Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Should I get a hipower as a first gun? I want something that looks cool and shoots 9mm and I'm torn between that and a CZ75.

 

[HumptiDouji]

IMO, that doesn't completely disqualify him. You shouldn't get all your information from one source. But you should consider your sources' backgrounds, experience, and training. Different things are gonna work for different people in different circumstances.

Sure, but some of his opinions are just retarded.

Is the 5.7 a gimmick round like the 10x25mm?

No, 10mm Auto is a good pistol cartridge.

Am I missing something? I'm aware of it's armor-penetrating ability with the right ammo, but to my knowledge, that particular round isn't available to civvies.

The only use case which ever sounded like it made any sense to me was when Paul Harrell suggested it would make some sense for someone who drives an armored money transport, because you could expect to face an attacker wearing body armor, which I guess makes some sense, but I would much rather have an AR15 with M855.
I've heard that some of the people who survived the Ft. Hood snackbar went on to carry Five Seven pistols, not because they were really sold on the ballistics or anything, but because it has very high capacity, and 20+1rds is indeed a lot.

However, for what FN asks for a plastic framed pistol with a grip which feels like a 2x4 and a to me dubious cartridge, I can also buy a nice Wilson Combat Tactical Centurion with a bunch of MecGar 20rd magazines. The mags don't protrude much, the grip is more comfortable, the ammunition is much cheaper, the gun is far less loud, it's DA/SA, looks prettier, feels nicer, and overall it's a far more appealing shooting iron to me.

Without the penetrator that cartridge is pretty pointless (get it?) because it overpenetrates soft targets very easily no matter what ammo you pick while it fails to penetrate any more modern armor types. Even if you had the fancy armor piercing ammo you'd only be able to defeat Kevlar, Steel pots and old soviet Titanium body armor from the Afghanistan era.

The ballistics also suck after getting through any kind of good Kevlar armor. Lehigh were working on some copper solids for it some time back, did they ever make with that? I imagine it could improve things.

Tbf, the armor pen stats were what it was asked to do, to take out lightly armored troops. AP 5.7 pens armor way better than 9mm.

Shitty old Swedish m39/b shits over it, and I don't think it would be that hard to develop a better 9mm AP load which does this yet better, and without raping bores or blowing up old pistols.

 

[DocAwe]

Should I get a hipower as a first gun? I want something that looks cool and shoots 9mm and I'm torn between that and a CZ75.

I like the BHP but between those two, CZ75 all day.
The CZ75 simply offers far more options.
The BHP is that guy everyone forgets about until he brings a cake to the break room on his birthday.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Sure, but some of his opinions are just retarded.


No, 10mm Auto is a good pistol cartridge.


The only use case which ever sounded like it made any sense to me was when Paul Harrell suggested it would make some sense for someone who drives an armored money transport, because you could expect to face an attacker wearing body armor, which I guess makes some sense, but I would much rather have an AR15 with M855.
I've heard that some of the people who survived the Ft. Hood snackbar went on to carry Five Seven pistols, not because they were really sold on the ballistics or anything, but because it has very high capacity, and 20+1rds is indeed a lot.
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However, for what FN asks for a plastic framed pistol with a grip which feels like a 2x4 and a to me dubious cartridge, I can also buy a nice Wilson Combat Tactical Centurion with a bunch of MecGar 20rd magazines. The mags don't protrude much, the grip is more comfortable, the ammunition is much cheaper, the gun is far less loud, it's DA/SA, looks prettier, feels nicer, and overall it's a far more appealing shooting iron to me.


The ballistics also suck after getting through any kind of good Kevlar armor. Lehigh were working on some copper solids for it some time back, did they ever make with that? I imagine it could improve things.


Shitty old Swedish m39/b shits over it, and I don't think it would be that hard to develop a better 9mm AP load which does this yet better, and without raping bores or blowing up old pistols.
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You make some good points man. I'd forgotten about the Swedish 9mm, but as u said, it rapes barrels. You are correct about 5.7's poor after armor effects, though playing devils advocate, you're getting 20+ rounds in a pistol that can pen Level II plates with 30% less recoil than 9mm; you have the option of just poking more holes.

Really I see it as this for the civvie grade 5.7: low weight per round, high capacity in a relatively compact package, flat trajectory, and low recoil. We do accept that .22LR  can kill, surely accepting that 5.7 wuth way more energy can knock a target flat isnt much of a stretch, right?

On that same note, just talking lethality, what about 38 Special compared to 5.7. .38 is the complete opposite: slow, fat, rimmed, and low pressure. Yet it's track record in military and police service is indisputable, in fact it is still in active use in some places like Japan. 5.7 is the other half of that coin; small, fast, high pressure, but lethal.

 

[HumptiDouji]

NDS doesn't exist anymore as an entity.

I'm aware, but everything I ever recall hearing about them over the years was them having a very small production output and having to be put on a long waiting list to get it.
Doesn't seem like the end result is that different for the customer is what I mean.

I'd forgotten about the Swedish 9mm, but as u said, it rapes barrels.

