Mega Rad Gun Thread

[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

Would a 30-30 be considered useless against Grizzly Bears and Moose?

I'm in a bit of a debate with someone- the only rifle I own is a Arsenal SAM7R Milled AK in 7.62x39- I have something of a reverse-fudd acquaintance who tells me 7.62x39mm is outdated and utterly useless and that if I really wanted a home defense rifle (that's not an AR- I really don't like ARs) I'd get a AK74 in 5.45x39. Because the context for this conversation is that I live above the arctic circle, I'm trying to argue that if you really had nothing else 7.62x39mm would be better at defending against a charging bear or moose than a sub-22 meme caliber due to the better stopping power. He's trying to argue that the 5.45 is a "poison bullet" that would be better because it fragments and richochets and causes a nastier wound

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

i thought the channel was called "guntreviews" and felt my soul leave my body for a second.

You too? My brain still adds the "t" whenever I see his videos suggested, so I guess henceforth his channel will always be Guntreviews.

I wonder if he knows....

those magazines that go with every turkish 12ga look gross, i always wondered why they don't just take VEPR mags.

There's probably just one Turkish company/factory that produces most of the magazines used in their industry, so they can get them for kuruş on the Lira.

i also wonder why motherfucker from MDArms stopped working on the double stack saiga mag...

My guess is that trying to cram a double-stack of rimmed shotshells into a single-feed simply wouldn't work without adding something like an interrupter; and a double-feed would've required a completely redesigned bolt. I mean, it probably could be done, but not cheap & reliable enough to make any money.

Would a 30-30 be considered useless against Grizzly Bears and Moose?

Tl;dr- No; it's better than nothing, and nothing is truly useless.

But it also depends on who you ask, to wit:

I'm in a bit of a debate with someone- the only rifle I own is a Arsenal SAM7R Milled AK in 7.62x39- I have something of a reverse-fudd acquaintance who tells me 7.62x39mm is outdated and utterly useless and that if I really wanted a home defense rifle (that's not an AR- I really don't like ARs) I'd get a AK74 in 5.45x39. Because the context for this conversation is that I live above the arctic circle, I'm trying to argue that if you really had nothing else 7.62x39mm would be better at defending against a charging bear or moose than a sub-22 meme caliber due to the better stopping power. He's trying to argue that the 5.45 is a "poison bullet" that would be better because it fragments and richochets and causes a nastier wound

You'll never have a rational, good-faith discussion on the subject with that amount of autism, especially if they're unironically referring to the 5.45 as the "poison-bullet".

Just walk away lol.

 

[Glock 19 Gen 5]

Would a 30-30 be considered useless against Grizzly Bears and Moose?

Read this: https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/
Any gun can be effective against a bear. Moose are different creatures, but 30-30 or 7.62x39 should be fine if you have to. To echo Pocket Dragon, your acquaintance sounds very gay and not worth taking that sort of advice from. Even having a Glock in greater than or equal to 9mm should be enough to protect yourself from wildlife, 10mm with good full power ammo is the standard* (*handgun) from what I understand and have read, but YMMV.

 

[Yandex Captcha Solver]

Would a 30-30 be considered useless against Grizzly Bears and Moose?

Useless? People carry 10mm for bear defense. A 30-30 will punch a lot more punch than a super hot P++ 10mm ever could. I would look for ammo specifically for grizzly defense. Some people hunt Grizzly with a 30-30, but I would go with a hotter round. You got what you got though and something is better than nothing.

I'm trying to argue that if you really had nothing else 7.62x39mm would be better at defending against a charging bear or moose than a sub-22 meme caliber due to the better stopping power. He's trying to argue that the 5.45 is a "poison bullet" that would be better because it fragments and richochets and causes a nastier wound

I thought this guy want anti-fudd? This is the most fudd meme out there. As the above posters have said, disengage, the only thing you'll lose is brain cells arguing with that.

