Mega Rad Gun Thread

[BONE_Buddy]

I figured they were going to be up and running again. There are items in the DoD inventory that use black powder.

Look man, with the way thing are going as of late behind the scenes of procurement, I would have given it a coin-flip chance of happening.

Military procurement has been a shitshow for a long time, arguably it has never been "good." However the ability to get necessary shit through used to be easier. Lobbying was always a semi-required condition, after all it is politicians and the political military that bought the products. However now the manufacturer has to enforce ideological compliance, Bio-Leninism included, if they want to sell anything. Of course HR and the Managerial Caste, myself NOT included, were more than happy to be handmaidens in that takeover. Combine the above with "I Fucking Love Science" levels of understanding the military from the Political Caste. Which is to say they have just enough knowledge to be able to make the most retarded decisions.

These have been faster growing problems since the end of the Cold War, and exponentially so since the 2000s. The current crop of retardation is so strong that we are now blocking the building of new munitions facilities for "environmental reasons" on land that is already being used for the manufacture of these exact munitions. Mind you, this is the same crew which has deemed the Ukraine War so important that we are stripping global Ready Reserves and and Active Duty units of their shells and missiles so that we may ship them over to that damned war.

To bring it back around, I am half surprised that they aren't holding up the GOEX facility for some ephemeral reason.

 

[Meat Target]

So, this happened at SHOT Show:

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I didn't know this thing exists, no thanks to being kissed by corona when FW did the video for it.

I wonder if this is the same one; it wouldn't surprise me.

One HK slap is sick, but being able to do a double slap?

My life is somehow emptier now.

 

[Club Sandwich]

the HK 21 and HK 21E are two different weapons. the HK 21E is modernized and designed to accept NATO M13 and DM6 links as well as NATO standard tripods and ammunition box attachments. there are additional changes to the bolt and locking piece for sustained fire, redesigned buffer, different barrel profile and shroud as well. these modernizations also standardized the "E" export additions allowing multiple calibers with very simple conversion kits. the HK 21 lacks much of those but is lighter by a couple kg and has an arguably simpler more robust trigger mechanism, fewer parts, and more in common with older G3 rifles.

i have an older HK 21E from the early 1980's (and the 23E conversion kit) that still has some commonality with the HK 21, but it really is it's own GPMG.

 

[WelperHelper99]

the HK 21 and HK 21E are two different weapons. the HK 21E is modernized and designed to accept NATO M13 and DM6 links as well as NATO standard tripods and ammunition box attachments. there are additional changes to the bolt and locking piece for sustained fire, redesigned buffer, different barrel profile and shroud as well. these modernizations also standardized the "E" export additions allowing multiple calibers with very simple conversion kits. the HK 21 lacks much of those but is lighter by a couple kg and has an arguably simpler more robust trigger mechanism, fewer parts, and more in common with older G3 rifles.

i have an older HK 21E from the early 1980's (and the 23E conversion kit) that still has some commonality with the HK 21, but it really is it's own GPMG.

I wouldn't mind a civilian belt fed of anything really. I know they make AR conversion kits that do just that, but I just wish you could get a belt fed from factory that isn't 5000+ bucks, like the FN minimi clone. Like, give me a 9mm or even a .38 special belt fed, that'd be fun as shit in a lightweight rifle.

As for the HK 21, I've watched that video several times. A really good gun, just a shame it wasn't wider adopted.

 

[likeacrackado]

So apparently foreign made braced pistols aren't eligible to become SBRs because of 922(r) compliance.
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Also on AK railed dust covers it'll be interesting to see how the MidWest industries one does.

Another take on the situation:

To me it appears the usual suspects (gun """"news""" youtubers and professional law-begging organizations) are purposefully assuming the worst from every little sentence they can find, outside of any context, for personal gain.

 

[Mikoyan]

So, this happened at SHOT Show:

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Not as good as Dugan going up to their booth looking like David Koresh.

I mean, more than usual.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Another take on the situation:

To me it appears the usual suspects (gun """"news""" youtubers and professional law-begging organizations) are purposefully assuming the worst from every little sentence they can find, outside of any context, for personal gain.

Well that's good to hear. I figured FRAC would be a little more reliable but whatever.

While I personally I get assuming the worst fron the ATF, but you've got to think reasonably about it.

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

Another WW2 SMG designed by a kid:

 

[CarlosDanger]

Another WW2 SMG designed by a kid:

Just got done watching the video and it is insane a teenager, without seeing the insides of smg could get a functional gun up and running.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Speaking of homebrew subguns....

Check out the micro-PDW hanging off this Georgian civil-war fighter, easily earning him an alibi for that fedora & popped collar; circa 1991.

But I still want that jacket, holy shit.

 

[HumptiDouji]

we are stripping global Ready Reserves and and Active Duty units of their shells and missiles so that we may ship them over to that damned war.

The US has barely scratched the surface and has mostly sent a bunch of older shit which is already paid for. Europe may be a different matter, depending on country, but Russia is the only significant actor for NATO be wary of, so on that point it's proactive.

I wouldn't mind a civilian belt fed of anything really. I know they make AR conversion kits that do just that, but I just wish you could get a belt fed from factory that isn't 5000+ bucks, like the FN minimi clone. Like, give me a 9mm or even a .38 special belt fed, that'd be fun as shit in a lightweight rifle.

Isn't there some 9mm AR15 upper which is belt-fed? That's pretty much your option I think, with unb& bumpstocks that sounds like it could be fun. Not sure how well that'd hold up though, a big reason for the cost of the Minimi and similar is because they're built stout so that they don't wear out from frequent heavy fire.

