Mega Rad Gun Thread

[White Devil]

ATF's new pistol brace ruling dropped just in time for SHOT Show.

Tl;dr your brace is now a NFA regulated device if you're not disabled.

 

[Bogliacci]

Tl;dr your brace is now a NFA regulated device if you're not disabled.

Oh don't worry, you can still put a brace on them.

Proceeds to detail explicitly banned configurations including almost every common configuration.

 

[likeacrackado]

Matt from Fuddbusters did a stream on the ruling:

I trust his reading and interpretation (as a practicing lawyer who takes on firearm-focused legal cases) more than any of the myriad of clickbait shit-tubers who will milk this for views, and walk the gun 'community' into the DOJ/ATF's trap of calling this a "brace ban".

 

[Bogliacci]

Matt from Fuddbusters did a stream on the ruling:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xg4RnTWiazE:1100I trust his reading and interpretation (as a practicing lawyer who takes on firearm-focused legal cases) more than any of the myriad of clickbait shit-tubers who will milk this for views, and walk the gun 'community' into the DOJ/ATF's trap of calling this a "brace ban".

Yeah, he had a pretty dour reading and I can't see any reason to disagree. It's a concerted effort to push gun bans all across shitlib america along with the ATF pulling this, and there'll be no effective resistance to any of it.

 

[HumptiDouji]

The only Hi-Point I'd consider buying for myself & can heartily recommend are their .40 carbines; those things handle good, are built well, don't jam (at least not unless it's with a trashed magazine), and make full use of the cartridge. Although now 9mm has more options which equal the .40, I'd still rather have the oddball.

Their carbines are really their best product. You might kinda limpwrist the pistols briefly if you're not used to the slightly different recoil and how they balance, but in carbine form that's not a problem.

ATF's bumpstock ban has been shot down by the 5th Circuit on the basis the ATF ignored their own definition of machine gun and the ambiguous nature of ATF memos previously stating bumpstocks were perfectly legal.

Wonder if a simiar logic could hold for braces somehow?

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Wonder if a simiar logic could hold for braces somehow?

The ATF are trying to redefine what isn't a pistol and are I don't know how many contradictory memos deep on braces. So, there are definitely parallels. Cargill v Garland has to be kicked up to the SCOTUS(and win) for it to really matter though.

 

[PFM]

@Club Sandwich covered the high points. RS is in business, but supply/demand is so crazy, they're always OoS - I know mostly because I have a Century RH-10 (pretty much your M-10, but with worse QC) that has the same goofy high rail. If you're just looking to mount a red dot or reflex sight, you've got other options - multiple gas tube/UHG rails (Ultimak, etc.) are out there and Attero Arms makes a series of mounts that replace the rear sight leaf while retaining a fixed notch that will lower cowitness with a low-mount RDS. If you want something magnified, I'd hold out for the RS Regulate stuff.

As for mounting stocks and other furniture, AKs aren't going to be drop-in like ARs are. Expect to do some fitting on most furniture regardless of vendor - files (and occasionally a Dremel) will be your friends here.

Also, I saw x39 soft point ammo mentioned earlier as being hard to get, but PPU SP ammo is pretty easy to get your hands on (if not particularly cheap) still.

Since you have an RH-10 and are familiar with this particular AK, I have a question: I bought a fighter break I'd like to install. This rifle doesn't have that "button" at the front of the barrel so I literally just unscrew the old break and put the new one on. Do I need to use shims to get the ports perfectly aligned or can I just unscrew one and screw on another?

 

[Club Sandwich]

I bought a fighter break I'd like to install

14x1mm LH locking nut (or jam nut). there isn't enough shoulder on the barrel for a shim or crush washer to be useful. thread on the locking nut completely finger tight, then thread and time the muzzle device appropriately. add a dot of rocksett to a couple threads immediately behind the muzzle device, then loosen (or tighten) the locking nut against the rear of the muzzle device until 30 in-lb is achieved (or hand tight and a quarter more) you have around 2-5 minutes of working time to ensure alignment before rocksett hardens.

 

[WelperHelper99]

My SKS set up is nearly complete, as you can see. Just got the sling and chest rig, the two clips of Fort Scott act as my home defense rounds, and I got 38 more clips in storage, along with more rounds, mostly Russian surplus, a little over 300 in my horde.

Tl;dr your brace is now a NFA regulated device if you're not disabled.

That sucks ass. Hopefully with the bumpstock ruling going our way, the S.C. will stop this.

Their carbines are really their best product. You might kinda limpwrist the pistols briefly if you're not used to the slightly different recoil and how they balance, but in carbine form that's not a problem.

