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A taste of the future, in 2001?
I vaguely recall someone stating that 2001 video was just some mockup or something, and not a serious proposal. The old centrifugal gun supposedly hit ok, but had very poor precision.

Has anyone here every handled one of these?
An early Double Eagle, briefly. The double-action trigger can have issues resetting, and the way that at least one of the springs is retained is that the little extension on the grip panel you see there holds it in place, it's particularly happy to jump out of its place when the grips are off, so you'd really want to hold it inside of a plastic bag when disassembling.
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Supposedly they fixed a few problems later on, but it was very much a too little, too late kind of thing. Not an appealing option over the Rugers and Smith & Wessons available at the time. I honestly kind of like the idea of a 1911 slide on a double-action frame, so one of those Seecamp conversions feels oddly compelling in that way.
 
Heavy from what I recall, but reliable as shit because roller lock.
the one i have is pretty typical of the rifle, and it's both ammunition specific and can quite dirty to use, but it does run quite well.
"Suppressor testing in Finland in the 1990's" (by whom?)
Ase Ultra
9X25 Dillon
imagine a more petite, yet angrier 10mm. it can have problems in some pistols due to very high pressures generated and is a bit "excessive" in terms of recoil and blast.
 
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That's nifty in a silly way, but that'd be a really limited novelty. It mirrors the AMT Automag III, which you could get in .30 Carbine, but .30 Carbine was cheap and abundant back then, while 7.92mm Kurz never was in the US.
Maybe if you're going full wildcat and you load it with a powder better suited for a relatively short barrel like this, it wouldn't JUST be noise and flash, but AR15 pistols already let you do noisy fireballs for cheap
On 30 carbine, Ruger still makes revolvers in 30 carbine
one i have is pretty typical of the rifle, and it's both ammunition specific and can quite dirty to use, but it does run quite well.
Interesting to know about the HK-33. At least when it works it works well
 
Have you all ever heard of the 9X25 Dillon?
I once briefly and accidentally "internet-met" a Neo-Nazi Satanist who was also a tripfag on /k/ under the name "Otoyamaguchi". He was a skinny weirdo, had a pedo mustache and wore skinny jeans and Hawaiian shirts. His CCW was a Glock 40 with an extended past the slide 9x25 conversion barrel, an RMR and WML. His carry ammo was a +p+ loading (probably Underwood if not handloaded) capped off with Lehigh Xtreme Penetrators. He somehow managed to somewhat decently conceal it.
I think it is a neat round, bottleneck pistol cartridges are always interesting.

Some of you may be aware of the VBR Company of Belgium, they did a lot of work back in the day regarding armor piercing projectiles specifically those for pistol cartridges, their research lead them to develop their own proprietary cartridge, the 7.92x24mm VBR, which is a PDW Style cartidge that takes a diversion of the design philosophy of the 5.7 and 4.6 being closer to 9mm than anything else. The cartridge was based on a cut down and otherwise modified .30 Carbine case and had two "variants" the "S" for 9mm platforms and the "N" for .45 platforms, the diameters of the bullets did not change, just the lengths of the actual projectiles with "N" types being longer. I was well aware of their "VBR PDW" which while never being adopted has appeared in a few video games, I was unaware that they had ever rechambered a Glock in their cartridge.
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The ballistics of the VBR Cartirdge are similar to that of Federal's .30 Super Carry and also had a similar increase in magazine capacity

The Partisan-9V2 has entered beta testing
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The "OkBoomer" Printed 1911 frame may or may not be slated for release later this month or in early December
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Many of you may be aware of The Whitney Wolverine, a sleek, space age .22 pistol whose story is one of poor marketing and even poorer sales. What you may not be aware of is the man behind it, Robert Hillberg, and his other work. Hillberg designed a ".357 Magnum submachinegun" (of which I can find no details about online, but I did find something else), a Prototype blowforward .30 Carbine rifle "The Hillberg Carbine" (details are also extremely scarce), the M37 Tank machinegun, The Wildey Magnum Series, the COP-357 Derringer, Colt Defender Pepperbox shotgun, Winchester Liberator and what I want to write about below, the Hillberg Trimatic.
The Trimatic was a gun in the styling of the Wolverine but multicaliber, available in .22, .32 ACP and .380 with a tip up barrel. Featured below is a 9mm model of the gun designed for military trials
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Additional information and imagery can be found starting on page 26/27 of this pdf
If the link fucks up it can be found on this page

