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Badungus Kabungus said:
Screws were thrown out right away
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Badungus Kabungus said:
No idea how it happened, everyone was mystified.
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for the SKS, a machined receiver, you will actually want to use fine thread machine screws. they have much greater clamping force than rivets in the same location and that clamping force with a fine thread pitch and some Rocksett will in-fact be quite durable absent abuse. rivets in machined steel will tend to develop a buckle and shear from stresses in line with the receiver as the mass of the receiver and combined recoiling mass of the rail and optic will introduce a combination shear and tension moment for each shot that simple rivets will not work. if you don't want to use screws (which i can understand) a machined through hole with pin and spot welding would be the correct alternate method for a permanent mount.
 
White Devil said:
PSA is throwing their hat into the shitty AK railed dust cover ring :

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The Palmetto State Armory AK Top Cover Rail Coming Soon?

Images of The Palmetto State Armory AK Top Cover Rail have been spotted on Facebook in comments made by CEO Chad Wylie in their public AK owners group.
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This piece of shit looks worse than the Texas Weapon Systems one. I'm not surprised since PSA puts zero effort into everything they do.
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Well... That's a thing.

I dunno if I have a ton of room to talk - I'm using an Attero Arms mount for my dot, which replaces the rear sight leaf. I'd rather have gone the RS Regulate route, but those things are still damn near impossible to find, particularly for the higher Romanian side rail.
 
Club Sandwich said:
for the SKS, a machined receiver, you will actually want to use fine thread machine screws. they have much greater clamping force than rivets in the same location and that clamping force with a fine thread pitch and some Rocksett will in-fact be quite durable absent abuse. rivets in machined steel will tend to develop a buckle and shear from stresses in line with the receiver as the mass of the receiver and combined recoiling mass of the rail and optic will introduce a combination shear and tension moment for each shot that simple rivets will not work. if you don't want to use screws (which i can understand) a machined through hole with pin and spot welding would be the correct alternate method for a permanent mount.
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Problem with those particular screws was that they extended only about 2mm, barely enough to get the threads any engagement, that's why those were thrown out. Rivet was the wrong term for it, did not actually use anything set by a press, it was all welded. Terms get mixed up when dealing with non-English speaking gunsmiths. For the two countersunk screw holes I used longer screws with a similar pitch size from another rail kit, cleaned up and welded up on both sides. Then two smaller pins welded up on both sides. That's why it was surprising it failed. But yeah, cursed SKS.
 
I would like to engage in some wild speculation with the posters of this thread. Literally less than a minute ago as of writing I saw a post written by Dmitri of Primary Arms in response to a commenter's response to a question of what consumers and potential consumers would like to see next from PA. The commenter said "make a better iron sight" to which Dmitri replied "I actually have.. can’t talk about it just yet"
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Now my question is, taking into consideration PA's history of coming up with new reticles (some of which were good enough to get into ACOG's) how does one make a better Iron sight and how could PA specifically be doing so?
Also, Pistol or Rifle? Both?
 
AGPinochet said:
I would like to engage in some wild speculation with the posters of this thread. Literally less than a minute ago as of writing I saw a post written by Dmitri of Primary Arms in response to a commenter's response to a question of what consumers and potential consumers would like to see next from PA. The commenter said "make a better iron sight" to which Dmitri replied "I actually have.. can’t talk about it just yet"
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Now my question is, taking into consideration PA's history of coming up with new reticles (some of which were good enough to get into ACOG's) how does one make a better Iron sight and how could PA specifically be doing so?
Also, Pistol or Rifle? Both?
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That's wildly subjective and depends on an individual's eyes. Some people prefer ghost rings, others like three dots. I've met people who swear by those X pistol sights, though i personally cannot see the appeal, and then you have the V notch. It's not as cut and dried as they make it sound. All of these are just tricks to focus your eyes.
 