I've always wanted a Hi Point carbine in .45, since it's affordable from where I'm at, that and a dollar store Tommy gun sounds like WAY too much fun. It'd be a nice compliment to my SKS and would allow me to have way more dakka in exchange for range. Even if they don't like hollowpoints that well, as Guns and Ammo reported, it's in 45, a 230 grain slug will work nicely.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

My SKS set up is nearly complete, as you can see. Just got the sling and chest rig, the two clips of Fort Scott act as my home defense rounds, and I got 38 more clips in storage, along with more rounds, mostly Russian surplus, a little over 300 in my horde.
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Never change, fam.

But do any more thought on something like that Firesight fiber-optic front post?

Edit: Sucks, but the Williams sights are discontinued & mostly unavailable from the normal suppliers (Optics Planet, Brownells, etc). So far other options involve just slapping an ugly section of pic-rail & generic "tactical" tritium/fiber-optic sight block on top somewhere, and I can't find anything as unobtrusive as the Williams aperture.

I've always wanted a Hi Point carbine in .45, since it's affordable from where I'm at, that and a dollar store Tommy gun sounds like WAY too much fun. It'd be a nice compliment to my SKS and would allow me to have way more dakka in exchange for range. Even if they don't like hollowpoints that well, as Guns and Ammo reported, it's in 45, a 230 grain slug will work nicely.

The cost of .45 has come down & .40 is either scarce/expensive enough so that I've considered it, but the carbine's barrel-length still makes .40 (or hot 9x19) more worthwhile, to me at least.

Although if I ever built my dream PCC AR it'd definitely be .45 with a can.

As far as hollow-points go, I don't recall any Hi-Point that wasn't finicky about being fed JHP regardless of caliber (but .45 seems to be the pickiest). Unless they're polymer-tipped. YMMV.

 

[HumptiDouji]

The cost of .45 has come down

These times aren't all so bad. Who makes doublestacked 1911s these days by the way? Besides STI International International, they don't look enough like 1911s and I want a more old fashioned look.

& .40 is either scarce/expensive enough so that I've considered it, but the carbine's barrel-length still makes .40 (or hot 9x19) more worthwhile, to me at least.

Well, most .45 loads don't gain that much from having a real long barrel, you get the most out of the kind of length they had on the old Greaseguns and Thompsons.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Who makes doublestacked 1911s these days by the way? Besides STI International International, they don't look enough like 1911s and I want a more old fashioned look.

Here's 10 double stack .45s, but not 1911s.


I know there are more specialty racegun 1911s out there with double-stacks, but not many with the classic GI aesthetic; except from bespoke manufacturers (i.e. Cabot (vomit)).

Well, most .45 loads don't gain that much from having a real long barrel, you get the most out of the kind of length they had on the old Greaseguns and Thompsons.

That's why I'd stick to .40/9mm with ghetto PCC carbines like the Hi-Point, or more the bougie choice with a CZ.

But for .45? Come to think on, a fucking Micro Uzi w/ brace would be my wet-dream gun, like this:

(or SBR'd old-school .45 Uzi w/ wooden stock)

While a stubby AR pistol would still be hilarious, can & drum mandatory though.

 

[Town Drunk]

Most Hi-point owners buy them and then almost forget about them or use them and quickly throw them away.

I agree that a Hi-point is the cheapest pistol you can get that's not trash or dangerous to use. They're big, blocky and overbuilt for thr calibers it's offered in but that's fine.

I'm not a Hi-Point owner, but the hate they get annoys me immensely. I've seen so many videos trying to show how trash they are/destroy them and they always come out on top. American made, good warranty, and tough as nails. I don't recall who said it, "The Hi Point in your drawer is better than the Glock on lay away"

 

[Freedom Fighter]

I'm not a Hi-Point owner, but the hate they get annoys me immensely. I've seen so many videos trying to show how trash they are/destroy them and they always come out on top. American made, good warranty, and tough as nails. I don't recall who said it, "The Hi Point in your drawer is better than the Glock on lay away"

The worst I've seen of Hi-Points is that they jam a lot, but usually this seems to be remedied by changing your grip. Like you said, better than the Glock on lay away.

but so is my Dagger tbh

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I'm not a Hi-Point owner, but the hate they get annoys me immensely. I've seen so many videos trying to show how trash they are/destroy them and they always come out on top. American made, good warranty, and tough as nails. I don't recall who said it, "The Hi Point in your drawer is better than the Glock on lay away"

I don't think anyone who tries to destroy one is testing their reliability & strength; those facts have long been established, even with complete neophytes & normies.

Guntubers who do it these days are only trying to score that sweet warranty replacement and/or free swag; especially since trashing HiPoints is low-hanging fruit w/ guaranteed views, especially since it takes creative abuse to destroy one.... unless they're completely inept & annoying clowns who can fuck even that up, of which there are many now.