7.62x39 will deliver a larger, heavier bullet, at higher muzzle velocity than 5.45 at closer range. You will find ammo easier and have more advance bullets than 5.45, strengthening it's position more. If you are shooting a grizzly at 100 yards, go grab the 30-30. I'd much rather use a 7.62x51/308 semi auto over an AK, but there is no need to rush out an buy a SCAR.

 

[DocAwe]

Would a 30-30 be considered useless against Grizzly Bears and Moose?

I'm in a bit of a debate with someone- the only rifle I own is a Arsenal SAM7R Milled AK in 7.62x39- I have something of a reverse-fudd acquaintance who tells me 7.62x39mm is outdated and utterly useless and that if I really wanted a home defense rifle (that's not an AR- I really don't like ARs) I'd get a AK74 in 5.45x39. Because the context for this conversation is that I live above the arctic circle, I'm trying to argue that if you really had nothing else 7.62x39mm would be better at defending against a charging bear or moose than a sub-22 meme caliber due to the better stopping power. He's trying to argue that the 5.45 is a "poison bullet" that would be better because it fragments and richochets and causes a nastier wound

"Poison bullet" was a nickname the Mujahideen gave the 5.45 in Afghanistan during the war with the Soviets.
It does NOT fragment or ricochet.
The tip of the bullet has an empty air pocket in it. On impact the base shifts forward causing it to tumble and yaw unpredictability causing a greater wound than expected.
Hadjis had never seen anything like that before and gave it that name, it just stuck is all.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Here's something for our wheelgun fam:
The "Wrapid" speedloader

"Poison bullet" was a nickname the Mujahideen gave the 5.45 in Afghanistan during the war with the Soviets.
It does NOT fragment or ricochet.
The tip of the bullet has an empty air pocket in it. On impact the base shifts forward causing it to tumble and yaw unpredictability causing a greater wound than expected.
Hadjis had never seen anything like that before and gave it that name, it just stuck is all.

I've bought lots of relatively recent production, spam-can fresh Russian 7.62x39 that was hollow-tip as well; although I don't know when they started doing it that way. And invariably when loading magazines on a public range, at least one firing-line expert will observe & feel the need to opine that it causes the rounds to either expand or fragment.

As it has happened over the years, I've also noticed that these individuals all possess the same redditor phenotype; so they're easily avoided once you can spot them.

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Speaking of which....

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

Hornady claims to have created a cartridge that replicates .22-250 performance in a AR-15 package. Factory ammo options range in gr weight from 62-88gr. Hornady has a multitude of other videos on the cartridge comparing it to several other different cartridges and outlining it's use case but I'm not linking them all.

This would have been bigger news 3-5 years ago. The limiting factor on 22-250 has always been the slow twist rate (1:14) meaning that 55gr was running the edge of stability. In the past 3 years just about every gun manufacturer who makes 22-250 offers multiple twist rates down to 1:9. This means that you can buy a factory 22-250 that does what they are touting. The only advantage I can see is it fits in an AR-15.

I have been reliably informed that at least one major ammunition manufacturer has looked that the feasibility of making this.

Would a 30-30 be considered useless against Grizzly Bears and Moose?

I'm in a bit of a debate with someone- the only rifle I own is a Arsenal SAM7R Milled AK in 7.62x39- I have something of a reverse-fudd acquaintance who tells me 7.62x39mm is outdated and utterly useless and that if I really wanted a home defense rifle (that's not an AR- I really don't like ARs) I'd get a AK74 in 5.45x39. Because the context for this conversation is that I live above the arctic circle, I'm trying to argue that if you really had nothing else 7.62x39mm would be better at defending against a charging bear or moose than a sub-22 meme caliber due to the better stopping power. He's trying to argue that the 5.45 is a "poison bullet" that would be better because it fragments and richochets and causes a nastier wound

He is retarded. I would take 30-30 or 7.62x39 any day over 5.45 for backcountry defense. Bigger bullet means more likelihood of hitting something vital. Also the average bullet weight of both of those are more then double 5.45. Assuming att things are equal heavier bullets retain terminal velocity better which means deeper penetration and more energy hitting the important bits.

