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I forgot PSA had plans to make slavshit calibers in the US.
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they plan to make steel cased ammo in the US. IIRC they bought a bunch of machinery and imported it or something.
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>Bandit radio in the background
They know their consumer base very well
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well im going to send my ARV back to palmetto because it wont fucking work and ordered two trigger bar springs for my bobcat because i bent up the first one during caveman brain disassembly. a crack pipe is slowly materializing in my hands.
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slug your bore. Carcanos can have strange sizes, but i've found 0.270" works for the majority of cast lead, or 0.269" if it's jacketed. a 160gr SJHP can take down moose. very underrated rifle and cartridge. start with 16 gr of IMR 4227 and work up to around to a bit over 2100 f/s which should max at around 21 odd grains of powder. absolute upper limit is 23 gr. if you live some where hot, consider 30ish gr of IMR 4350 or 4895 (or Hodgdon H322 for consistency on a 70% filled case if you want to be gentle on brass) instead to allow for some leeway. max pressure is 34,000 psi safe, and 36,000 psi before kaboom.
9x39mm pre-dates .300 AAC Blackout by several years. it's arguably simultaneously worse and better.
yes and no. i have some first hand experience with the AS Val and a bit less with the VSS. the SP-5 and SP-6 work great out of the VSS, and were accurate out to around 300-400 meters but had a ridiculous rainbow trajectory because they were constructed for urban fighting in and around forests, villages, towns, and against people possibly wearing crappy old body armor or armor looted from captured stockpiles or the recent dead (think the Chechen conflicts to get a sense of the intended operating environment).
there was a need for further use of the cartridge in special police actions and it was pretty good through barriers and even old soviet steel Ladas et c. but the SP-5 and -6 were far far too expensive. enter the cheap shit PAB-9 which suited the AS Val role quite well, but had all the limitations of the pretty close range lethality (inside 200 meters ideal) and terrible trajectory combined with significantly worse accuracy and marginally worse armor penetration. my experience was some weapon familiarization instruction rather than combat, so perhaps it really comes into it's own during fighting. by "UZI" i mean they can be nice, but like how the UZI was used by western SF for a variety of tasks including sentry removal, urban / night fighting, and cool guy kit options (Hudson M3, Swedish K, British para gadgets et c).
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Yes, you delivered bro!
Yeah, basically how it feels out of my Model 36 too. Not really uncomfortable but it can be felt. +p is hot though. Recommend testing 38 special +p loads. Those are... spicy.
I bet lol. My J frame is 19 Oz, and I already feel +p 38 special. I imagine 357 is going on a roller coaster. At least you experienced it man. Will it be your duty load?
sounds about right
Tell is about that model 66 man, hope it's fun!Now I want a Model 66 from some K frame goodness. Also the Blackhawk flattop that I want is basically a unicorn as it seems that Ruger makes under 1,000 a year and they aren't made at a set time so who knows when they'll show up so I think I'll be getting a Model 66 next month with my Marlin 1894 .357 lever action
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This is going to be the polar opposite of my krink. Back 10+ years ago I didn't know guns as well and pistol braces weren't a thing my very first SBR was a Waffen Works 74 converted. Now I'm almost embarrassed to have such bougie slav shit. But I fell in love with them from golden eye (game and movie) had around a G to blow and said let's do this.
God bless PSA for more silly dakka and that stalker Meme.
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Joining in with the others requesting an AAR once you can secure a Model 66. I heard stories of the SEALs using that revolver and the 686 back in the 80's for training. They might have actually killed some folks with them. Clubby probably knows if that's true or not. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if he was there somehow.
I looked up that Blackhawk flattop because I don't know much about Ruger's revolver models. Not cheap but don't let that stop you. Which one are you going to go for?
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the 70's were a little before my time, but inventory in the 80's included revolvers even when the Mk 22 was adopted as a specialized S&W model 39, and afterwards you could find some specialized 1911, P228 and P226, and a few of the revolvers. the 686's stainless 4" for "shore action" became more popular for specific needs and door-kicking when the 9mm wasn't seen as reliable enough through light barriers (doors, walls, vehicle body panels, jungle flora, et c).
when the semi-auto took over in the late 80's, the model 66-2 revolvers were still issued for various naval agencies like SP, NIS (later NCIS) which when i was doing more hands-on stuff still issued the 66-2 as a service revolver alongside some limited 39-2 service pistols. it wasn't until 89 or the 90's when the semi-autos like the model 59 replaced them as standard issue even though the 1911 still was handed out since there were tons of them. the standard load for the service revolvers was marginally different from the "FBI load", and was a 158gr LSWC on top of 5.2 gr of Unique at 950 f/s - buffalo bore sells something real close actually (https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=108). very mean defensive load.
i still have a box or two somewhere along with a P9S i snagged because i really liked my experience with the P9, shame they never adopted it (similar story with the all-stainless model 59). i have an older nickel P226 for nostalgia and this sort of try outs and modifications set me on the path to tweaking around with guns in my spare time and competing in service rifle meets instead of just target shooting or hunting.
