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Club Sandwich said:
CAI imports tend to be all right if they are imported as a complete rifle that CAI just adds compliance parts to. CAI gets into trouble when they try to actually make something (typically through subcontractors but sometimes in house). then you get into issues where it's hard to determine problems without doing your own inspection and knowing what you're looking at, for example some trouble with the RAS47 trunnion or the L1A1 type III receivers out of Arizona.

do you have a specific import in mind?
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Not really I just saw a century import with Canadian marks on it at my LGS, and was a little curious. Since they want like $1700 for a sporterized FAL with a fucked up handguard and that seemed a bit off to me.
 
Meat Target said:
there's a reason for the nickname "Poverty Pony".
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the term was coined because Andersen followed DPMS in selling components in blister packs with cardstock backing, including receivers. this is not "premium" enough for some people. you can always shell out for a transferable Colt receiver to avoid the "poverty pony" label.

White Devil said:
Poor QC. They weren't always so bad. Their lubeless gimmick is just that though.
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other than a less than pleasing finish, i've never encountered an Andersen part that was unserviceable, dangerous, or significantly blemished to the point where it wasn't fit for purpose. the RF85 treatment is a real thing for hard steel but does nothing for aluminum or soft materials because teflon impregnated anodizing and most nitriding methods are typically offering similar coefficients to calcium inclusion treatment (RF85) to typical alloys.

what's an advantage is the ability to reduce costs of manufacturing on hardened steels to steel that has been chrome plated for lubricity, heat resistance, wear resistance, and additional hardness by using calcium inclusion methods for something like the bolt or barrel extension. there is an additional advantage in having no meaningful dimensional changes to the part either as you might get with plating in areas where clearance is critical like in locking lugs.

calcium inclusion is better than untreated hardened steel, and marginally better than phosphating both would likely require lubrication for reliable operation. does that mean calcium inclusion can replace traditional lubricating oil? probably not in extreme cases, but maybe for very light duty use in relatively clean environments where you still remove debris it can certainly do the job well enough.
 
Club Sandwich said:
the term was coined because Andersen followed DPMS in selling components in blister packs with cardstock backing, including receivers. this is not "premium" enough for some people. you can always shell out for a transferable Colt receiver to avoid the "poverty pony" label.


other than a less than pleasing finish, i've never encountered an Andersen part that was unserviceable, dangerous, or significantly blemished to the point where it wasn't fit for purpose. the RF85 treatment is a real thing for hard steel but does nothing for aluminum or soft materials because teflon impregnated anodizing and most nitriding methods are typically offering similar coefficients to calcium inclusion treatment (RF85) to typical alloys.
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I've also never personally had issues with Anderson but I know several people who have.
 
Anderson is the sole reason for the offset buffer retainer after drilling the hole too far back on a surprising many of receivers, which led to bent retainers and chewed up buffers.
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WhoBusTank69 said:
I've heard absolutely nothing, positive or negative, about their uppers, but then most people flock to PSA instead.
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For there being a surprising amount of things that can go wrong in an AR upper, I rarely hear anything about general problems from specific manufacturers (aside from PSA). But then again, I hear people constantly shitting on whatever-brand lowers they have while playing mixmaster with bolt carriers/gas keys, buffers, springs, etc.

It makes me wonder how many lemon uppers are out there, with everything attached to them essentially being a factory nigger-rig just to make the rifles work (that often require "tuning" by the end user).
 
Pocket Dragoon said:
For there being a surprising amount of things that can go wrong in an AR upper, I rarely hear anything about general problems from specific manufacturers (aside from PSA). But then again, I hear people constantly shitting on whatever-brand lowers they have while playing mixmaster with bolt carriers/gas keys, buffers, springs, etc.

It makes me wonder how many lemon uppers are out there, with everything attached to them essentially being a factory nigger-rig just to make the rifles work (that often require "tuning" by the end user).
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I know a few people who cheaped out and got PSAs to use as patrol rifles. QC was laughably terrible on all of them. Pieces over torqued, keyholing, etc.

I wouldn't use PSA shit if someone paid me.
 
