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EggImpregnator said:
Commercial 10mm loads are barely above 40sw spec. Only with boutique 10mm loads will you be able to get a lot of power. But you can't afford to shoot that all the time (no one can)
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You can get full house 10mm these days from smaller manufacturers pretty easily and reliably, and for a similar price as factory ammo from the bigger guys. Underwood is easy to get ahold of, affordable, and pretty hot. There are a few other brands out there making full house 10mm. But 10mm from the major brands like Federal are loaded to the "FBI Light Load" specs which became the industry standard. Back in the early 90s the FBI adopted the Smith and Wesson 1076 in 10mm. The problem is that most FBI agents had never touched a firearm until they entered the academy, and the veterans were used to shooting 9mm and .38s, so the recoil of the 10mm was too much for them and their qualification scores went down. Federal was contracted to make their duty ammo and the FBI asked for a lighter load, which ended up being a 180gr hollow point traveling at about 1050-1100fps. A couple years later Smith and Wesson said they could take those same load specs, cut the cartridge down so that they'll fit in a double stack magazine and a pistol frame roughly the same size as a 9mm, and that's how .40 S&W was born.
 
Got to look at an EAA Windicator/Weirauch .357 today and honestly I have no idea how the Krauts made a magnum for less than $400. Also the Ruger PC carbine is looking tempting. Decisions, decisions.
 
Agares said:
Got to look at an EAA Windicator/Weirauch .357 today and honestly I have no idea how the Krauts made a magnum for less than $400. Also the Ruger PC carbine is looking tempting. Decisions, decisions.
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They are $400 because they are made to that price. they are functional, but a steady diet of .357 will batter the frame and pretty quickly wear it out plus if something breaks on it good luck getting a replacement parts. your better off spending a few hundred more for a new colt S&W or ruger or springing for a used example.

Weirauch is primarily a manufacturer of air rifles and pistols. they put significantly more effort in to those than they do their revolvers and it shows.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
They are $400 because they are made to that price. they are functional, but a steady diet of .357 will batter the frame and pretty quickly wear it out plus if something breaks on it good luck getting a replacement parts. your better off spending a few hundred more for a new colt S&W or ruger or springing for a used example.

Weirauch is primarily a manufacturer of air rifles and pistols. they put significantly more effort in to those than they do their revolvers and it shows.
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I'm hoping I can trade my AR pistol for something decent that's used.
 
Agares said:
Got to look at an EAA Windicator/Weirauch .357 today and honestly I have no idea how the Krauts made a magnum for less than $400. Also the Ruger PC carbine is looking tempting. Decisions, decisions.
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The Windicator was, from what I gathered, not a good gun. Unless they've changed their manufacturing process they had a bad reputation of sending them out with incomplete barrels -- it looked like they snapped the barrel over their knee to shorten it, with a jagged shard extending ~3" from the muzzle in the most extreme case I saw. The guns that looked okay visually developed problems with cocking/cycling the hammer over time and apparently have easily damaged forcing cones.
If you're that down bad for a cheap gat in .357 Mag go buy a Taurus.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
i cheaped out and bought primers from Argentina and bosnia. so i saved about 700 dollars.
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Those Argentinian primers have been working well for me. Gotta reup my stash soon. Reorganized my work bench, moved my reloading setup to the garage, hung an old TV up behind it so I can zone out, it's time to start cranking out freedom seeds for the next year.

Reloading under the right conditions is a very pleasant way to pass the time.
 
Re: the ammo talk
9mm Luger: European popgun round that’s only popular because the ammo is cheap for a centerfire cartridge. Cheap ammo is a good thing for 9mm aficionados, because anything bigger and more dangerous than a cranky raccoon will likely require multiple well-placed hits. Wildly popular all over the world, mostly in countries where people don’t carry guns, and cops don’t have to actually shoot people with theirs.

.45ACP: Chunky low-pressure cartridge that hogs magazine space and requires a low-capacity design (if the gun needs to fit human hands) or a grip with the circumference of a two-liter soda bottle (if the gun needs to hold more than seven rounds). Disturbingly prone to bullet setback, expensive to reload, fits only into big and clunky guns, and a recoil that has an inversely proportionate relationship with muzzle energy.

.40S&W: Neutered compromise version of a compromise cartridge. Even more setback-happy than the .45ACP, and setbacks are much more dangerous because of higher pressure and smaller case volume. Manages to sacrifice both the capacity of the 9mm and the bullet diameter of the .45. Twice the recoil of the 9mm for 10% more muzzle energy.

.357SIG: Highly overpriced boutique round that does the .40S&W one worse: it manages to share the capacity penalty of the .40 while retaining the small bullet diameter of the 9mm. Noisy, sharp recoil, and 100% cost penalty for ballistics that can be matched by a good 9mm +P+ load. Penetrates like the dickens, which means that the Air Marshals just had to adopt it…only to load their guns with frangible bullets to make sure they don’t penetrate like the dickens.