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Is that one of the early 90s 226s? Were they still doing pinned breech blocks in those then? I've always thought those were cool but I've heard a lot of people say that the later milled slides are superior to the stamped slides. In 9mm, especially the common loads of the time, I don't see how it would make any difference.
I remember the one and only time I ever got some trigger time on a Model 39. It was about 6 months after MGS 3 came out so 20 year old me was all about how cool that pistol would be to own. A friend's father who stated that he saw combat in Vietnam owned one, a first gen model that had a re-blued slide. It was manufactured in the mid-60s according to him. He let me fire it some and I was quite underwhelmed. I mean, I was a novice with firearms back then so I wouldn't have gotten much out of the experience. Still, I do remember those tiny sights and that less-than-stellar trigger being unpleasant surprises.
Finally, I've heard that wadcutter loads out of a snubbie are more effective fight stoppers than one may think. I imagine that like anything one must do their part regarding shot placement.
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yes, manufactured 1992, it has the pinned breach block in the folded slide. the milled slides are superior in every practical way other than weight and to a lesser extent modularity (the pinned breach block can be removed and swapped for a .40 S&W one for example). it makes no other difference really unless you are into caliber swapping a lot or just like the look of the flatter slide top.
the factory nickel is the electroless nickel finish rather than standard plating, looks nicer imho. pinned/folded slides are easily determined by the flat top visible here.
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Steinel make/made good bullets for 6.5mm Carcano.
That's been happening in the US as well. I was initially strongly opposed to the idea, but as it turns out, lead shot building up in wetlands does actually have an effect on lead levels after all. Slowly, but looking at places where people have been shooting ducks a lot for a century it's apparently pretty noticeable, and it keeps building over time.
Since I'm not Chinese, I welcome reducing lead levels in waters and wild stock. Not to say that there can't be ulterior motives with the way it's implemented in places, mind.
I would feel better myself with something larger than .30-06, even if I know .30-06 is pretty proven. They're big fuckers.
They all do by default, 6.5mm Carcano uses a .268 caliber projectile, which is used by almost nothing else, and a lot of ammunition manufacturers over the years have cheated and loaded them with the more common .264 caliber, which has not helped the rifle's reputation. Old WW2 era Italian ammo could also be ridiculously sloppy in spec.
Part of much of the myth about the JFK assassination comes from this perception. Setting aside that Oswald was genuinely a pretty good rifleman in spite of his crippling autism (and the man really was a historic lolcow, he's so fucking hilarious), the ammunition he had was Greek surplus which had originally been manufactured in the US for them as military aid once upon a time, and to correct spec too, so it was the exact ammo which could let the Carcano show you what it could actually do.
The 7.35mm Carcano cartridge is a similar oddball, it uses an exact .300 caliber projectile which, again, is used by nothing else, but at least you could try sizing down some .303 caliber bullets to handload with. Supposedly the Finns managed to acquire a lot of 7.35mm casings or blanks from the Italians at some point, which they modified to work as 7.62x39mm blanks, and they still have some of it lying around.
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I know a old hunter here with 30-06. It definitely works, but he handloads. I'm not set up for that. I wanted 300 win mag so I could put down a elk or moose with stock, 180 grain ammo.
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Flat nose with reliable penetration made it much better than early JHP, might still be better today.
Also, hollow points like higher velocities for expansion which you might not get out of a snub.
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It depends really. Check the hollow point before buying it, especially out of a 2 inch barrel. One old .38 special hp load that did do well was the FBI load, which was a 158 grain cast lead hollow point +p. It hit like a truck even if it failed to expand, hense it was used for so long.
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To be fair, it was used for so long because it was issued. If someone needs dead and that's all you have, that's what will do.
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I mean true. But they still sell it. Remington makes a good clone. When you shoot that fucker from a J-frame, it sounds like thunder and feels like a earthquake in your hand. Whatever you hit with the FBI load is going to hurt, you just know when you shoot it. And looking at the ballistics, it hits all the marks it needs to.
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It's not a clone if they're the ones that originally made it, even if they're under new management.
The Winchesters were crap, Remington's rounds were king.
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Did they? I just know it's so old most manufacturers make a FBI load copy. But I'll believe that. It shoots well