Read this: https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attacks-104-cases-97-effective/
Any gun can be effective against a bear. Moose are different creatures, but 30-30 or 7.62x39 should be fine if you have to. To echo Pocket Dragon, your acquaintance sounds very gay and not worth taking that sort of advice from. Even having a Glock in greater than or equal to 9mm should be enough to protect yourself from wildlife, 10mm with good full power ammo is the standard* (*handgun) from what I understand and have read, but YMMV.

A lot of the backcountry guys have been switching from 44 to 10mm on account of getting 2.5 times more shots before having to reload. I would consider 10mm the minimum for bear defense.

I've bought lots of relatively recent production, spam-can fresh Russian 7.62x39 that was hollow-tip as well; although I don't know when they started doing it that way. And invariably when loading magazines on a public range, at least one firing-line expert will observe & feel the need to opine that it causes the rounds to either expand or fragment.

It’s also called open tip especially when the manufacturer has no intention of marketing its terminal performance. The reason you see open tip ammo is it can be easier to make and more accurate.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Cereal?
I paid sub $300 for both of my P32.
They were bought a few years apart.
Both are Gen2, interesting if a gen3 becomes a reality.

Not sure what they'd changed maybe add in a manual safety option and a double stack or staggered single stack version for more capacity

 

[AGPinochet]

A post script to the addendum

I have found yet more news clips documenting the increasing proliferation of machinegun conversion devices.
On October 19th WBNS-10 out of Central Ohio put out a report saying that so far in 2023 Columbus police have recovered 53 Glock switches, compared to 17 in all of 2022.

On June 29th of this year WPRI-12 out of Rhode Island put out a report, while not stating any data regarding total seizures the report does detail starting at 1:15 of a man from Cranston who was busted with 18 Glock Switches and several AR conversion devices, several what I have dubbed "scam" sears (I say this because from my understanding their rigid metal construction does not allow them to actuate the disconnector thus making them essentially paperweights that carry a jail sentence) possibly one printed swift link and most interestingly of all, a Lightning Link.

Antimatter Industries, makers of the (In)Famous Scope Switch have teased their latest GAME CHANGING and REVOLUTIONARY Product developed in cooperation with Tactical Development, makers of the Proledge and other products

The Antimatter X Tactical Development Micro Wing has released, and it actually seems to somewhat do what it claims to do. MSRP is $120 which isn't absurd and it is fully compatible with Safariland duty holsters. There are models for both Surefire X-300B's (and only B's as the Wing mounting mechanism requires the crossbolt screw) and TLR-7 Sub's. One interesting design facet is that the Wing acts as a replacement mount, thus potentially skirting policies regarding gun modifications for those who carry them professionally.

https://tactical.dev/collections/the-wings

google doc regarding gun compatibality

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11Q1hbQCcVYibTlnoSrPI83UUajY_6qn89Ihc2ptyExU/edit#gid=2078602780

Guntuber Roger Barrera of QVO Tactical has put out a video featuring slowmo analysis of recoil (starting at 12:4 with and without the wing, a statement saying that with a compensated gun it is possible to over torque with the wing causing muzzle dip and a clarification that in order for a pistol equipped with a wing to holster in a Blackhawk T-Series you have to manually put the wing in a closed position as the holster does not have the geometry to cause the Wing to automatically fold up when reholstering.

