Mega Rad Gun Thread

[The Dude]

I find full auto overrated, a 9mm carbine in full auto would be controllable but even 5.56 goes all over the place imho.

That's why I want a KAC AMG. It only weighs 13lbs, is a belt-fed 7.62x51mm, and is extremely controllable due to operating on the long recoil principle. Kind of a cross between a combat rifle and squad automatic weapon.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

That's why I want a KAC AMG. It only weighs 13lbs, is a belt-fed 7.62x51mm, and is extremely controllable due to operating on the long recoil principle. Kind of a cross between a combat rifle and squad automatic weapon.

<3 "belt-fed"

 

[The Dude]

<3 "belt-fed"

This is it.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

And now for something completely different...

Spoiler: Allah Snackbyaaarr

AAARRRGGGGHH Me Matey!!! Rebels Use Pirate Cannon In Combat

Just when you thought you’ve seen it all, an ancient pirate cannon sends a cannon ball sailing in and destroys that incorrect assumption.

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[Jewthulhu]

Anyone been following the Army's NGSW program? Textron is apparently out of the race so it's looking like it's either going to the SIG MCX or the General Dynamics RM-277. From the limited information I can find the MCX looks like the better choice (based on it being more like the M16 platform and using a more conventional brass-steel ammunition) but who knows. Maybe it will all get scrapped like the 1990s ACR program.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Anyone been following the Army's NGSW program? Textron is apparently out of the race so it's looking like it's either going to the SIG MCX or the General Dynamics RM-277. From the limited information I can find the MCX looks like the better choice (based on it being more like the M16 platform and using a more conventional brass-steel ammunition) but who knows. Maybe it will all get scrapped like the 1990s ACR program.

That bullpup looks ugly compared to the SIG MCX.

SIG MCX VIRTUS Patrol

Configurable in more than 500 combinations, the ground-breaking and modular MCX VIRTUS is ready for any mission.

www.sigsauer.com

Also what happened to the HK416?

 

[Jewthulhu]

That bullpup looks ugly compared to the SIG MCX.

Yeah, the RM-277 is ugly as fuck imo. (picture for reference)

Also what happened to the HK416?

Don't think the 416 was ever a contender. NGSW is entirely built around adopting the 6.8mm. I know the USMC adopted the M27 back in 2017, but if this goes through there's a good chance that will be scrapped as the NGSW program is supposed to replace the SAW and M240 as well (which was the intent of adopting the M27).

I know France is adopting the 416 though, and there's some rumblings from England about it as well. Though whether or not the US strongarms NATO into adopting the 6.8mm like they did with the 5.56 and 7.62 remains to be seen (honestly, that would be pretty funny).

 

[White Devil]

That RM-277 looks like the future gun from Terminator. I'd post a picture, but mobile posting at work.

 

[MrJokerRager]

So what are the odds that this is going to SCOTUS.

Court upholds California ban on high-capacity magazines

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned two lower court judges and upheld California’s ban on high-capacity magazines Tuesday in a split decision that may be headed for the U.S. Supreme Co…

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Duncan V Bonta - large cap mags: en banc LOSS 11-30-21, Mandate STAYED - Calguns.net

Duncan V Bonta - large cap mags: en banc LOSS 11-30-21, Mandate STAYED 2nd Amend. Litigation Updates & Legal Discussion

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[Pocket Dragoon]

Spoiler: 44 S&W 629 Self-Disassembles

Spoiler: Top-strap buried in the ceiling

Spoiler: 'tis just a flesh wound

The culprit? As always; a reloader, with 30+ years of experience.

From TFB

"Jacob didn’t recall which powder the .44 Magnum was loaded with, but remembered that his original load data was to use 11 grains of powder."

Pretty sure there lies his problem. If he couldn't recall afterwards, it means he wasn't using pen & paper for those loads & was working them up on the fly.

Complacency has it's own rewards, at least for the internet. Stay safe when using things that go boom this season, fam.

 

[Marvin]

So what are the odds that this is going to SCOTUS.

Court upholds California ban on high-capacity magazines

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned two lower court judges and upheld California’s ban on high-capacity magazines Tuesday in a split decision that may be headed for the U.S. Supreme Co…

fox5sandiego.com

Duncan V Bonta - large cap mags: en banc LOSS 11-30-21, Mandate STAYED - Calguns.net

Duncan V Bonta - large cap mags: en banc LOSS 11-30-21, Mandate STAYED 2nd Amend. Litigation Updates & Legal Discussion

www.calguns.net

The dissent's comment about "commonly used" is very interesting because that's the Heller standard. And it's really a good argument, Glock 17's standard mag is 17 rounds. How are they going to argue that's unusual? I think it'll go to SCOTUS.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

Yeah, the RM-277 is ugly as fuck imo. (picture for reference)

Don't think the 416 was ever a contender. NGSW is entirely built around adopting the 6.8mm. I know the USMC adopted the M27 back in 2017, but if this goes through there's a good chance that will be scrapped as the NGSW program is supposed to replace the SAW and M240 as well (which was the intent of adopting the M27).

I know France is adopting the 416 though, and there's some rumblings from England about it as well. Though whether or not the US strongarms NATO into adopting the 6.8mm like they did with the 5.56 and 7.62 remains to be seen (honestly, that would be pretty funny).