As I mentioned above I did find something in relation to a .357 Magnum submachinegun, but not from Hillberg. But rather Venezuela
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Before there was the Desert Eagle, before there was the LAR Grizzly, but some time after there was the AMT Automag, there was the Jon Powers Magmatic.
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Imgur links to a 3 page magazine article regarding the gun
A forum post by User John Ross (who may or may not be the same John Ross that wrote the hit piece of "militia fiction", Unintended Consequences) claims that Powers sold the patent to IMI which used elements of it's design to refine Magnum Research's Desert Eagle.

There was once in the 80's a series of magazines that could be used in both AR-15/18 rifles AND Ruger Mini-14's
Performance was spotty, they were no PMAG's.
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9A-91 "Trench Rifle"
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From the Makers of the Solothurn Anti-Tank Rifle, I present the Tuma MTE 224 VE machinepistol in .224 VOB, a cartidge inspired by the earlier .224 Boz
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His CCW was a Glock 40 with an extended past the slide 9x25 conversion barrel, an RMR and WML.
Goddamn, was this man carrying a near 4 lb setup for his EDC? In what kind of holster did he carry this?
 
Goddamn, was this man carrying a near 4 lb setup for his EDC? In what kind of holster did he carry this?
If not his main EDC, at the least one of the guns in his rotation. As to what holster I couldn't tell you, I would assume Kydex of some variety.
Guntuber Reno May posted a picture of an interesting Fitelite SCR configuration, utilizing an FM-15 bufferless side charging upper from Foxtrot Mike
I was wrong, this is not a Fitelite SCR, but a gun of very similar design philosophy that comes in at a cheaper price, that was released to seemingly no fanfare at the beginning of the month or so.
The Foxtrot Mike Ranch Rifle

A redditor has reviewed the newly released Lead And Steel Pandora PB-3 Acro pattern MRDS. He found it quite satisfactory.
He also provided a window size comparison between an RMR, Acro, PB-3 and MPS
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KAK Industries, who recently put out a new varmint cartridge and a controversial downward venting BCG, has released 5 new Carpenter 158 bolts, 4 with dual ejectors, 1 being for left handed shooters.
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B&T USW/Flux Raider, long before there were B&T USW's or Flux Raiders
The mechanism works by screwing on a long, semi captive nut when the stock is in the uncollapsed position.
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Prototype Bullpup VZ.58, Designation EZ-B
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Prototype Swiss Luger stock
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VBR Company of Belgium
In addition to armor piercing handgun projectiles, they also tried to make the G-11 concept work.
The VBR CAR (Caseless Assault Rifle)
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Baby Luger.
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Russia's Keltec-tier forward-ejecting bullpup, the A-91:
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The A-91 was designed by KBP designer Vasily Gryazev as a weapon which combines the aspects of an assault rifle and a grenade launcher while retaining maximum reliability. An initial prototype was created in 1990, with a large grenade launcher mounted on the top of the rifle. This proved to be rather unwieldy and as such the design was modified and the grenade launcher moved downwards. The weapon is said to have since entered service with the MVD, but any other details are scant. The weapon is also marketed for export, but details on any export purchases are unknown.

Design Details
The A-91 is a bullpup assault rifle with a mounted grenade launcher. The weapon ejects forward of the user, similar to the FN F2000. The weapon features a carrying handle; the charging handle is mounted underneath the carrying handle. The body is made of polymer. Early prototypes mounted the grenade launcher, dubbed the GP-95, above the barrel; this was scrapped due to poor sightline issues. The grenade launcher was moved to the bottom with the A-91M and can be removed. The grenade launcher sight is mounted off to the left of the gun. Numerous changes have been made to the design over the course of development.
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The A-91 assault rifle is without a doubt a miracle of weapons design. Born in difficult conditions, the machine gun literally immediately after its appearance began to receive flattering reviews. The good reputation of the weapon was, perhaps, predetermined, because the development and design was carried out by the Tula Instrument Design Bureau, which has been designing serious weapons that are known all over the world for several decades. However, the fate of the A-91 assault rifle, despite the good genetics and bright minds of Tula gunsmiths, was not easy.

