Mega Rad Gun Thread

[BallsMcLongDong]

What model is that? It's pretty cool, and I hope it serves you well for a long time.

The pic isn't mine, but it's the exact same model. It's an S&W Pre-Model 10, 5-Screw. And it already has. I love this thing. It's a frankenstein's monster of parts, since it rotted under floorboards in the damp so long, but it has not once gave me a click when I wanted bang. I'd advise picking one up if you run across them, they are just high spec little tanks.

Edited to add: fellow KF gun nerds, do you think now and within the next two months is the best time to stock up on ammo and magazines? I'm not trying to fear monger anyone but I think given this is a presidential election year in current America there's a better-than-average change of nonsense occurring as time progresses. This is what I'm going to do. Not just ammo and mags, but batteries, water filters, jars, storage stuff, etc. It's not civil war or martial law, more like retards panic buying because we're all dumb enough to listen to the media's bullshit (this includes me).

Now is always the best time. Same as ever. If you overpaid for it and are right, you'll whine to the mountain of ammo you've got. If you waited and didn't, you'll regret seeing the bottom of your ammo can. Stocking up next month.
Also, does anyone know anything about the Bul Cherokee? Particularly Gen 2. I have a line on one. Never personally owned a poly handgun. But I am interested because price is right, less than $300. I want it to replace the Jericho as my daily carry to have a "disposable gun", because if I have to use it, I do not want it to get "lost" in an officer's safe. And the Bul is basically the Jericho but with a plastic frame. Same controls, even parts interchangeability. Plus, I can use all my same holsters, mags, parts, etc....I've already got for Jericho.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Also, does anyone know anything about the Bul Cherokee? Particularly Gen 2.

If it's anything like it's steel frame brother the baby eagle III it'll be built like a tank with a fucking weird squishy double action trigger but for the price of a Taurus you can't go wrong Bul in general makes some really nice stuff especially their 1911's. Little fun factoid but CZ75 and Beretta 92 mags are dimensionally the same just with different cut outs for the mag release so you could stick a beretta mag in a CZ and hold it at the bottom and it'll cycle.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

machine it off, if there's not enough meat on the barrel for a larger stage, a light pass to cut in a slot from the TDP from the front, use copper braze to secure a new stage, manufactured from some 4150, mill a perpendicular dove tail 0.0620" deep, wide enough for whatever new front sight wants to be installed and hand file to fit, secured with rock-sett and cross pin. dress refinish as needed. rear sights are usually 0.050", aligning things uses a fixture. another option is cutting a wider slot, then drilling for a ramped stage and secure with one or two cross pins, then you can use whatever sight blade you want and secure that to the stage. Weigand has some pretty good options for their design of stage and blade.

if you want to directly replace the front sight blade but install a new one of the same design it's a similar thing: machine off the existing brazed front sight, cut a slim biscuit slot 0.062" with a small wheel length wise with the barrel at TDP about 1/8" from the muzzle (depends on the barrel profile and year of manufacture, if in doubt just measure it), fit and braze a new sight in place (from a 0.125" blank you'll have some effort in milling down the tab and correcting any offset so be sure you're TDP on the slot) and dress and refinish.

never build up or try welding on a barrel, you're asking for problems. silver solder or copper braze for the stage, a cross pin and dovetail for the low mass of the sight itself.


it is typically brazed in place with a jig, which S&W made available to certified service centers. it's not complex and can be a shop made tool as well.

I appreciate the answers. Looks like I'll be picking up some brazing wire and a torch.

 

[Club Sandwich]

as my daily carry to have a "disposable gun"

seems like a polymer CZ 75 in the same way the Jericho is a steel CZ 75: a lot of parts in common, some parts are different. probably a mediocre trigger but good reliability. i'd be willing to bet it's a decent shooter. for "off brand" guns, i generally advise people to get two additional magazines: one in the gun, one spare, and one you lose somewhere because you're terrible at organization. you don't want to be in a position where your carry gun's mags aren't made any more and you have to buy questionable triple K or promags...

that being said BUL is a very good 1911 shop, especially for the money asked. someone i trust once told me they're like Tanfoglio in catalog and fit/finish but Israeli. probably it uses normal CZ 75 mags, but check before committing.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

seems like a polymer CZ 75 in the same way the Jericho is a steel CZ 75: a lot of parts in common, some parts are different. probably a mediocre trigger but good reliability. i'd be willing to bet it's a decent shooter. for "off brand" guns, i generally advise people to get two additional magazines: one in the gun, one spare, and one you lose somewhere because you're terrible at organization. you don't want to be in a position where your carry gun's mags aren't made any more and you have to buy questionable triple K or promags...

that being said BUL is a very good 1911 shop, especially for the money asked. someone i trust once told me they're like Tanfoglio in catalog and fit/finish but Israeli. probably it uses normal CZ 75 mags, but check before committing.