I know that there's been some military adoption of gear from the competition scene (LPVOs, etc.), but I'm genuinely surprised to see offset irons on that thing.

 

[Vexillology]

The dissent's comment about "commonly used" is very interesting because that's the Heller standard. And it's really a good argument, Glock 17's standard mag is 17 rounds. How are they going to argue that's unusual? I think it'll go to SCOTUS.

Miller held that short-barreled shotguns weren't protected due to their alleged lack of a military application. Courts are allowed to "find" things to be true and come to provably-false conclusions.

 

[UVB-76]

I know the USMC adopted the M27 back in 2017, but if this goes through there's a good chance that will be scrapped as the NGSW program is supposed to replace the SAW and M240 as well (which was the intent of adopting the M27).

They replaced about 1/3rd of the SAWs and retained the M240s last time I checked. The IAR was just their backdoor way to replace their rifles.

 

[AGPinochet]

Anyone been following the Army's NGSW program? Textron is apparently out of the race so it's looking like it's either going to the SIG MCX or the General Dynamics RM-277. From the limited information I can find the MCX looks like the better choice (based on it being more like the M16 platform and using a more conventional brass-steel ammunition) but who knows. Maybe it will all get scrapped like the 1990s ACR program.

Everything within it is unconfirmed but this post alleges that Only the Sig gun remains in addition to Big Army wanting less hot ammo

NGSW Reset / Change in Direction

I have received confirmation from an industry source that GD-OTS / Lone Star / True Velocity are now out of the NGSW competition while Textron has voluntarily exited the program. This leaves SIG as the only remaining contender. Second, there now appears to be widespread acceptance within US Army...

forums.delphiforums.com

I know that there's been some military adoption of gear from the competition scene (LPVOs, etc.), but I'm genuinely surprised to see offset irons on that thing.

They would be completely necessary because dumbass grunts are going to drain the battery on their 2.5lb Aimbot superscopes before any engagement actually begins because they're rangefinding every rock, tree and goat herder they can see.

 

[The Dude]

Anyone been following the Army's NGSW program? Textron is apparently out of the race so it's looking like it's either going to the SIG MCX or the General Dynamics RM-277. From the limited information I can find the MCX looks like the better choice (based on it being more like the M16 platform and using a more conventional brass-steel ammunition) but who knows. Maybe it will all get scrapped like the 1990s ACR program.

If the SIG weapons and ammo pass and get adopted, I do hope they make versions for the civilian market. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I tend to like keeping at least one primary weapon chambered for whatever cartridge the military is using. I know SIG's bi-metal case technology has already found it's way into their civilian ammunition line, but I really like that rifle and cartridge.

I know that there's been some military adoption of gear from the competition scene (LPVOs, etc.), but I'm genuinely surprised to see offset irons on that thing.

Part of the program is to develop a smart variable power optic to improve longer range accuracy of the individual rifleman. So they just have to range their target and the optic will automatically adjust the reticle of the optic for that range. No muss, no fuss, no guesswork, no BDC reticle hashmarks.

 

[Meat Target]

That bullpup looks ugly compared to the SIG MCX.

All bullpups are fugly as sin. Especially the Steyr AUG(ly). That thing makes my eyes bleed.

 

[AGPinochet]

I do hope they make versions for the civilian market.

You're in luck because Sig has said they plan to do so, now what Cartridge it would be chambered in is another thing, but and while I could be wrong, I think Sig wants to do 3 versions. One on .308, one in 6.5 Creed and another in .277 Sig Fury or a civilian 6.8 loading. However I am entirely unsure about that last one

The answers you seek can probably be found in this video

The Sig Sauer MCX Spear NGSW Rifle

In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves meets with Jason St. John of the Sig Defense Strategies group to talk about Sig’s entry for the NGSW (“Next Generation...

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Part of the program is to develop a smart variable power optic to improve longer range accuracy of the individual rifleman. So they just have to range their target and the optic will automatically adjust the reticle of the optic for that range. No muss, no fuss, no guesswork, no BDC reticle hashmarks.

It's also going to weigh 2.5lbs on a 7-9lb rifle equipped with a 1-2lb suppressor and drain batteries like a motherfucker based on how L3 Harris said the battery life can be "up to 3 days" in the absolute best scenario with presumably little or no use of the laser rangefinder.

 

[MrJokerRager]

So why is the 5.56mm being replaced with the 6.8 as I don't have the will to buy another gun lol just for 6.8mm.

 

[Jewthulhu]

All bullpups are fugly as sin. Especially the Steyr AUG(ly). That thing makes my eyes bleed.

P90 is technically a bullpup and I think that looks nice. But for the most part, you're right. Bullpups are ugly as fuck and really have no advantage over a traditional gun either unless you plan on being in and out of a vehicle constantly.

So why is the 5.56mm being replaced with the 6.8 as I don't have the will to buy another gun lol just for 6.8mm.

Body armor's becoming much more common. Russia just modernized their body armor, China's working on adopting body armor, and even the insurgent cells in the middle east are starting to get ahold of body armor. What the army wants is an intermediate cartridge with the ability to penetrate level IV armor at 600 m.

Now if the forum post @AGPinochet shared is to be believed, the idiots in charge might have realized that asking for a higher powered cartridge in a lightweight gun means there's going to be a lot more wear on the barrel and are looking into the 6.5 instead.