Tula craftsmen began developing the A-91 already when the newfangled direction of weapons built in the bullpup layout (when the trigger mechanism is located behind the weapon body) was being mastered with all its might. If we do not take into account prototypes, such as the Stechkin assault rifle, which was never accepted into service, there was only one successful model in the country - the OTs-14 “Groza”, which was developed by the same Tula craftsmen.

The trial operation of the "Groza", despite some difficulties with the sighting devices and the general "unusuality" of the design, went quite well - the military were satisfied, and the special forces, to whom the "Groza" was awarded almost classified as "secret", managed to use the unusual machine gun emerge victorious from the most difficult situations. Although the first pancake, according to Russian tradition, did not come out lumpy, the Tula masters did not stop there. The various situations in which shooters with the OTs-14 complex found themselves formed the basis for the creation of another, more modern rifle-grenade launcher complex that was maximally adapted to modern needs.

Trials and first experiments

Shortly before the creation of the promising rifle complex, the technical specifications were formulated simply: a grenade launcher and an assault rifle in a single body with maximum reliability. Well, it’s easier to write and approve than to put it into metal. Where to begin? If, when creating the OTs-14, the designers relied on donor components and parts of the AKS-74U, then in the case of the A-91 complex the picture was different: the developers and designers of the complex decided to abandon “borrowing” already familiar components and focus on creating new ones, no less reliable.

Weapons experts, engineers, test shooters - everyone made their own changes, suggestions, and comments during the work on the machine gun. The appearance of the weapon alone, with its characteristic “hump” in the form of a carrying handle, changed a good dozen times during its creation. By the way, special attention was paid to design. One of those who happened to take part in the creation of the project was Mikhail Sergeenko, an engineer for the operation of small arms, a lieutenant colonel of the Russian Armed Forces in the reserve, who in an interview with Zvezda simply spoke about the design solutions: “Darkness. In terms of ergonomics and design, there were just a ton of elements and details.”

And, indeed, regarding the appearance of the assault rifle, which gunsmith experts and ordinary military personnel are still arguing about, there were at least 10 solutions and options for change: from the classic, in the style of Kalashnikov assault rifles, to the final, original design, which was chosen in as the main one. Particular attention, in addition to appearance, was certainly paid to fire and operational properties. In the spirit of the “Groza” OTs-14, it was planned to equip the machine gun, in addition to classic small arms ammunition, with a grenade launcher.

However, during R&D on the A-91 project, in one of the variants the grenade launcher was mounted on top - above the main barrel of the machine gun. Test firing has shown that this design greatly complicates holding the weapon and makes it extremely unpleasant to shoot from a grenade launcher in combat conditions. After weighing all the pros and cons, the general decision was to “remove” the grenade launcher under the main barrel of the weapon, forming an additional grip forearm, which became the grenade launcher casing.

Belgian style or convenient for everyone
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There are legends as to why weapons in the bullpup configuration were not in demand or even in interest for a long time. Some argue that the right-handed lobby in weapons companies was so strong that the best weapons were not specifically adapted for people who use their left hand for any action. However, no matter how funny the conspiracy theories may sound, the truth, as often happens, is on the surface. Weapons in the bullpup configuration were inconvenient for left-handers for only one reason: the ejection of spent cartridges during shooting was carried out directly into the shooter’s left cheek.

Army snipers, including Russian ones, often joke about this topic, saying that it is easy to identify a left-handed shooter. No, no, but he gets burned by spent cartridges. Viktor Demchenko, a veteran of one of the army special forces of the Russian Armed Forces, in an interview with Zvezda, says that the creators of bullpup weapons simply ignored this problem for a long time:

“I had the opportunity to shoot with a huge number of weapons: from ours, Soviet and Russian, to foreign ones. The problem of ejection of spent cartridges is the same everywhere. No matter how they tried to solve it: they came up with all sorts of “curtains” so that the cartridge case would be thrown down... but for some reason no one created something fundamentally convenient, new,” said the special forces veteran.