Alright, proverbial trigger is pulled. Will let you all know what I think. Partially looking forward to it, since every time I carry my WW1 or my rare 90's IMI Jericho, the thought of them being "lost." has always been in the back of my head. Not to mention, after getting used to carrying the full size, full steel 25 pounder, might be nice to have a lighter gun (that I can put a flashlight on, whoda thunk it.) that I don't have to buy new mags or holsters for. Will also be replacing the wife's carry Beretta 84F that she has fallen in love with with another disposable gun that she won't cry after possible losing. Did some research, and though my state is like the 3rd freest for gun rights and usage, our mayor and city (we're closest to a city that is on the top 25 list for crime) are turbo cucked. Read a bunch of horror stories like a recent one of a woman using her gun in clear self defense, trial was over in a few months because it was cut and dry. But when she wanted to get her gun back after the trial, they blackwalled her for months till she spent a shitton of money to 'compel' them legally because it was a sentimental family piece, and she got it back with scratches, rust, pieces missing, and EVIDENCE written all over it in white paint.
Also, realized I never updated on my purchase of the UTAS UT9M. So here's a quick write up if any of you want to pull the trigger on a sub-$400 AR9 platform PCC.
Already at about 1000-1500 rounds. The firing pin broke during a dry fire test (about 200 rounds in), but I contacted their USA support (UTAS turkey and UTAS USA are basically 2 different companies, the rep told me to not even bother trying to get a hold of the international division, they effectively started a company in the States and told em to fuck off, they were on their own) and I told them I smithed and they could just send me a replacement, I'd put it in. They reported that the early versions had a shitty composition for firing pins, and they now carry the upgraded version made in house here. I was very impressed by how open they were with things, I feel bad for them. Seems like UTAS turkey or whatever made a bunch of grand ideas and employed a bunch of people over here, but then basically left them high and dry and the US branch is trying to take care of everyone.
Anyway, new firing pin went in easy. I added a flashlight and laser to the under-rail (I know, but one of the reasons I wanted a PCC was to both have an effective PDW, and be able to build something that looks like an Umbrella Special forces HUNK coolguy gun) and an EOTECH XPS3 red dot. Also a new compensator, believe it was a Tacfire linear I had lying around. Daniel Defense tall Irons (had offsets, but gave them to fiance since she wanted magnification on her 300blk rifle and they got in the way, so put em on since again, lying around). and a folding brace.
Long pros: Very affordable, endlessly customizable. The gun I have now is almost unrecognizable as the one I got in the package, good US customer service, quality parts (now) and easy to drop in a lot of AR stuff like triggers, since it's sort of hybrid between Stribog and an AR. Easy to complete strip, had it down to the screws first day to deburr and oil, easy to put back together.
Short cons: Bad firing pin composition, recoil can be a bit much before you add more weight to the gun because direct blowback but not bad once the gun is "worked on". Biggest issues are the mags and ammo. throw away the mag it came with, don't even keep it for last resort backup. is dog shit. I bought a lot of the 33round OEM glock mags, and it runs like a dream. Don't know if it need a bit more breaking in, tolerances and gun were very tight out of box, but it eats Federal 9mm FMJ just fine, high quality hollows just fine. But it does NOT like cheapo 9mm. Erratic issues with it not cycling back far enough to eject and pull new round. No failures at any point when using the nice stuff, and the thing is a little laserbeam. Even the fiance and in laws really love shooting it now.
If you get one, replace the pin, buy OEM glock mags, and shoot nice ammo, and it hasn't had a single issue doing all that.

 

[Dean Pentel]

I can understand where some of you are coming from regarding carrying a weapon that you wouldn't feel so much negativity losing to police custody should you need it to stop a threat. I wanted to chime in with my opinion on the matter. I think anyone interested in operating armed in their daily lives should do so with a pistol that runs reliably with their selected magazines and ammo combination, that they're willing to train and practice with consistently, and that can be reasonably well integrated into their wardrobe selection.

If such a pistol is more expensive, so be it. If it's a less expensive model but one feels it trustworthy, that works too. Whatever choice you make, simply be sure the weapon will do its job or be able to escape fast as fuck. They both work well for dealing with threats.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

I can understand where some of you are coming from regarding carrying a weapon that you wouldn't feel so much negativity losing to police custody should you need it to stop a threat. I wanted to chime in with my opinion on the matter. I think anyone interested in operating armed in their daily lives should do so with a pistol that runs reliably with their selected magazines and ammo combination, that they're willing to train and practice with consistently, and that can be reasonably well integrated into their wardrobe selection.