Because it's a lead bullet with a thick steel jacket plated in alloy, it doesn't take much tweaking to the design with something akin to a driving band to save your rifling, and I'm sure the design could be improved in regards to cutting soft armor and terminal ballistics as well without going to way too exotic places.

We do accept that .22LR  can kill, surely accepting that 5.7 wuth way more energy can knock a target flat isnt much of a stretch, right?

Sure, but .22LR is dirt cheap even on the higher end, with a world of difference in noise, and there's tiny pistols for it. There's no 'Commander' sized or compact 5.7mm pistol, it's full sized or nothing.
I certainly don't want to be shot with it, and being a rimless centerfire with more power I'll put more stock in 5.7mm than the meme that is .22WMR for carry guns, but I think that it's got little appeal past the novelty. Some like to hunt small game with it, I guess.

On that same note, just talking lethality, what about 38 Special compared to 5.7. .38 is the complete opposite: slow, fat, rimmed, and low pressure.

Pressure itself doesn't tell you everything, .25 Auto is 25000psi, higher in pressure than .45 Auto, 21000psi, but the latter unquestionably has far more energy.

Yet it's track record in military and police service is indisputable, in fact it is still in active use in some places like Japan.

That's more complacency on their part, they have low levels of shootings and their society is practically a Yakuza racket from top to bottom, thus when a rando opens fire with a pipegun on a VIP who's way out in the open, they react slowly and poorly, as they have exactly zero habit for it.

When police and crime families have "an understanding" where the latter do their own "policing" to look out for and cracking down on the lowest level "indepentent" crooks in exchange for having their rackets protected from police, those guns exist mainly for the kooks or the thugs who manage to slip through the cracks.

That isn't a diss on .38 Special, it's THE snubnose cartridge, and it's not like things would be different if they had Glock 17s instead, but it's more that they're not a particularly good example, nor a good argument in the cartridge's favor, they stick with it because they can usually get away with the bare minimum, which doesn't always work out for them.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Seen on Ft. Bliss


There goes the weekend, and probably some rank.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

You make some good points man. I'd forgotten about the Swedish 9mm, but as u said, it rapes barrels. You are correct about 5.7's poor after armor effects, though playing devils advocate, you're getting 20+ rounds in a pistol that can pen Level II plates with 30% less recoil than 9mm; you have the option of just poking more holes.

Really I see it as this for the civvie grade 5.7: low weight per round, high capacity in a relatively compact package, flat trajectory, and low recoil. We do accept that .22LR  can kill, surely accepting that 5.7 wuth way more energy can knock a target flat isnt much of a stretch, right?

On that same note, just talking lethality, what about 38 Special compared to 5.7. .38 is the complete opposite: slow, fat, rimmed, and low pressure. Yet it's track record in military and police service is indisputable, in fact it is still in active use in some places like Japan. 5.7 is the other half of that coin; small, fast, high pressure, but lethal.

Too bad no one makes modern 7.62x25mm loads... Wonder how well it would perform against level IIIA plates with a modern projectile.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Seen on Ft. Bliss
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There goes the weekend, and probably some rank.

Tempting tbh.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Seen on Ft. Bliss











There goes the weekend, and probably some rank.

Nice try, CID

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Too bad no one makes modern 7.62x25mm loads... Wonder how well it would perform against level IIIA plates with a modern projectile.

As in something with Lehigh monolithic alloy penetrators/cavitators/excavators?


There are a few places in Europe that offer different flavors of 7.62 Tokarev. Prvi Partizan has a good 85gr JHP, stated velocity is 1675fps for those. I've always kept a box of them handy, just in case. It's super hard to find, but it's good ammo.

And yes, a Polish Tokarev was my first pistol, and carried it for a good while before finding the Chicom 9mm variant. Then it was exciting having so much choice in ammo, but I still love the 7.62x25.


For what it's worth, the backyard testing I did on a meat-target of my own design years ago showed expansion enough to make a difference, and it still blew thru some pretty thick bone. And it explodes pumpkins real good, instead of just punching holes in them.

I'd love an SBR'd AK in 7.62x25, or something like the CZ Scorpion; but it'll never happen in my lifetime.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

As in something with Lehigh monolithic alloy penetrators/cavitators/excavators?


There are a few places in Europe that offer different flavors of 7.62 Tokarev. Prvi Partizan has a good 85gr JHP, stated velocity is 1675fps for those. I've always kept a box of them handy, just in case. It's super hard to find, but it's good ammo.

And yes, a Polish Tokarev was my first pistol, and carried it for a good while before finding the Chicom 9mm variant. Then it was exciting having so much choice in ammo, but I still love the 7.62x25.
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For what it's worth, the backyard testing I did on a meat-target of my own design years ago showed expansion enough to make a difference, and it still blew thru some pretty thick bone. And it explodes pumpkins real good, instead of just punching holes in them.

I'd love an SBR'd AK in 7.62x25, or something like the CZ Scorpion; but it'll never happen in my lifetime.