The closest, according to many experts, to solving the problem of bullpup machine guns was the domestic designer Igor Yakovlechiv Stechkin, who created his TKB-0146, which ejected cartridges in the area of the fire control handle, but the problem of the so-called “unacceptable extraction of cartridges” was fully resolved specifically in the A-91 machine gun. The Tula residents decided the essence of the mechanism for removing spent cartridges in their characteristic original manner - the supply of the spent cartridge and its subsequent removal was carried out through a special channel located along the body of the weapon slightly in front and to the right of the handle.

This method solved several problems of bullpup automatics at once: it removed the spent cartridge case without any unpleasant sensations for the shooter and reduced the level of powder fumes during shooting.

A weapons expert, a veteran of two Chechen campaigns, a member of the union of special forces veterans, Oleg Kurochkin, in an interview with Zvezda, explaining in detail the advantage of such a scheme, noted with a smile that anyway, despite the success, such a mechanism was not used en masse:

“The Belgian FN-F2000 rifle, presented at the beginning of 2001, had a partly similar design. There, however, the designers took a different route - they placed the channel for the cartridge case extractor almost near the muzzle from above. But there, spent cartridges are removed not one at a time, but in series - that is, 4-5 cartridges accumulate in the channel and they “spill out” of the channel when firing. It looks quite interesting, but is not practical - if there is a wedge or some other mechanical plug, the weapon will have to be disassembled. Which, in combat conditions, I think, will not be very pleasant,” the expert said.

Despite the fact that the A-91 assault rifle is, by and large, an experimental project, the Tula people created a lot of technological groundwork during its design and creation - from the materials of the body and handle, the modification of sighting devices, the general design of the weapon, ending with... the choice of ammunition. The creator of the weapon is the brilliant gunsmith Vasily Petrovich Gryazev, who, together with Arkady Georgievich Shipunov, created a good dozen excellent products, while developing the A-91 assault rifle, he took into account not only the interests of the state, but also, in the spirit of the “dashing” nineties and zeros, laid down an excellent possibility for export.

Gryazev managed to “kill two birds with one stone” by adapting the machine gun to two types of main ammunition: 7.62x39mm in Russia and 5.56x45mm of NATO standards. The reason for this decision was simple: the project had to survive. The survivability of the machine would be ensured in any case, no matter who chose it - government agencies or foreign customers. In general, the beginning of the 2000s, according to the recollections of most weapons experts, was difficult for the entire military-technical industry.

Mikhail Adamyan, an employee of UralVagonZavod, recalls in an interview with Zvezda: “You know, it was a very difficult time. When one generation was leaving, and another was just coming to power. The situation with the T-90 tank, the fate of which was decided by the Indian order, clearly showed: if you want to live, know how to move around. In the case of the A-91 assault rifle, I think Vasily Petrovich took care of the same thing, and I think he did absolutely the right thing,” says the tank builder specialist.

There may be a lot of opinions on this matter, but the machine gun project is alive and work on its modernization is underway. This means that one of the options is guaranteed to work exactly as the creator intended.

Test firing of the new machine gun, which was presented to a wide range of specialists only after major modifications, showed that the firing efficiency of the Tula A-91 is beyond praise. Ammunition of 7.62x39mm caliber, which was used in Kalashnikov assault rifles, effectively solved the problem of the presence of the enemy at distances of up to 400-500 meters, and the use of a grenade launcher completely turned small arms into an assault device - shots of 40-mm grenades reached their target at distances of up to 400 meters and “fitted” almost into one point.

In addition, in addition to conventional grenades, grenades with the so-called “air detonation” principle could be used in the complex - the essence of this technology is that the grenade, after hitting an obstacle, bounces and only then explodes, providing maximum lethality. Ammunition of NATO standards also showed excellent shooting: foreign representatives noted that the accuracy of the machine gun when using 5.56mm ammunition was at the level of “NATO weapons,” and the design of the Russian machine gun did not require special changes.