If such a pistol is more expensive, so be it. If it's a less expensive model but one feels it trustworthy, that works too. Whatever choice you make, simply be sure the weapon will do its job or be able to escape fast as fuck. They both work well for dealing with threats.

There's a ton of plastic guns that do that and aren't expensive - Glock, Sig, Springfield all have decent offerings that are functionally interchangeable, pretty much dead nuts reliable and won't break the bank. If you can carry a bit larger, the CZ P-07 or P-10C are crazy cheap and run like tops or just do like everybody else and get a G19.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

I can understand where some of you are coming from regarding carrying a weapon that you wouldn't feel so much negativity losing to police custody should you need it to stop a threat. I wanted to chime in with my opinion on the matter. I think anyone interested in operating armed in their daily lives should do so with a pistol that runs reliably with their selected magazines and ammo combination, that they're willing to train and practice with consistently, and that can be reasonably well integrated into their wardrobe selection.

If such a pistol is more expensive, so be it. If it's a less expensive model but one feels it trustworthy, that works too. Whatever choice you make, simply be sure the weapon will do its job or be able to escape fast as fuck. They both work well for dealing with threats.

I agree. Part of the reason for going with the BUL is that it is almost 1:1 with the Jericho, so I do not need to retrain anything but figuring out where it patterns. I've got the Jericho down like second nature, it was my first big boy gun purchase and have been carrying and shooting it for a decade, is mega sentimental. The BUL is cheap, but uses all the same style and most of the parts, so not a whole lot to relearn. Thought about getting a polymer Jericho, but IWI has started taking big shortcuts with their Production (no more hexagon-bore hammer forged chromium barrels, alloys where steel used to be, two part slide which I've seen at least two reports of breaking during normal operation and rendering the gun a paperweight till IWI sends them the replacement piece). So the BUL will be a natural integration with the skills and equipment I have, basically "the Jericho we have at home." And from what I see, is excellent quality and reliable.
As for fiance, not certain. Want to do the same for her, get her something reliable that she is not sentimental about and can basically 1:1. So thought about maybe a Taurus PT58, since it's a clone of the gun she's been training with and carrying.

There's a ton of plastic guns that do that and aren't expensive - Glock, Sig, Springfield all have decent offerings that are functionally interchangeable, pretty much dead nuts reliable and won't break the bank. If you can carry a bit larger, the CZ P-07 or P-10C are crazy cheap and run like tops or just do like everybody else and get a G19.

Yup, she's considering a Glock for the first time ever.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

The BM-59 is a very good rifle for what it is: in my limited personal experience it's a smoother shooter than the M14s we get here. It's not only that many other parts interchange, most parts are Garand parts (particularly trigger groups, I've checked a couple of BM59s and their internals are often a mismatch of Korean-era American parts and Italian production). Between the weight, the bipod and the "tricompensatore", it's an incredibly pleasant battle rifle to shoot, far more than FALs or WW2-era semiautos.



The story is far less poetic, the Italian Army survived on hand-me-downs from Britain and the States and there was little interest in investing on small arms when they could simply adapt better foreign designs or get free gibs. Even the BM-59 wasn't given to all combat units until the 80ies, and let's not talk about second-tier units that had to deal with M1A1 and Enfields almost until the end of the Cold War. The Italian ground army was never a darling of anyone, the BM is the result of both being relatively poor and a great idea.

The AR70, that one is a thing of wonder, adopted late and slightly worse than the vast majority of 5,56. I would pay to know how many bribes Beretta paid for its adoption.

Also that PM1 is a Beretta M12, ain't it a blowback design? Or maybe someone truly believes that all SMGs work on MP5 mechanics?

One of my great regrets is having some financial issues that took priority over buying a BM59 back when they were cheaper. I think the Italians still use them in a few places, one of Beretta's great ideas, which like most Italian engineering is either fantastic or fucking awful.

 

[Club Sandwich]

If such a pistol is more expensive, so be it. If it's a less expensive model but one feels it trustworthy, that works too.

key there is works reliably with the ammunition you prefer and you're confident and competent in doing your part. due to various factors i've retired my P7 carry for my old standby Firestar .45. the sights are more forgiving for older eyes and is a reliable shooter that i can drill holes with.

a lot of people make the mistake they gotta get a specific carry gun or something when it's usually a more personal choice where you need hands on it and experience with it to really be good with your carry. assuming the gun is decent, a lot of issues are shooter-centric (choice of ammunition, awkward holster, not spending the cash on high visibility sights or a grip that fits your hand better, trying to play off controls you aren't comfortable with as a quirk instead of something that might slow you down, et c).

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I never really got the "carry a cheap pistol so you don't cry when the police take it" line of thought. It's for saving your life, who cares how much it costs. how much is your life worth?

