver is also on sale.


One day I shall attempt a reweld.
 
SaidNoOneEver said:
I just noticed Atlantic Firearms has original surplus VZ.61 Skorpion barrels in stock and discounted to $55. I got a couple kits without barrels 12-18 months ago and remember how hard it was to find barrels much less originals. They also have new production. The parts kit with cut receiver is also on sale.


One day I shall attempt a reweld.
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I'm building a second one
Bowman kits might be a better option
I just bought a tortort (was 250 a few days ago)
You will get raped when buying a trigger guard if your kit doesn't come with one btw (looks like Atlantic does)
The receiver pictured also looks cut pretty well, the bowman one I got looks like it was cut by a monkey.
 
xf7ub2LMGZj%yV said:
I'm building a second one
Bowman kits might be a better option
I just bought a tortort (was 250 a few days ago)
You will get raped when buying a trigger guard if your kit doesn't come with one btw (looks like Atlantic does)
The receiver pictured also looks cut pretty well, the bowman one I got looks like it was cut by a monkey.
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I picked up one of these on a whim about 18 months ago and then another 6 months later when they dropped the price to $150: https://max-arms.com/product/vz-61-kit-32acp-matching-parts-kit/

This guy made a helpful series on rewelding the vz.61 and he sells a jig that's pretty nice. In the first video he shows a quick way to check how bad your cut pieces are that I appreciated since before then I really didn't know what I was looking at besides jagged hunks of metal.


I mentioned rewelding and posted these yesterday in a Guntuber thread discussion thinking I was here!
 
After having multiple Glocks and a S&W I decided to get an “Italian” (Made in USA)
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It’s just as Italian as our dear feeder
 
M27 IAR fucking died
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Tactical Tokarev
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Krag style magazine on a bolt action handgun
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Weight and Length comparison between the CAT Spooky and the nearly 15 year old SilencerCo ASR mounting systems
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SiCo could shave a little bit of weight if they removed the portion beyond the adapter threads like B&T did with their gen 2 surefire adapters. Also, can anyone tell me what Exactly Mike Pappas's problem was with ASR besides it being associated with SiencerCo and him hating everything SilencerCo? He called in a cancer and called his mounting system KeyMo (Chemo)
Filipino m1 Carbine converted to 5.56 using what looks like an M16 barrel
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Cuban Corner Shot RPK
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Dual PKT for anti drone use
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RPL-20 in short configuration
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I'd like to engage this thread in a mental exercise, A question, why haven't more belt fed machineguns been designed to utilize Czech URZ or Russian OTs-124/128/142 style "Integral Belt Box Feed Mechanisms" (IBBFM), a term I literally just made up?. The system allows for rapid reloading, protects cartridges from the outside elements (although this admittedly can't be too much of an issue because most belt feds just have their belts exposed to the environment before being fed into the receiver and nobody has en masse moved to change this), the belt boxes much like conventional ones are much easier to load and more reliable than drum magazines and the system inherently allows for monolithic receivers which in addition to zero retention for optics allows for a greater variety of optics and clip-on's to be utilized. So why doesn't every machinegun use an IBBFM mechanism? As far as I know The Czech's came up with it in the 60's, the US Army held a patent for a similar mechanism in the 80's and the Russians started playing with the OTS-124/128 in the late 2010's and made the OTs-142 fairy recently. So what's the hold up? Institutional inertia? Boomer fudds resisting change? Some inherent flaw in the concept? (The only criticism I can think of is "well what if the feed system on the belt boxes gets dirty" and I would say that's roughly equivalent to "What if the feed lips on these newfangled magazines get dirty", magazine pouches do a fine job of protecting them, why not IBBFM boxes?).
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Also related to this, I'd like to outline my personal classification for an emerging sub class of firearms that I've briefly touched on before. The Big Assault Rife (BAR)

BAR's are lightweight belt fed machineguns in intermediate cartridges designed to put as much firepower in the hands of s single man at the lightest weight possible, they are action agnostic and can either have Quick change and non quick change barrels. Examples include the KAC LAMG, FN Evolys, the Ultimax MK9 and a few others. The IBBFM systems make perfect sense for these and the Russians even have an example, the OTs-142.

The ideal BAR should have the following features and attributes
-Lightweight
-Open bolt of some kind
-Belt fed
-IBBFM (and resulting monolithic rail)
-Constant recoil action.
-Tuned to work with some form of lightweight ammunition solution
-Designed from the ground up to be suppressed
-Lowish rate of fire for ammunition conservation and controllability
-Automatically opening and closing dust cover, whether it be the FNC/Galil Ace style were it's a spring loaded plate forced down/up by an exterior charging handle or the PKM style where it's actuated by the forward and rearward movement of the bolt.
 

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