Uniqueness is a word that can be used to describe many models of domestically produced small arms. Tula A-91 is no exception. Innovations, the general convenience of the design and the absence of “childhood diseases” of the bullpup layout - all this made the A-91 rifle-grenade launcher complex an “enviable groom” for the leading law enforcement agencies not only in Russia, but throughout the world. On the basis of the A-91 assault rifle, after some time, another assault rifle was created - the ADS, which combines the ability to “work” both in normal conditions and under water, using special ammunition for this. With the creation of the A-91, the Tula Instrument Design Bureau was once again able to prove that the impossible is possible. The main thing is to put in enough effort.
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I used to think I'd dislike the Garand as much as I disliked the M14/M1A and the Mini 14. I got to run a decent specimen from the CMP that a buddy owned and had done some trigger work on. I'm still not a fan of where the op rod is in relation to my support hand but I finally understood why so many swear by that rifle. Like you said, there wasn't anything better available at the time.
The travesty of the M14 procurement is a fascinating topic.

The US could have easily had a magazine fed M1 Garand out in time for Korea or a .308 Magazine fed Garand out by 1954 or so.

After that the AR-10 comes along and makes the M1 and M14 obsolete, as did the FAL.
 
Got my first handgun today. A Taurus (poverty Glock) G3C. It was under $200 new. Also bought 100 rounds. Can't wait to hit the range this week.
 
Got my first handgun today. A Taurus (poverty Glock) G3C. It was under $200 new. Also bought 100 rounds. Can't wait to hit the range this week.
As long as it operates reliably and you train consistently with it, it'll win a fight as well as anything else.
 
The travesty of the M14 procurement is a fascinating topic.

The US could have easily had a magazine fed M1 Garand out in time for Korea or a .308 Magazine fed Garand out by 1954 or so.
Indeed.


The question about a magazine-fed Garand is solved by thinking about the BM-59, the Italians being essentially poor started in the mid-50ies to develop the Garand in something more "modern". They're not so uncommon in Europe, and they're fairly fun to shoot (they feel and perform better than M14s for sure) but they're heavy as fuck and they were already somewhat obsolete even when introduced. Fun fact, you can still find WW2 and Korea-era components inside Italian-made BM-59, particularly trigger groups. Nothing wasted, I guess.

In my personal experience as a recreational shooter the Garand is by far the best WW2 semiauto if we're talking about "common" semiauto rifles: SVT-40s are functional but have a laundry list of problems (magazine, feeding, gas system, bedding, overall precision). They're fun to own and shoot but I won't call them good rifles, and for sure not good Soviet rifles. The G43s I've shot were in bad condition and the owners told me the rifle essentially beats itself to death and quality control problems were abundant thanks to peculiarities in German industrial production. Never shot a G41, but chrissakes they go for 12k so I understand why. Garands are simply superior: well-built, reliable, simple. I don't even like the fucking things too much but they simply work.
 
A redditor has reviewed the newly released Lead And Steel Pandora PB-3 Acro pattern MRDS. He found it quite satisfactory.
https://old.reddit.com/r/tacticalgear/comments/17vg6h3/trying_out_the_acro_killer_the_pandora_pb3/
https://archive.ph/Asmtb
He also provided a window size comparison between an RMR, Acro, PB-3 and MPS
I dont trust any of these "no money changed hands" faggots opinions on L&S. They just let him take it home and use it early while regular scrubs sit on a preorder list. Sounds like the 'research relationship' their owner tried with FocusTripp. That and their claim of not spending any money on marketing, while they basically run the reddit gun community(their response video to FT was pinned for a month on r/ar15). Granted, I don't take any influencer's product opinions as gospel, but that company screams fishy with the cult they've amassed in some parts of the internet gun community.
 
The G43s I've shot were in bad condition and the owners told me the rifle essentially beats itself to death and quality control problems were abundant thanks to peculiarities in German industrial production
The G43s are wonky, but I've heard a major source of problems is that they're often gassed too hard, and that you can actually fix this.
 