 

[DocAwe]

I never really got the "carry a cheap pistol so you don't cry when the police take it" line of thought. It's for saving your life, who cares how much it costs. how much is your life worth?

$3.50

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

It came from the 90's: Bandayevsky RB-12, a Russian 12ga. pump gun; only 50 made.

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Next up, a pajeet knock-off Norinco (or maybe Zastava): the Signet "Combat Stainless 90" in the totally combat-effective .32 Auto.

Ngl, I still kinda want one just because; I just wonder if it's simple blowback instead of locked, because .32 Auto.

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More shotgun action in Ukraine:

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

That signet is a franken gun if I ever saw one, someone was like hey lets take a colt pocket hammerless AND ADD A HAMMER.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

I never really got the "carry a cheap pistol so you don't cry when the police take it" line of thought. It's for saving your life, who cares how much it costs. how much is your life worth?

I think it's more of a warning, since a lot of people don't think about it. It should be more of a "don't use it if you're not willing to lose it." A Beretta 1301 Tactical is going to hurt a lot more than losing a Maverick 88, for example. But I'd rate your EDC gun differently then a home defense gun. Just be aware if you've got a hot shit gucci gun that you may never get it back if you have to use it.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I think it's more of a warning, since a lot of people don't think about it. It should be more of a "don't use it if you're not willing to lose it." A Beretta 1301 Tactical is going to hurt a lot more than losing a Maverick 88, for example. But I'd rate your EDC gun differently then a home defense gun. Just be aware if you've got a hot shit gucci gun that you may never get it back if you have to use it.

its also 100% dependent on where you live. you aren't getting it back in LA county whereas in places like Clinton county KY they might not even take it.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

its also 100% dependent on where you live. you aren't getting it back in LA county whereas in places like Clinton county KY they might not even take it.

You are more likely to get it back in those places, yes. Also a lot of online firearms discourse involves a lot of shitting on "poors" with "cheap guns" and such, like any hobby and it's always good to remind people that cheap is only bad if it means it doesn't go bang reliably. And a Hi-Point you can afford to shoot beats a gucci gun you can't. Not that I'd EDC a Hi-Point, they're bricks and the gun world slump buster. I'd be more willing to open carry a P50 and just tell people I'm a big Star Wars fan.

 

[Dean Pentel]

due to various factors i've retired my P7 carry for my old standby Firestar .45.

Nigga, were you actually running around with that old squeeze cocker? You know, at this point it really wouldn't surprise me. Tell me what you carried it in and how it was all configured.

Yup, she's considering a Glock for the first time ever.

They work, I think that's a great size and capacity for most anyone in most any situation, and there's a robust aftermarket for anything she could ever want. My wife chose an M&P Compact after seeing me run them for the last 15 years. In whatever way works well for her, I can't recommend enough that you're supportive of her getting trained and practicing regularly with it. I definitely hope she sees the value and the fun in becoming skilled with firearms and maintaining that skill but rare is the spouse that approaches all of this similarly to us.

Spoiler: My old lady's strap

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

They work, I think that's a great size and capacity for most anyone in most any situation, and there's a robust aftermarket for anything she could ever want. My wife chose an M&P Compact after seeing me run them for the last 15 years. In whatever way works well for her, I can't recommend enough that you're supportive of her getting trained and practicing regularly with it. I definitely hope she sees the value and the fun in becoming skilled with firearms and maintaining that skill but rare is the spouse that approaches all of this similarly to us.

She was thinking of one of those, too.
She's not quite as autistic as I am, where I'm looking at differences in the March production of a gun compared the August production. But she took to guns and training like a fish to water.

I was gonna get her a standard AR in 223 and something like a Ruger LCP for her carry, but she did the research to pick out her rifle, her parts, her caliber and her Beretta instead of just getting what I was gonna have her train with. It's fairly regularly that she comes around the work desk asking how much a 50 BMG would cost us, or how our ammo supply is looking.
Compared to previous, "You have a gun in the house?!" It's really refreshing. It's part of why we're getting married, ha.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Tell me what you carried it in and how it was all configured.

Triple K leather initially, then for about 15 years (?) i used an Andrews Speed Holster before committing to IWB Kirkpatrick leather. a friend carried his M10 in an Alien Gear. while i had the original HK finish, due to his acid sweat he opted to have Robar NP3 his slide. the frame was spared since his alien gear holster has a sweat guard thing. i opted for meprolight sights for low light, but overall they're a tad small to pick up if i'm not wearing glasses and need to fire precisely with confidence. such is life.

if you're into a collectible P7, the Tex Shoemaker leather holster is the correct model for it issued to NJ state police back in the day.

i keep my Firestar in a Don Hume rough leather OWB and they also have a P7 version if you're keen on them. a bit thick for a slim gun, but just right for something heavy.