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What do you think of the Dagger?

My friend was thinking of getting one....first his first gun. How do you politely tell someone to not be a poor?
It's a bog standard Glock 19 gen 3 with a few very small ergonomic differences. Front slide serrations, M&P style trigger safety, etc. I haven't shot it yet, but initial reports from those who have essentially boil down to "it shoots like a Glock". I can at least say that it came properly zeroed from the factory and the firing pin works, based on the dry firing I did through it with a laser cartridge. Trigger is mildly squishy but otherwise fine, very much akin to OEM Glock, and it can always be swapped out with any Glock gen 3 compatible trigger, so that's nice. I already bought a ghost inc. trigger bar/connector and a few springs for mine.

If PSA does another run on the deal I got where you can get the optics cut threaded barrel model with 5 each 15 round and 27 round PMAGs for $400, I'd tell him to go for it. If you were going to buy a 19 and swap out all of the important bits anyways, this will save you a good bit of money. Fantastic bang for the buck, albeit not exactly a very exciting first gun.
 
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I've been trying to gently nudge him along but its getting to the point I am going to throw my hands up and say "yeah bro go find a pawn shop for your first gun. Great idea!".

He's always had pooritis when it comes to hobbies so I'm not sure why I expected any different for guns.
Well a DAGGER isn't bad it's just a Kirkland brand Glock 19 gen 3.
 
Picking up my m92 tommorrow. Probably won't post pics because I'm paranoid. I already have a bunch of modifications and new furniture to put on it. Hopefully it doesn't look too bubba'd.
is it semi or auto? im just making sure the atf doesn't get involved and wacos you.
 
I want the looks 😡
I own a Franchi SPAS-12. Bought it back around 1989-90. It's a well made and reliable shotgun. Heavy as can be, and overly complex with the selectable semi-auto to pump design, but it's a shooter.

Funny thing is, the pump action feature wasn't really needed, because the thing will cycle even the lightest of birdshot rounds on semi-auto without fail. It looks and is a bit ungainly, but it cycles fast, like a Benelli M1 Super 90 from the same era.

Every gunsmith school student worth his salt back then had to have at least one gun from The Terminator in his collection. The AMT Longslide, AR-180, semi auto UZI carbine, and SPAS-12 were abundant.
 
I own a Franchi SPAS-12. Bought it back around 1989-90. It's a well made and reliable shotgun. Heavy as can be, and overly complex with the selectable semi-auto to pump design, but it's a shooter.

Funny thing is, the pump action feature wasn't really needed, because the thing will cycle even the lightest of birdshot rounds on semi-auto without fail. It looks and is a bit ungainly, but it cycles fast, like a Benelli M1 Super 90 from the same era.

Every gunsmith school student worth his salt back then had to have at least one gun from The Terminator in his collection. The AMT Longslide, AR-180, semi auto UZI carbine, and SPAS-12 were abundant.
Weren't those things infamous for parts failure? I know there's a special vendor now that specifically deals in SPAS parts.
 
Picking up my m92 tommorrow. Probably won't post pics because I'm paranoid. I already have a bunch of modifications and new furniture to put on it. Hopefully it doesn't look too bubba'd.
I just took my M92 out the other weekend. I had a Manticore Arms muzzle brake I wanted to test out. The recoil is much lighter now but the fireball is visible through the 2x ACOG when firing.
 

Second Amendment Reckoning Begins​

June 24, 2022
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CRPA told you we were prepping cases and getting ready for action once the NYSRPA v Bruen decision came down and we were not kidding. Yesterday morning’s ruling reset the standard for gun laws and before the day was out, CRPA was already taking action!

CRPA President Chuck Michel sent letters to all 58 county sheriffs in California reiterating the fact that the “good cause” requirement for a CCW was invalidated by the NYSRPA decision. In some counties, that letter applauded the local sheriff for already issuing permits in accordance with the Second Amendment. In other counties, the letter as more of a wake up call.

Take, for example, the letter to Alameda County Sheriff Greg Ahern, which pointed out the county’s blatantly unconstitutional policy regarding the issuance of CCW permits, and demanding that the sheriff conform to the standard set by the Court.

In the letter, Michel writes:

“While CRPA has long known that such a subjective policy violates the Second Amendment, that fact has now been confirmed by no less than our nation’s highest court. CRPA demands that the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department immediately repeal its illegal policy requiring law-abiding applicants to prove any “good cause” beyond just a general desire for self-defense. Any attempt to deny or obstruct permits to law-abiding applicants will be met with an immediate lawsuit backed by CRPA.” (emphasis added)

Read Chuck’s full letter here

As we have been saying for months, this ruling sets a new standard, but that standard will need to affirmatively enforced. CRPA has been prepping cases and actions like this in anticipation of this moment and we are moving quickly to restore your rights!