.38 Special: Legacy design with a case length that’s 75% longer than necessary for the mediocre ballistics of the round due to its blackpowder heritage. On the plus side, the case length makes it easy to handle when reloading the gun. This is a good thing because anyone using their .38 in self-defense against a 250-pound attacker hopped up on crack will need to empty the gun multiple times.

.32ACP: Inadequate for anything more thick-skinned than Northeastern squirrels or inbred Austrian archdukes. Semi-rimmed cartridge that is rimlock-happy in modern lightweight autoloaders. Doesn’t go fast enough to expand a hollowpoint bullet, and it wouldn’t matter even if it did, because the bullet would only expand from tiny to small-ish.

.44 Magnum: Overpowered round that generates manageable recoil and muzzle blast…if you’re a 300-pound linebacker with wrists like steel girders. Often loaded to “Lite” levels that turn it into a noisy .44 Special while retaining the ego-preserving Magnum headstamp. Considered the “most powerful handgun cartridge in the world” by people whose gun knowledge is either stuck in 1960, or who get their expertise in ballistics from Dirty Harry movies.

10mm Auto: Super-high pressure cartridge that beats up gun and shooter alike. Very brisk recoil in anything other than all-steel S&W boat anchors, with a shot recovery that’s measured in geological epochs for most handgun platforms. Often underloaded to wimpy levels (see “.40 S&W”), which then gives it 9mm ballistics while requiring .45ACP magazine real estate.

.380ACP/9mm Kurz: Designed by people who thought the 9mm Luger was a bit too brisk and snappy, which is pretty much all that needs to be said here. Great round if you expect to only ever be attacked by people less than seven inches thick from front to back.

.357 Magnum: Lots of recoil, muzzle blast, and noise to drive a 9mm bullet to reckless speeds in an attempt to make up for its low mass and diameter. Explosive fragmentation and insufficient penetration with light bullets; excessive penetration and insufficient expansion with heavy ones. Still makes only 9mm holes in the target.

5.7×28mm: Ingenious way to make a centerfire .22 Magnum and then charge quadruple price for the same ballistics. Awesome chambering for a police weapon…if you’re the park ranger in charge of the chipmunk exhibit at the zoo, and you want to make sure you can take one down if it turns rabid on you.

.25ACP: Direct violation of the maxim “Never do an enemy a minor injury”. Designed by folks who wanted to retain the bullet diameter of the .22 rimfire round, but take a bit of the excessive lethality out of it. Favored by people who don’t feel comfortable carrying anything more dangerous than the neighbor kid’s rusty Red Ryder pellet gun.
 
I been sinnin', boys. Been spending my gun money rebuilding and upgrading the missus and I's guitars. Her strat is done, just finished rewiring my vintage LP Jr. and dropping a P90 in. Waiting on a couple of the pretty pieces like pickguard and knobs.
Now I'm eyeballing new guns again. And what do I see but the MasterPiece Arms MPA30DMG. Like a roided MAC. Anyone shot one that could tell me why throwing a folder on this and a drum wouldn't make it the perfect backpack/backseat blaster?
 
Romulus augustulus said:
bought primers from Argentina
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hog cranking frog said:
Those Argentinian primers have been working well for me.
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Servicios y Aventuras are one of those companies that make me MATI, personal interactions with them have been awful but they make good primers, their .22 belonged to a company called Orbea which they bought out and the quality is the bottom of the market in Argentina, quality is Remington thunderbolt bucket tier but Orbea is locally considerably cheaper due to a lack of taxes, however my main contempt for them comes from the favt they're one of the two sole registered importers for Pietta firearms and yet they refuse to bring any blackpowder guns claiming they "no longer operate with them" they wouldn't even entertain a 100 unit order.

As a sidenote they provide the 12 gauge ammo for FM the Argentine state Arms and Ammo concern who just repackages it, interestingly they do not provide primers, FM buys those from CBC in Brazil despite having to pay import taxes.

BP bros, the oppression against our kind continues...
 
Belgians in the Congo said:
Servicios y Aventuras are one of those companies that make me MATI, personal interactions with them have been awful but they make good primers, their .22 belonged to a company called Orbea which they bought out and the quality is the bottom of the market in Argentina, quality is Remington thunderbolt bucket tier but Orbea is locally considerably cheaper due to a lack of taxes, however my main contempt for them comes from the favt they're one of the two sole registered importers for Pietta firearms and yet they refuse to bring any blackpowder guns claiming they "no longer operate with them" they wouldn't even entertain a 100 unit order.

As a sidenote they provide the 12 gauge ammo for FM the Argentine state Arms and Ammo concern who just repackages it, interestingly they do not provide primers, FM buys those from CBC in Brazil despite having to pay import taxes.

BP bros, the oppression against our kind continues...
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I like CBC brass. good quality.
 
S.C.U.D. said:
.357 Magnum: Lots of recoil, muzzle blast, and noise to drive a 9mm bullet to reckless speeds in an attempt to make up for its low mass and diameter. Explosive fragmentation and insufficient penetration with light bullets; excessive penetration and insufficient expansion with heavy ones. Still makes only 9mm holes in the target.
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i mean, this is just not true out of a compact service revolver.
 
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