CMMG has put out a video detailing new products for 2024
Nothing really notable, new trigger(contracted out to Rise Armament, new factory pin and weld options, new stocks, cerakoted pistol buffer tubes and an unstated additions to their DefCan suppressor line up (see next item for mount compatibility), New Muzzle brake that has the exterior dimensions of an A2 Birdcage to accept suppressors that use them as a mount

Some of you may have at one time either heard of or played a 2012 video game called Call of Duty: Black Ops II. Having been released at a time when several "future soldier" programs were still active and the future looked like everyone was going to be shooting polymer case telescoped rounds from the rifle underslung to their 20mm smart grenade launcher Black Ops II was the first iteration of the "Future COD" phenomenon and thus had some pretty unique and interesting armaments for players to endlessly slaughter each other with.
One of those guns was the "KAP-40", a non trademarked name for the TDI Kard, who is TDI and what is a Kard you ask? TDI standing for Transformational Defense Industries was a company that we now know today as Kriss USA, makers of the Super V recoil mitigation system utilizing Vector submachinegun. But back during those days of future soldiers TDI/Kriss had ambitions, they wanted to take their Super V system and put it in everything, shotguns, rifles both conventional and antimaterial and even handguns which is how the Kard comes into existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRISS_KARD

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/04/16/the-kriss-kard-new-pistol-from-tdi/

https://archive.ph/Zzex8

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/04/20/kriss-kard-update/

https://archive.ph/04DFh

Now why did I write this whole ass blurb? Because I have found the patent for the Kard mechanism and it contains a whole lot more drawings than just the one featured in the above linked TFB article.

https://www.patentsencyclopedia.com/app/20100031812

https://archive.ph/oZGKd

Lastly we have a new product from Cobalt Kinetics, collaborators with Goober Group and makers of abominations such as a an AR with two forward assists.
The Scrambler 5.56 suppressor. What is most notable is its physical characteristics, it is 4.75in long excluding the flash tines and, assuming this is not a fuck up, 6.2oz. while being "full auto rated" (there is no concrete definition as to what this means but I don't think they mean the SOCOM suppressor standard of 1440 rounds mixed semi and full auto fire) and having no barrel length restrictions with a 50,000 round service life (That's RC-2 territory and the RC-2 isn't made out of Titanium).
Now you may be thinking to yourself, what the fuck, that's impossible, I agree with that sentiment but hell crazier things have happened.

https://cobaltkinetics.com/product/cobalt-scrambler-suppressor/

https://archive.ph/2Jxu6

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

This is only the third time I've seen a shotgun in Ukraine. This one looks like a .410

Based lol

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@AGPinochet

On October 19th WBNS-10 out of Central Ohio put out a report saying that so far in 2023 Columbus police have recovered 53 Glock switches, compared to 17 in all of 2022.

It shouldn't be all that difficult to locate niggers using them, since they love showing off their switches on YT and Instagram. They're like boomers who suddenly figure out how to internet, only this time it's YouTube/guntube.

But speaking of.... I wonder how long before YT clamps down on anything full-auto, because niggers & their Glock switches.

 

[Blasterisk]

This is only the third time I've seen a shotgun in Ukraine. This one looks like a .410
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Based lol

Did they use a real G36 for that, or some sort of airsoft gun? It seems like the airsoft gun would be lighter and cheaper, if for some reason you had a drone jammer that absolutely had to be mounted to a G36 in such a manner that occludes the ejection port. (and mag well and stock latch and barrel)

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Would a 30-30 be considered useless against Grizzly Bears and Moose?

I'm in a bit of a debate with someone- the only rifle I own is a Arsenal SAM7R Milled AK in 7.62x39- I have something of a reverse-fudd acquaintance who tells me 7.62x39mm is outdated and utterly useless and that if I really wanted a home defense rifle (that's not an AR- I really don't like ARs) I'd get a AK74 in 5.45x39. Because the context for this conversation is that I live above the arctic circle, I'm trying to argue that if you really had nothing else 7.62x39mm would be better at defending against a charging bear or moose than a sub-22 meme caliber due to the better stopping power. He's trying to argue that the 5.45 is a "poison bullet" that would be better because it fragments and richochets and causes a nastier wound

30-30 is enough. 30-30 is a solid little flat-shooting round. I am also biased, because I have a pre-64 model 94 that I get star-spangled boners every time I shoot. The round is a little thumper.
Oh My God. "Poison Bullet." You can attempt to educate him or remove yourself from the conversation, you are also likely gonna hear that an LRN .22 short will cause an entry wound like a golfball because it moves so slow it expands totally before piercing skin.