White Devil said:
I know a few people who cheaped out and got PSAs to use as patrol rifles. QC was laughably terrible on all of them. Pieces over torqued, keyholing, etc.

I wouldn't use PSA shit if someone paid me.
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Like they couldn't shoot properly or blew up or were like Star Wars Mook weapons?
 
White Devil said:
Pieces over torqued
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the number 1 issue i've had with PSA uppers individually purchased by an officer for duty use that have been in my shop was a complaint from the officer that it was keyholing and each time i've examined the rifle it's the barrel nut that's over-torqued to some absurd amount. some Bushmaster and Stag Arms rifles have had this problem too, although i haven't seen issues with those in a long time. that being said, i've seen all kinds of strange issues with officer-purchased firearms authorized for duty use rather than an issued from the department armory. the vast majority of PSA made uppers (and other "budget" brands like Del-ton and Bear Creek) were perfectly serviceable and had no issues although not exactly the best rifles i've seen. the lowers also were fine, however i have only seen a small percent of these mix master rifles brought to me to fix. i'm sure many had minor issues or the shooter just shrugs off problems that "go away" after a while.

smaller municipal or contract cities, and smaller counties tend to have a lot more leeway for officers to buy their own weapons and so the rate of issues can creep up purely by the numbers. if you sell 100 uppers and 1 has an issue, people often shrug. if you sell 100,000 uppers and 1,000 have an issue, suddenly you have everyone wondering if their rifle will explode or something.

the biggest problems were weird accessories, stuff put on improperly or poorly attached, or cheap accessories that don't function very well or are otherwise unfit for purpose (cheap flashlights and lasers being the largest offenders). it's quite rare out of the hundreds of rifles i see over a year that there are major issues at all. probably harsh recoil/weak ejection being the number one issue from any manufacturer, that kind of stems to either fitment issues, QC issues (rare), or poor maintenance of wearing parts.

then there's just abuse like a shotgun barrel filled with bubblegum or the one time someone managed to jam a magazine in a patrol rifle backwards...
 
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TerminalTryHard said:
Not really I just saw a century import with Canadian marks on it at my LGS, and was a little curious. Since they want like $1700 for a sporterized FAL with a fucked up handguard and that seemed a bit off to me.
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I got my CAI marked as made in Canada for $600 off an estate sale. It all depends on the type of receiver you got. If it’s unibrow, you’re likely in the clear, the issue is furnature. The CAI arms guys imported the Inch Pattern British FAL’s (mine has parts from Enfield, several as old as 1957). Your local Gunstore is scalping you if it’s not a unibrow. If it is, you’re still getting scalped as you can buy a bare bones DSA FAL for a few hundred less.

EDIT: Got it restored by Mike in Arizona.

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Looks about as close to the early 1980’s as you’ll get from it. Fun to shoot, though ammo cost is as usual with .308 a bitch.
 
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What is your go to cheap ar ammo? I usually find winchester 5.56 as the cheapest thing on the shelves + most abundant, but what would you stockpile FOR TRAINING, not for serious use. (Besides reloads, not there yet)
 
That Doc Holiday pic is fucking amazing and I need one.
Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX said:
What is your go to cheap ar ammo? I usually find winchester 5.56 as the cheapest thing on the shelves + most abundant, but what would you stockpile FOR TRAINING, not for serious use. (Besides reloads, not there yet)
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Reloads.

Oh,
Winny white box works fine in anything I have that isn't a safe queen shooting something odd ball or a snob.

White Devil said:
So it turns out ATF is going to force that stupid point system that no one is going to follow. Time to see if we can sack up at least as much as the Leafs.
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I'll give them one point *flips the bird*
 
Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX said:
What is your go to cheap ar ammo? I usually find winchester 5.56 as the cheapest thing on the shelves + most abundant, but what would you stockpile FOR TRAINING, not for serious use. (Besides reloads, not there yet)
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Whatever is on sale at my local gun store and usually by bullet, Winchester is the cheapest in my area as well.

Though I should buy more green tips for the next time they are on sale.
 
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