In my personal experience as a recreational shooter the Garand is by far the best WW2 semiauto if we're talking about "common" semiauto rifles...
M1941 Johnson would like a word; although it never gets seems to get one, because muh "greatest battle implement".
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But on a serious note, I love the way they carry and shoot; I got far less fatigued putting multiple shots on targets than with an M1. But as a whole the Johnson is second to the Garand because of the magazine. 10 rounds is nice, but being able to pop a full load of 8 in as much time as it takes to load the first 5 rounds into the M1941 tips the scales.

Plus the M1 also being a better/sturdier pike/bludgeon helps; if given an M1941 as a soldier back then, I'd still be as worried about damaging it in the field as I would now.
SVT-40s are functional but have a laundry list of problems (magazine, feeding, gas system, bedding, overall precision). They're fun to own and shoot but I won't call them good rifles, and for sure not good Soviet rifles.
20 years ago, most SVTs I encountered or saw for sale first-hand were fine Soviet rifles for what they were; but attrition & time has eaten away at the supply of remaining decent examples. It doesn't help that in the past 5-10 years their popularity has gone way up, and now most that come onto the market have changed hands a bunch of times; rather than being crate fresh back in the day or only having one owner.

But now unless you've got the big guntube money, most SVTs that show up on the tables or GB are barely held together, beat up, and shot out (despite previous owners saying they never shot corrosive ammo).
The G43s I've shot were in bad condition and the owners told me the rifle essentially beats itself to death and quality control problems were abundant thanks to peculiarities in German industrial production. Never shot a G41, but chrissakes they go for 12k so I understand why. Garands are simply superior: well-built, reliable, simple. I don't even like the fucking things too much but they simply work.
Besides all that, G43s have especially suffered from the same problems that are facing the SVT now, for a lot longer; along with generally being fairly ratty to begin with. But given a perfectly functional G43, I'd say it handles & shoots marginally better than an SVT; because long rifle is long.
 
I've seen only once a M1941 Johnson here outside of a museum, so I don't have first hand experience. But I agree that a grunt rifle needs to be as sturdy as possible. I stand by my opinion that the SVTs are essentially a failed project (that the Soviets kept building because they had nothing better at the time, hell, they even tried their hand with the Automatic version, the AVT, that shot itself to death in like 200 rounds). The sniper version was discontinued fairly quickly and the result of wartime experience was shelving it as fast as they could and get the SKS up to speed. My SKS is barely ten years older than my SVT and works like clockwork.

They're beautiful rifles and incredibly aesthetic, but they're bad soviet guns in the sense they require somewhat careful maintenance ( and we're working with Soviet conscripts here) and they're so fucking finicky. Magazines aren't interchangeable between factories and then you need to be lucky to find the ones that "work fine" or fix them to avoid endless feeding issues. Switching ammo can cause feeding issues too. The original stock was weak (problem partially solved when they switched to the theoretically stronger AVT40 stock for all rifles). The bedding is bad (check some videos, the rifle "wobbles" around a lot when shot). I've own several and the one I got now is a very well-kept bulgarian refurb with matching serials, and it's still somewhat unreliable. Chumak himself, the best authority on Tokarev rifles, admits that such a beautiful rifles was in the end a failure and in his comparisons with the Garands admits the M1 is superior. When a Russian in a russian-language work candidly admits so.....

"Minor" rifles such as the swedish m/42 are also excellent, but they don't have the "fought in WW2" aura.
 
But as a whole the Johnson is second to the Garand because of the magazine. 10 rounds is nice, but being able to pop a full load of 8 in as much time as it takes to load the first 5 rounds into the M1941 tips the scales.
Agree, the reload with the M1 is fast as greased lightning. The fact that it can take a real bayonet and actually use it isn't just another reason why it's better, but the fact that the M1 can also take a grenade launcher, which the Johnson couldn't.
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Look at this beautiful fucker, a fast fighting rifle that was ready for anything (after they ditched the first gas system, lol)
 
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