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Letter to Alameda County Sherriff:
VIA U.S. CERTIFIED MAIL
Gregory J. Ahern, Sheriff-Coroner
Alameda County Sheriff’s Department
Administration Office
1401 Lakeside Drive, 12th Floor
Oakland, CA 94612-4305
Re: NOTICE OF RULING REGARDING CARRY PERMIT POLICIES
AND PRE-LITIGATION DEMAND
Dear Sheriff Ahern:
Our firm represents the California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA), which was
founded in 1875 and has been working to uphold the right of Californians to keep and bear arms
ever since. We write urgently on behalf of CRPA concerning the Alameda County Sheriff’s
Department’s policy on CCW permit issuance. Specifically, your website currently states that
“California is a ‘May Issue’ state; the decision to grant a CCW license is at the discretion of the
County Sheriff or Police Chief. Having a CCW license is a privilege, not an entitlement, and the
Courts have ruled that a California CCW license is not guaranteed to all persons under the 2nd
Amendment of the United States.
1
” Your website thus essentially boasts that you are enforcing
unconstitutional restrictions on the right to bear arms, and indeed, that you deny that right even
exists.
While CRPA has long known that such a subjective policy violates the Second
Amendment, that fact has now been confirmed by no less than our nation’s highest court. CRPA
demands that the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department immediately repeal its illegal policy
requiring law-abiding applicants to prove any “good cause” beyond just a general desire for self-
defense. Any attempt to deny or obstruct permits to law-abiding applicants will be met with an
immediate lawsuit backed by CRPA.
The Supreme Court’s Recent Decision
As alluded to above, the Supreme Court of the United States has just issued a ruling in
the landmark case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen. In that case, the
Court decided the issue of whether the state of New York's denial of petitioners' applications for
concealed-carry licenses for self-defense violated the Second Amendment. Like California, the
New York law prohibited its ordinary law-abiding citizens from carrying a handgun outside the
home without a license, and it denied licenses to every citizen who failed to convince the state
that he or she has “proper cause” to carry a firearm. That law has now been struck down because
the “proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment in that it prevents law-
abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their right to keep and bear
arms.” N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, Superintendent of N.Y. State Police, No.
20-843, 2022 U.S. LEXIS 3055, at *90 (June 23, 2022). (“NYSRPA”)
In the opinion of the Court, Justice Thomas also writes that permit regimes that “do not
require applicants to show an atypical need for armed self-defense” are acceptable. NYSRPA,
2022 U.S. LEXIS 3055, at n.9. As such, the “shall-issue” regimes that exist in 43 states are
permissible, but those of New York, and California, which require applicants to convince issuing
authorities of “good cause” or “proper cause”, are not.
Attorney General Bonta has already admitted that California’s requirement for “good
cause” is no longer acceptable under this precedent decision: “California similarly requires
applicants for licenses to carry firearms in public to show “good cause,” and is likely
unconstitutional under Bruen.”2
The Alameda County Sheriff’s Department must immediately
change its unconstitutional permit issuance policy.
Current California Law Regarding Licensing to Carry Concealed Weapons
Regarding the issuance of licenses to carry concealed weapons, California law lists the
requirements as follows:
“(a) When a person applies for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or
other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, the sheriff of a county
may issue a license to that person upon proof of all of the following:
(1) The applicant is of good moral character.
(2) Good cause exists for issuance of the license.
(3) The applicant is a resident of the county or a city within the county, or
the applicant’s principal place of employment or business is in the county or a
city within the county and the applicant spends a substantial period of time in that
place of employment or business.
(4) The applicant has completed a course of training as described in
Section 26165.”
(Pen. Code, § 26150, subd. (a); see also Pen. Code, § 26155, subd. (a) [referring to the
same requirements, but for when a City Police Department handles permit issuance].) While the
Supreme Court’s decision allows most of California’s requirements to stand, subsection (a)(2),
relating to “good cause”, is now no longer valid and the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department
may no longer deny permits on that basis.
CRPA understands that some people fear the idea of liberal carry permit issuance,