AGPinochet said:
I would like to engage in some wild speculation with the posters of this thread. Literally less than a minute ago as of writing I saw a post written by Dmitri of Primary Arms in response to a commenter's response to a question of what consumers and potential consumers would like to see next from PA. The commenter said "make a better iron sight" to which Dmitri replied "I actually have.. can’t talk about it just yet"
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Now my question is, taking into consideration PA's history of coming up with new reticles (some of which were good enough to get into ACOG's) how does one make a better Iron sight and how could PA specifically be doing so?
Also, Pistol or Rifle? Both?
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If I was a betting man, I'd wager the first application of whatever they're planning would be a BUIS set. Big potential market (anything with a pic rail up top) and probably not crazy expensive to manufacture.

As for what the gimmick would be, I've got nothing. I do like some of the more odd iron sights I've seen like the See-All (surprisingly good on a 10/22) and the Steyr trapezoidal sights on their current service pistol lineup, so I'd be interested in whatever they come up with.
 
WhatInTheActualFuck said:
I'd wager the first application of whatever they're planning would be a BUIS set.
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I don't know why but I'm thinking pistol sights, I have no idea as to why but I just do. But you also raise extremely valid points in regards to BUIS being easy to sell.

Now as for a "gimmick"/technological innovation? PA makes reticles and puts these reticles in Chinese, Filipino and Japanese OEM optic bodies. So I would assume a new style of either front post or rear aperture/notch. I'm also going to make the assumption that whatever the selling point is it will be fairly simple and thus not expensive, because outside of some extremely niche use cases and maybe some competition circles there is no reason to have "red dot equivalent irons" (if that makes any sense, what I'm getting at is that nobody needs or wants super duper future Irons that cost $400 when they can get a red dot for $200)
 
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AGPinochet said:
I would like to engage in some wild speculation with the posters of this thread. Literally less than a minute ago as of writing I saw a post written by Dmitri of Primary Arms in response to a commenter's response to a question of what consumers and potential consumers would like to see next from PA. The commenter said "make a better iron sight" to which Dmitri replied "I actually have.. can’t talk about it just yet"
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Now my question is, taking into consideration PA's history of coming up with new reticles (some of which were good enough to get into ACOG's) how does one make a better Iron sight and how could PA specifically be doing so?
Also, Pistol or Rifle? Both?
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Some kind of tactical take on an express sight, maybe in a BUIS package? Like some kind of a quick acquiring v-notch type setup or something. Think big game rifle style setup.
 
Badungus Kabungus said:
Some kind of tactical take on an express sight, maybe in a BUIS package? Like some kind of a quick acquiring v-notch type setup or something. Think big game rifle style setup.
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Maybe I'm being influenced by PA's past work with reticles but I'd think if it's a rifle sight then it would have some kind of "cheat sheet" or "quality of life" feature. Like a front sight that you can range estimate with or some shit.
 
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Maybe I'm being influenced by PA's past work with reticles but I'd think if it's a rifle sight then it would have some kind of "cheat sheet" or "quality of life" feature. Like a front sight that you can range estimate with or some shit.
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Interesting. How can range finding be implemented with a front sight? Could be possible, I just can't think of a way.

For the most part modern iron sights have hundreds of years of iterative design behind them, so I think it would be difficult to come up with something completely new. If I had to release a new iron sight product on the market, it makes sense to focus on the strengths of iron sights rather than try to replicate the functionality of optics. Strengths being quick target acquirement, simplicity, robustness, etc. Maybe do some fancy computer simulations combined with hours of eye-tracking data to find an optimal shape for an express sight that works best with the human eye.
 
Badungus Kabungus said:
Interesting. How can range finding be implemented with a front sight? Could be possible, I just can't think of a way.

For the most part modern iron sights have hundreds of years of iterative design behind them, so I think it would be difficult to come up with something completely new. If I had to release a new iron sight product on the market, it makes sense to focus on the strengths of iron sights rather than try to replicate the functionality of optics. Strengths being quick target acquirement, simplicity, robustness, etc. Maybe do some fancy computer simulations combined with hours of eye-tracking data to find an optimal shape for an express sight that works best with the human eye.
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So the only way I could think of doing something like that is having varied length blackout posts hanging off to either side of the traditional front post, and have those blackout prong(s) correlate to something like the average shoulder width or average height based range estimation systems.

Now, I not saying it wouldn't be shit. Because in all likelihood something like that absolutely would be shit, at least on the first iteration.
 