Here's something for our wheelgun fam:
The "Wrapid" speedloader

I.....holy shit, I actually really like this. Prototype? Or tested, because this is a wickedly sick idea. I love how easy it just pulls off.
EDit: did research, does not seem like "early model", and looks pretty solid. Will probably pick a few up.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

I.....holy shit, I actually really like this. Prototype? Or tested, because this is a wickedly sick idea. I love how easy it just pulls off.
EDit: did research, does not seem like "early model", and looks pretty solid. Will probably pick a few up.

I've heard a couple people with them on different forums say they work as intended & are well worth the geld, but are usually out of stock. Then again I haven't really looked to see if anyone else is selling them, besides from the manufacturer website; I smashed the order button/availability notification pretty quick.

I hope it's just a temporary thing & doesn't end up on perpetual back-order, which ufortunately has happened a lot with gun gadgets; especially good ones that actually work but are made by a single guy in his garage.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Man $350 for a Model 36 is a STEAL.

I'M looking at Gunjoker Model 60s and Christ beat to shit used is within $100 of brand new.

Also.... Prepare yourself.... USED Keltec P32s are $400 now.

However allegedly Keltec is about to release a Gen 3 P32. I'm intrigued.

Also waiting on Ruger to get the Marlin 1894 .357 in the 18.5 inch barrel out the door next year.

Sorry, didn't notice this in my feed man. But yes, got it for 350 ( plus tax). How? Cosmetically it's a bit rough, notably the hammer spur got snapped, which tbf, makes it less likely to snag, just harder to pull back. Combine that with that itd been sitting in the case for a year, and they were happy to get rid of it. Again, J-frames are cheap. You just have to look for them.

Also happy about Marlin. Hopefully Lever guns as a whole go down now that Marlin is back in the market

 

[likeacrackado]

Would a 30-30 be considered useless against Grizzly Bears and Moose?

I'm in a bit of a debate with someone- the only rifle I own is a Arsenal SAM7R Milled AK in 7.62x39- I have something of a reverse-fudd acquaintance who tells me 7.62x39mm is outdated and utterly useless and that if I really wanted a home defense rifle (that's not an AR- I really don't like ARs) I'd get a AK74 in 5.45x39. Because the context for this conversation is that I live above the arctic circle, I'm trying to argue that if you really had nothing else 7.62x39mm would be better at defending against a charging bear or moose than a sub-22 meme caliber due to the better stopping power. He's trying to argue that the 5.45 is a "poison bullet" that would be better because it fragments and richochets and causes a nastier wound

This reminded me of a TFB article from awhile back.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/04/12/aks-among-u-s-police-departments/

TLDR: one of the northernmost police departments in the US use(d) various AK variants in 7.62x39, in part because of x39's performance against large animals.

 

[Mikoyan]

I wonder how long before YT clamps down on anything full-auto

What IS the actual state of this? I thought they banned it early this year and guntube was using creative editing to get around it. Or did they go back on that?

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

What IS the actual state of this? I thought they banned it early this year and guntube was using creative editing to get around it. Or did they go back on that?

Normal guntubers have to get creative, but it seems like all those ghetto posting Glock switch videos on YT are afforded demographic immunity; especially on FB. I've seen more than a few that blatantly violate FB's rules on firearm content yet they're never removed; I guess because they're totally not trading & selling switches through FB.

 

[DocAwe]

Blax privilege.

 

[The Cheese Aisle]

Can anyone recommend or point me in the direction for reputable resources to learn about different options for concealed carry holsters for women?