There's semi-auto parts kits builds of Soviet RPD machineguns, they'd be tough enough and could probably have a bumpstock devised for them. Not widely available currently, but you could probably still find a DSA one for cheaper than the Minimi.

Just got done watching the video and it is insane a teenager, without seeing the insides of smg could get a functional gun up and running.

Normally I'd say that it's not that weird given how simple SMGs of the era were, but the funny part is that it's an overgrown Eibar pistol since that's all he knew, so it's more complex than it needs to be. Based kid.

Looking at that video again now, it seems the demilling consisted of drilling the barrel and chamber, and the 'housing' for the barrel, so it probably wouldn't be hard to reactivate that gun at all by making a new barrel for it, find an old bubba'd and worn Mauser and bore out the barrel on that for authenticity's sake, could probably get away fine with not patching the hole on the housing, you're gonna be shooting light 115gr ball for funsies anyway. Possibly they fucked with the slide, but that'd wouldn't be much harder to fix.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Just got done watching the video and it is insane a teenager, without seeing the insides of smg could get a functional gun up and running.

To be fair, what is a SMG if not a Fuck hueg pistol? Reverse engineering the Ruby pistol was absolute genius.

The US has barely scratched the surface and has mostly sent a bunch of older shit which is already paid for. Europe may be a different matter, depending on country, but Russia is the only significant actor for NATO be wary of, so on that point it's proactive.


Isn't there some 9mm AR15 upper which is belt-fed? That's pretty much your option I think, with unb& bumpstocks that sounds like it could be fun. Not sure how well that'd hold up though, a big reason for the cost of the Minimi and similar is because they're built stout so that they don't wear out from frequent heavy fire.
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There's semi-auto parts kits builds of Soviet RPD machineguns, they'd be tough enough and could probably have a bumpstock devised for them. Not widely available currently, but you could probably still find a DSA one for cheaper than the Minimi.

For the US reserves, you're right. Right now we're in the middle of upgrading just about everything. Getting rid of some old shit is nothing. We haven't touched our aircraft or navy at all.

As for MY question, that's really cool to know. Getting a 9mm belt fed AR would not only take the meaning of home defense to a whole new meaning, just dinking around with that at the range, especially if Bump Stocks become common again, would be hilariously fun.

And yeah I get why the FN Minimi costs a arm and a leg. The AR 9mm fun gun would probably get demolished after a while, but the point of it is to have fun lol. Still back to my OG question, I wonder if u could make a 38 special belt fed AR. I'd pay good money to share ammo with my revolver.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Another take on the situation:

To me it appears the usual suspects (gun """"news""" youtubers and professional law-begging organizations) are purposefully assuming the worst from every little sentence they can find, outside of any context, for personal gain.

As usual, most of them are fear mongering to sell you shit or make you mad so they can solicit donations and sell you shit....

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

As usual, most of them are fear mongering to sell you shit or make you mad so they can solicit donations and sell you shit....

As if I don't already want to buy the shit; then they go and remind everyone that they don't pay for the shit, while poors & plebs either can't afford, buy, or play with the shit anyways (at least without an ATF permission slip).

At this point I'd rather watch them plugging Raid: Shadow Legends, Nord VPN, or fake nobility titles; those are good for a laugh, and a reminder that at least I'm not a gacha addict.

I'll take my tophats now.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Nodakspud (now and H&R) I'd launching some retro rifles.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The HIW VSK (Cönders-Röchling Volkssturmkarabiner), a blow-forward rifle & carbine.

MANUFACTURER(S)​

Hessische Industriewerke Wetzlar

DESIGNER(S)​

August Cönders

PRODUCTION BEGAN​

1944

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS​

WEAPON TYPE​

Self-loading rifle
Carbine

CALIBER​

7.92x57mm (rifle)
7.92x33mm Kurz (carbine)

ACTION​

Blow forward

LENGTH​

24.1 inches (61.2 centimeters)

BARREL LENGTH​

16 inches (40.7 centimeters)

FEED SYSTEM​

5-round internal magazine

The VSK (Volkssturmkarabiner) was a German prototype self-loading carbine intended as a Volkssturm weapon and used blow forward operation. The VSK was designed by August Cönders in 1944. The weapon uses a blow-forward action with a movable barrel. Ammo is stored in a non-removable box magazine which holds 5 rounds. The rifle's action is similar to that of a double-action revolver. Pulling the trigger causes the hammer to drop, causing the bolt to unlock and push the barrel forward. When the barrel is blown forward, the gas pressure is high. When the pressure of the gases come back down to atmospheric pressure, the barrel returns to its rear position; this activates the ejector, ejecting the cartridge and causing a new cartridge to be loaded into the weapon. The barrel jacket has holes in it to cool the barrel, while the barrel has polygonal rifling.

TFB article w/ action & designer details


August Coenders w/ MG design.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The HIW VSK (Cönders-Röchling Volkssturmkarabiner), a blow-forward rifle & carbine.
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TFB article w/ action & designer details
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August Coenders w/ MG design.
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I love this wacky German end of days shit. Literal Fallout Weaponry. This one is basically a Mauser but semi auto. And for what it is, kinda sexy. That heat shroud is simply beautiful, and a sign of German over engineering, even when they were losing everything.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Nodakspud (now and H&R) I'd launching some retro rifles.

So this is why NDS stuff vanished..... So they can make niche meme ARs.... Yay

Also they're 6 months late on NDS stuff..... Typical PSA shit

Oh and YouTube has been hard at work trying to get rid of most interesting gun channels

 

[Meat Target]

Oh and YouTube has been hard at work trying to get rid of most interesting gun channels

I heard Gun Jesus got a strike for some reason.