predicting it can lead to “blood in the streets” or “wild west style violence”. Yet such fears are
completely unfounded and should not be used as a reason to try and obstruct the Court’s ruling in
NYSRPA. California is, like New York, one of the few remaining outlier states where so-called
“may issue”
3
permitting regimes still exist. The overwhelming majority of states4
are now either
“shall issue”, where all law-abiding citizens who apply and take the required class (if any) are
issued permits, or “constitutional carry”, where all citizens5 who can legally own a gun may
carry it on their person openly or concealed. This includes even states that are otherwise
politically similar to California, such as Oregon, Washington, Vermont, and others.
Yet even within California, the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department’s policy is in the
minority. Following a lawsuit brought by CRPA and other Plaintiffs in 2016, the California
Court of Appeals held that because California's statutory scheme permits concealed carry only
upon a showing of good cause and because open carry is also restricted, requiring “good cause”
for a concealed carry license violates the Second Amendment. (Peruta v. Cnty. of San Diego (9th
Cir. 2016) 824 F.3d 919, 924.)6 Though that result was ultimately overturned, it still led several
more counties to more liberally issue permits. Today, a large majority of counties in California
are effectively shall-issue, including the counties of Amador, Butte, Calaveras, Colusa, Del
Norte, El Dorado, Fresno, Glenn, Humboldt, Inyo, Kern, Lake, Madera, Mariposa, Mendocino,
Merced, Modoc, Monterey, Placer, Plumas, Riverside, Sacramento, San Benito, San Bernardino,
San Joaquin, Shasta, Sierra, Solano, Sonoma, Stanislaus, Sutter, Tehama, Trinity, Tulare,
Tuolumne, Ventura, Yuba.
In other words, a large majority of California counties are already mostly in compliance
with the NYSRPA ruling, with several having been effectively shall-issue for many years. These
are the example that Alameda County Sheriff’s Department must now follow.
The Alameda County Sheriff’s Department Must Adapt its Carry Permit Policy to the
NYSRPA Ruling
CRPA understands that changes in policy, even changes to adapt to a landmark Supreme
Court ruling, may take some time to implement. To the extent that the Alameda County Sheriff’s
Department acts in good faith to expeditiously revise its policy, CRPA and its members will be
reasonably patient in waiting for it to do so. However, there is also no need for any protracted
timeline for coming into compliance, given the great many examples the Sheriff’s Department
can follow.7
For instance, Tehama County Sheriff’s Department states on its Concealed Weapons
Permits website that “Sheriff-Coroner Dave Hencratt supports the right of law-abiding citizens to
keep and bear arms. In this regard, all qualified residents of Tehama County are eligible to apply
for a permit to carry concealed weapons.”8 The webpage then lists off the four requirements for a
permit including the age minimum of 21, the residency requirement, the mandatory safety
course, and passing the background check. As another example, San Joaquin County Sheriff’s
Department expressly states on its website that “[p]ersonal protection or self-defense is sufficient
to establish good cause” for the issuance of a permit.9 The policies of Tehama or San Joaquin
county are exactly what the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department should replicate to be in
compliance with NYSRPA.
CRPA hereby demands that the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department move with all
deliberate speed to honor the right to bear arms of all citizens living in its jurisdiction by
adapting its permit system as described above. Any refusal to do so will be met with an
immediate lawsuit backed by CRPA. Furthermore, while the Supreme Court’s ruling primarily
pertained to the good cause requirement, CRPA will remain on alert for any efforts to undermine
the right to bear arms through excessive permit processing times, high fees meant to
disenfranchise working class citizens of their right to bear arms, and any other measures aimed at
undermining the Court’s ruling. Indeed, the Court warned that such cynical obstruction would be
grounds for a constitutional challenge: “we do not rule out constitutional challenges to shall-
issue regimes where, for example, lengthy wait times in processing license applications or
exorbitant fees deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry.” NYSRPA, U.S. LEXIS 3055, at
n.9.
CRPA’s hope is that the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department will honor the rule of law
and abide by the Supreme Court’s ruling as soon as possible. To the extent the Alameda County
Sheriff’s Department intends to do just that, CRPA is happy to offer its guidance and assistance on any questions the Sheriff’s Department may have. Please do not hesitate to reach out to us
with any questions or concerns.
Sincerely,
Michel & Associates, P.C.
C.D. Michel
 