Besides.... it seems like now almost everyone knows someone personally with a Hi-Point that has no complaints, except for the seemingly requisite good-natured shitting on them.

Those pistols' (and the company who makes them) reputation is something rare in the firearm world, and I've always found it interesting that Hi-Point banked so much on their warranty policy.

The only other products I can think of with warranties/customer service being the prime selling-point were Craftsman tools & Maytag washing machines; but then again they weren't cheap. It seems like at some point customer service became something you had to pay for, and giving it to customers for free was something almost nobody does anymore.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

I for one, love my little wannabe stubby 9mm AR. They are a lot of fun with a cheap big heavy can.

 

[White Devil]

I seem to remember a Demo Ranch video where Matt shot a Hi Point in the slide and it still functioned.

 

[HumptiDouji]

The worst I've seen of Hi-Points is that they jam a lot, but usually this seems to be remedied by changing your grip.

Yeah, as said, they balance and recoil a little bit different, but you adapt to it. On occasion you might get a magazine where you'll want to carefully tweak the feed lips with some needle nose pliers. The .45 magazines are copied from 1911 ones, so you can actually cut a new notch in one and it'll lock in and feed, there's a replacement magazine release to let you use unmodified 1911 mags instead of Hi-Point ones, but it was like $50 before shipping, which feels high.
If you look around you could get a pair of basic CMC 1911 mags for that, or one of their "PowerMag" 'stendos, which you could easily adapt for the pistol or carbine. Drums which aren't ProMag trash seem in short supply, both for the Hi-Point and 1911.

Speaking of spending money.

That High Tower bullpup stock actually looks cool, supposedly it's better in quality and function in every way to the factory one, and being more in line makes it recoil easier. Putting a $250 stock on a Hi-Point feels a little funny, and aside from the length of pull looking long, I can only imagine how the trigger is like. If you've ever seen those Beretta Storm looking stocks which ATI used to make, apparently those were one of the few things which would void your warranty, because too many people damaged the carbine installing them, and I wonder if the same is possible here.

Might be worth it for some, as this is the only option I know of for someone who wants a bullpup in 10mm Auto, and High Tower are apparently working on double-stack magazines for using with this stock. I have no idea if they'll ever make that happen, but with the magwell using a removable insert planned for that purpose, I guess that would let a tinkerer have a go at it themselves.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Speaking of spending money.
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That High Tower bullpup stock actually looks cool, supposedly it's better in quality and function in every way to the factory one, and being more in line makes it recoil easier.

Putting a $250 stock on a Hi-Point feels a little funny, and aside from the length of pull looking long, I can only imagine how the trigger is like. If you've ever seen those Beretta Storm looking stocks which ATI used to make, apparently those were one of the few things which would void your warranty, because too many people damaged the carbine installing them, and I wonder if the same is possible here.

Speaking of furniture that cost as much as the rifle; remember the Promag Archangel? Those things were like $300-400 when new, and around that time most SKS cost about the same.
In a rare turn for Promag, the product functions & offers marked improvement over OEM. I didn't pay for mine though, and it came from the box of parts that accompanied the rifle. I decided to finish the project for giggles & then return it to original, but decided to keep the thing as is. Even the 30rd magazine is an aberration for Promag in that it actually works, and can be fed with stripper clips instead of needing 3 hands to remove the magazine.

Might be worth it for some, as this is the only option I know of for someone who wants a bullpup in 10mm Auto, and High Tower are apparently working on double-stack magazines for using with this stock. I have no idea if they'll ever make that happen, but with the magwell using a removable insert planned for that purpose, I guess that would let a tinkerer have a go at it themselves.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Never change, fam.

But do any more thought on something like that Firesight fiber-optic front post?

Edit: Sucks, but the Williams sights are discontinued & mostly unavailable from the normal suppliers (Optics Planet, Brownells, etc). So far other options involve just slapping an ugly section of pic-rail & generic "tactical" tritium/fiber-optic sight block on top somewhere, and I can't find anything as unobtrusive as the Williams aperture.

The cost of .45 has come down & .40 is either scarce/expensive enough so that I've considered it, but the carbine's barrel-length still makes .40 (or hot 9x19) more worthwhile, to me at least.

Although if I ever built my dream PCC AR it'd definitely be .45 with a can.

As far as hollow-points go, I don't recall any Hi-Point that wasn't finicky about being fed JHP regardless of caliber (but .45 seems to be the pickiest). Unless they're polymer-tipped. YMMV.

Thanks man and thanks for letting me know about the sights. Haven't thought too hard on it honestly, but have ordered a cleaning kit for the old SKS to finally complete the set. That's also interesting to hear about the Hi-point with hollowpoints. Must depend on the ammo.