Those Lehigh Defense monolithic projectiles would be the tits, that's exactly what I was thinking of. May have to get some, for science.

https://lehighdefense.com/308-diameter-85-grain-xtreme-cavitator-bullets-50-count.html

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Shpitalniy sub-machinegun, developed in 1943.

It looks like something is missing, like the bolt & rear half of the receiver.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I'm aware, but everything I ever recall hearing about them over the years was them having a very small production output and having to be put on a long waiting list to get it.
Doesn't seem like the end result is that different for the customer is what I mean.


Because it's a lead bullet with a thick steel jacket plated in alloy, it doesn't take much tweaking to the design with something akin to a driving band to save your rifling, and I'm sure the design could be improved in regards to cutting soft armor and terminal ballistics as well without going to way too exotic places.

Sure, but .22LR is dirt cheap even on the higher end, with a world of difference in noise, and there's tiny pistols for it. There's no 'Commander' sized or compact 5.7mm pistol, it's full sized or nothing.
I certainly don't want to be shot with it, and being a rimless centerfire with more power I'll put more stock in 5.7mm than the meme that is .22WMR for carry guns, but I think that it's got little appeal past the novelty. Some like to hunt small game with it, I guess.


Pressure itself doesn't tell you everything, .25 Auto is 25000psi, higher in pressure than .45 Auto, 21000psi, but the latter unquestionably has far more energy.


That's more complacency on their part, they have low levels of shootings and their society is practically a Yakuza racket from top to bottom, thus when a rando opens fire with a pipegun on a VIP who's way out in the open, they react slowly and poorly, as they have exactly zero habit for it.

When police and crime families have "an understanding" where the latter do their own "policing" to look out for and cracking down on the lowest level "indepentent" crooks in exchange for having their rackets protected from police, those guns exist mainly for the kooks or the thugs who manage to slip through the cracks.

That isn't a diss on .38 Special, it's THE snubnose cartridge, and it's not like things would be different if they had Glock 17s instead, but it's more that they're not a particularly good example, nor a good argument in the cartridge's favor, they stick with it because they can usually get away with the bare minimum, which doesn't always work out for them.

You make some decent points ngl. Really where I was going with the .38 Special comparison is that, even though it has limitations, it still gets the job done. Just as 5.7 does. And just like .38, there are better cartridges. But I would argue that 5.7 has its place, notably ammo capacity, which as only gotten cheaper as newer guns have been introduced.

On the Japan angle for a sec, they actually have this neat little police revolver, the New Nambu M60, basically the merger between a 5 shot J frame, and the size of a K frame.

Japan makes weird guns when it makes them at all, as always

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

 

[TheGreatDodongus]

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Slam fire, I assume. Or I guess 'slap fire' would be more appropriate, in this case.

For how close you'd have to be to hit anything with this thing, I'd think a knife would be more practical and foolproof, and almost certainly more lethal.

Still, a clever bit of engineering.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

The Brujeria Rifle w/ Electromagnet Recoil Reduction from Fry Tech​

The Brujeria with a Raptor V Muzzle Brake from Novalite Armaments​

This innovative design strategically places the Fry Tech Buffer System(electromagnet) within the stock and chamber to drastically reduce recoil. The energy produced by the discharged ammunition is stored in an on-board battery, which ensures that the weapon remains fully charged and ready to fire shot after shot.

Patent pending 3D print, chambered in 9mm.

Fry Tech LLC specializes in customizing GUNCAD parts and accessories to aid builders in creating their 3D masterpieces.

They also customize components and kits from other GUNCAD manufacturers that can be re-sold. The Brujeria on display was almost a complete 3D print.

The Brujeria is not currently in production but you can View the Patent or Watch the Rifle Assembly.

Patent
Disassembly:

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

Feeling cute, might change the course of 20th century warfare later idk.


Also a new forgotten Weapons video is out:

Ian is watching this thread I can feel it

 

[SuperConglomerateWhale]

State legislature in New Mexico is trying to ram through their whole anti gun agenda and representatives aren't taking calls. Shits going to get stupid.

Well they have to try and keep our boys (ykyk) from waltzing into school campuses because admins are too oblivious to 21 year olds touring the buildings.

Anyway, a couple of days ago I took the plunge and bought an Aero M5 lower and it currently sits at the FFL as I wait for NICS (fuck NJ NICS btw) to get through their weeklong backlog. I managed to snag a BA 16" mid length barrel from B King for $101 after tax and shipping, they still have some left. Ordered an M5 upper from Brownells and now I need to wait for my next paycheck to buy more goodies. According to gunstruction, it'll be 36" long and weigh a little over 11lbs when done.

 

[PFM]

I've now got my RS Regulate mount and AKOG adaptor, I just gotta wait for my Primary Arms SLx 3X in the mail and USPS sucks cock. Progress....

 

[WelperHelper99]

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Ah 25 auto I presume. Yeah that'd work in a pen gun, but honestly, just based on pure energy, I think you'd be better with plain old 22. Still cool to see.