New Jersey is giving in easily but they're making it almost impossible to carry anywhere. Regardless of that, it is a step in the right direction for 2A in NJ.
 
I own a Franchi SPAS-12. Bought it back around 1989-90. It's a well made and reliable shotgun. Heavy as can be, and overly complex with the selectable semi-auto to pump design, but it's a shooter.

Funny thing is, the pump action feature wasn't really needed, because the thing will cycle even the lightest of birdshot rounds on semi-auto without fail. It looks and is a bit ungainly, but it cycles fast, like a Benelli M1 Super 90 from the same era.

Every gunsmith school student worth his salt back then had to have at least one gun from The Terminator in his collection. The AMT Longslide, AR-180, semi auto UZI carbine, and SPAS-12 were abundant.
God, why was I born too late for reasonably priced SPAS-12s, AR-180s and other guns like that?

Now it's nothing but ARs in weird calibers, Benelli M4s and Glocks....
 
Weren't those things infamous for parts failure? I know there's a special vendor now that specifically deals in SPAS parts.
I believe a part relating to the safety would get brittle and break as it was some kind of polymer. Thankfully it's a cheap fix.

The sad part is no new SPAS-12s for over 25 years so they get more and more rare and he proce keeps on rising
 
Weren't those things infamous for parts failure? I know there's a special vendor now that specifically deals in SPAS parts.
Yeah, there was a recall way back when. As Falcos mentioned it was a faulty safety lever. Put the gun on safe, pull the trigger, take your finger back off the trigger and when you took the safety off, click, or boom depending on unloaded/loaded status.

It was a casting and heat treating problem. I changed out mine, and 2 or 3 customer guns back in the 90's. The only other problem I saw was a cracked rotary valve. It's a cammed valve that closes the gas ports when the gun is configured as a pump action. Bought a spare for mine just in case, never needed to use it.
 
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God, why was I born too late for reasonably priced SPAS-12s, AR-180s and other guns like that?

Now it's nothing but ARs in weird calibers, Benelli M4s and Glocks....
Yeah, as much as I love the AR, and appreciate Glocks, the market and shooting sports overall are oversaturated with them. There was a time when the only AR's were factory Colt guns and kit guns from SGW/Olympic Arms, and to a lesser extent Bushmaster.

I bought an AR-180 back in the 80's for something like $350 new. I still own some of the guns I bought back then. I paid $839.00 for a new GSI Steyr AUG in 1989. I remember the price because back then that was stupid money, especially for a "plastic" gun. I should have bought 10 at that price.

You could get a new Colt AR-15 SP-1 for $439, an H&K 91 or 93 for around $450-$500. And if you had an FFL and perused Shotgun News, you could still buy a decent surplus M1 Carbine or an M1 Garand for around $250. A Galil .308 with three 25 round mags, side scope mount, and flip up tritium iron sights was $750. Still have the AUG and Galil.

The H&K P7 M8 that's been my favorite carry gun for years now fetches $3000+ these days. Paid $450 for mine. Price insanity.
 
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Yeah, as much as I love the AR, and appreciate Glocks, the market and shooting sports overall are oversaturated with them. There was a time when the only AR's were factory Colt guns and kit guns from SGW/Olympic Arms, and to a lesser extent Bushmaster.

I bought an AR-180 back in the 80's for something like $350 new. I still own some of the guns I bought back then. I paid $839.00 for a new GSI Steyr AUG in 1989. I remember the price because back then that was stupid money, especially for a "plastic" gun. I should have bought 10 at that price.

You could get a new Colt AR-15 SP-1 for $439, an H&K 91 or 93 for around $450-$500. And if you had an FFL and perused Shotgun News, you could still buy a decent surplus M1 Carbine or an M1 Garand for around $250. A Galil .308 with three 25 round mags, side scope mount, and flip up tritium iron sights was $750. Still have the AUG and Galil.

The H&K P7 M8 that's been my favorite carry gun for years now fetches $3000+ these days. Paid $450 for mine. Price insanity.
My dad carries a P7m8. Great pistol.

Any of you ever watch "Mark Serbus other gun channel" ? He showed off his ROF MP, it's a fucking drunk love child of a M3 grease gun and AR. He's also so .. engineer tism in it. "so funny story my friend had a bad relationship with his dad ... his dad called him and shot himself on the phone" WTF....

So any new words on this M5 thing?
 
As a recent Montana fag, my needs for lever guns to larp as a cowboy have drastically increased. I was looking for a 22 to teach the kid to shoot. I know Henrys are always recommended and I have a few, but is it even worth it to look into other brands?
 
As a recent Montana fag, my needs for lever guns to larp as a cowboy have drastically increased. I was looking for a 22 to teach the kid to shoot. I know Henrys are always recommended and I have a few, but is it even worth it to look into other brands?

If you want to take the gamble on Rossi Q/C, they've been dropping some pretty crazy deals on their .22s recently. But overall, you can't beat the Henry for the price.
 
If you want to take the gamble on Rossi Q/C, they've been dropping some pretty crazy deals on their .22s recently. But overall, you can't beat the Henry for the price.
I forgot about Rossi, they were recommended to me last time. Their QC can't be as bad as pre-Ruger Marlin, can it? Granted I've heard bad things about Ruger lately.
 
I forgot about Rossi, they were recommended to me last time. Their QC can't be as bad as pre-Ruger Marlin, can it? Granted I've heard bad things about Ruger lately.
If I'm being honest, I've never actually owned a Rossi. What I've  heard is that the metalwork can be sort of rough. You may have to polish internals, or even do some deburring here and there. I've also heard that they can be a bit picky about what ammo they like to feed. Rossi is owned by the same parent company as Taurus, so take that for what it's worth.
 
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