Badungus Kabungus said:
How can range finding be implemented with a front sight?
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No idea, but PA loves range finding features in their reticles.
Badungus Kabungus said:
so I think it would be difficult to come up with something completely new.
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PA has come out with some pretty cool reticles, such as the ACSS Vulcan which is intended to help with finding the dot (in the case of the Vulcan a Chevron) and alignment by the aid of a projected circle that is not visible when perfectly aligned so I'd venture to guess it's something like that, something that can aid you in finding the front post or aligning it with the rear notch/aperture. Such a hypothetical system would most likely look and act very differently on a pistol than it would a rifle and vice versa (we also have no idea whether this new design is intended for a pistol or rifle).

the "just yet" part of his comments might suggest we'll see it at SHOT
 
Speaking of shot show, is it actually confirmed to be happening? Because what I have been hearing is that a stiff breeze could cancel/radically downsize it right now.
 
BONE_Buddy said:
is it actually confirmed to be happening?
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As far as I know, literally right now, they are planning on it being an actual event. Whether it will actually be an event is yet to be seen. Several vendors are also not attending for various reasons (notably Sig).

But lets be honest here, SHOT in this modern era is 95% unnecessary for actual product teasers and releases
 
Larp Belt question: To molle or to not molle? I see belts that either come with molle hard sewn on (for more $$$) or cheaper options that you can slide molle "patches" on. what are the pros and cons for each system? I am trying to think what gear needs molle to attach but also how is shit supposed to stay in one spot if it's simply slid on a belt loop.
 
Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX said:
Larp Belt question: To molle or to not molle? I see belts that either come with molle hard sewn on (for more $$$) or cheaper options that you can slide molle "patches" on. what are the pros and cons for each system? I am trying to think what gear needs molle to attach but also how is shit supposed to stay in one spot if it's simply slid on a belt loop.
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Never seen this molle patches system. Usually belts with no webbing are used in conjunction with belt clips.
Without having a look at what they are, I'd assume that we're talking about velcro covered belts and the "patch" has velcro backing to keep it in place. If not... what the fuck?
I guess the con is that you lose rigidity because the webbing patch can kink on the belt and the pouch can kink on the webbing patch so when you pull on the mag/whatever the pouch will twist itself in the direction of the torso and not be aligned in the vertical like you'd want it to. A pouch secured directly with a clip or threaded into integrated molle will be more stable when it gets pulled on.
 
Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX said:
Larp Belt question: To molle or to not molle? I see belts that either come with molle hard sewn on (for more $$$) or cheaper options that you can slide molle "patches" on. what are the pros and cons for each system? I am trying to think what gear needs molle to attach but also how is shit supposed to stay in one spot if it's simply slid on a belt loop.
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If you are looking for a belt you can wear over stuff, the FLC's waist belt can be removed and used independently. You can find those full FLC for about 15 dollars online or really any surplus store. Those are pre-sewn on.

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Sorry to be clear, I was looking at the Blue Alpha Gear and AWS LAB belt to be particular.

The AWS lab belt comes in 2 configurations: 1 with molle sewn in directly, 2nd without but with molle patches:

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Belt with molle patches on back only.

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patch by itself

From closer inspection, it does appear to velcro on. That said, what gear would need to be attached with molle in the first place? From the top of my head, I would wanna be running:

  • safariland mid-ride holster
  • pistol mag pouches/ar mag pouches
  • IFAK
  • tourniquet(?)
  • Dump pouch maybe?
what of the above shit (or anything glaring I missed) needs molle?
 
Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX said:
Sorry to be clear, I was looking at the Blue Alpha Gear and AWS LAB belt to be particular.

The AWS lab belt comes in 2 configurations: 1 with molle sewn in directly, 2nd without but with molle patches:
  • safariland mid-ride holster
  • pistol mag pouches/ar mag pouches
  • IFAK
  • tourniquet(?)
  • Dump pouch maybe?
what of the above shit (or anything glaring I missed) needs molle?
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Really all of those can be either molle, belt clip or even the old BDU style belt clips. Really its personal preference and what you have available.

I personally would go with the sewn on because you could get away with using some belt clips with molle but not the other way around easily.

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Those velcro molle patches do look interesting though I have no experience with them. Curious how they would hold up over time?
 
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