Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Romulus augustulus]

"leto i arbalet

Arbalet is a loan word from french. Arbalete in modern french, Arbalest in old french ultimately deriving from the roman word for cross-bow, Arcuballista.

 

[3D2A]

To all the Kiwi's that carry with a pistol mounted red dot (such as a 507c), how do you like it compared to carrying with something that only has irons? I'm in the market for a pistol mounted red dot. But since I've only ever used Eotech's, or full size Vortex/Holosun's on my rifles and SBR's I'm curious if the additional volume of a red dot is noticeable when AIWB carrying?

 

[SuperConglomerateWhale]

To all the Kiwi's that carry with a pistol mounted red dot (such as a 507c), how do you like it compared to carrying with something that only has irons? I'm in the market for a pistol mounted red dot. But since I've only ever used Eotech's, or full size Vortex/Holosun's on my rifles and SBR's I'm curious if the additional volume of a red dot is noticeable when AIWB carrying?

When it was in my rotation my PDP with an RMR was my main. No difference in the feeling if you AIWB with something like a t1c holster or Phlster. Sometimes it takes a second to pick up on the dot if you're doing dry fire drills. I prefer green reticles over red.

 

[likeacrackado]

To all the Kiwi's that carry with a pistol mounted red dot (such as a 507c), how do you like it compared to carrying with something that only has irons? I'm in the market for a pistol mounted red dot. But since I've only ever used Eotech's, or full size Vortex/Holosun's on my rifles and SBR's I'm curious if the additional volume of a red dot is noticeable when AIWB carrying?

There's hardly a notice effect from the volume increase for AIWB. One of my aiwb holsters has a sidecar style carrier and the dot takes up the space between the mag on the left and gun on my right. Its slightly more noticeable on my other holster, but the beavertail and grip are still a larger printing concern. Red dots are nice for shooting past 15 yards, especially on shorter sight radius handguns.

With that said I'm looking into pocket carry this year. Possibly the new Lipseys S&W 442 or the Beretta 30x. Nothing directly to do with pistol mrds, I'd rather not have a limited clothing selection or go without a CC at work when things heat up.

 

[MrJokerRager]

A PSA for people in California.

Ammo can be shipped to your door and bought right now without going through a background check.

Looking at the outcome of Rhode v. Bonta today.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I'll throw my non-sigger opinion in that a inspec 320 is probably fine but the design lacks any failsafe so if it's not inspec you have a high chance of a whoopsy daisey. So long as Sig's QC is up to standard it is most likely fine, of course that's the problem.

You could also go after market to add some actual failsafes to it.

For me, that's the issue. It has no failsafes. Sure the Sig 320 shoots fine I'm sure, it just feels cheap for the price you're paying

 

[Club Sandwich]

For me, that's the issue. It has no failsafes.

there are four independent internal safeties in the P320. there aren't any user-activated ones. this comes from the theory that a user is unreliable, and a mechanically required safety is more reliable. the old P320 had a specific design oversight where in specific circumstances an unintended discharge can happen. the P320 was improved because of this. while not as well known, it happens from time to time in the firearms industry too, like any other.

many many mass produced items follow this exact pattern of safety recall and fixing from aircraft (every aircraft ever made) to passenger vehicles (nearly every mass produced vehicle ever made, including yours) to cellphones (usually battery related, Samsung comes to mind) to power tools (DeWalt Miter Saw anyone?) to insulation (formaldehyde, improper fire rating) to kitchen mixers (lead content, electric motor fire hazards...).

Spoiler

to rewind time a bit. i've heard this argument for decades on topics like a grip-safety on the 1911, the forward assist or shell deflector or barrel profile of the M16A2, the magazine disconnect on High Power (and other pistols), whether to use a half-cock or not, and so on. people moaned about the Glock trigger-safety as well and complained it lacked any other external safeties if it gets caught on something.

it's one thing to have a preference, but at least be sure that it's not relying on theory or expectation rather than reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKMu47uWXQ

maybe it's a pet peeve, but i've had to go through hours, days maybe, of talking to officers, random people, friends, et c on the P320 situation and it's like the Glock .40 unsupported chamber kaboom all over again.

 

[WelperHelper99]

there are four independent safeties in the P320. there aren't any user-activated ones.

Well you said it there, there isn't even a thumb safety. Not asking for much, but would it kill them to have some user activated safety?

 

[Club Sandwich]

Not asking for much, but would it kill them to have some user activated safety?

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-manual-safety-parts-kit.html

it is an armor installed item, although a user can do it if they're handy disassembling the slide and FCU and milling in the required notch and slot, then fitting the new lever and bar. some P320's have it from the factory and it's an option for any custom distributor order (RSR, Lipsey's, et c). M17, M18, and specific LE packages have it by default.

 

[WelperHelper99]

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-manual-safety-parts-kit.html

it is an armor installed item, although a user can do it if they're handy disassembling the slide and FCU and milling in the required notch and slot, then fitting the new lever and bar. some P320's have it from the factory and it's an option for any custom distributor order (RSR, Lipsey's, et c). M17, M18, and specific LE packages have it by default.

Huh. Well alright then. Still a little miffed though it replaced the Beretta, even if it was kinda shit in sand

 

[Club Sandwich]

Beretta, even if it was kinda shit in sand

i've carried the M9 through deserts for many years and it never gave me or others i worked with any troubles as long as we used italian magazines. the ones from Check-Mate were absolute garbage and would fill with sand, often jamming the magazine in the magazine well, or impeding the follower. Check-Mate M14 mags and they also produced some M16 and 1911 magazines were fine. it was such an endemic problem that (along with the lime green M16 magazine follower replacement) all the CMI mags were confiscated and new ones from Italy were issued, alongside some made by Act-Mag to fill the gap.

edit: i've probably tried hundreds of makes of magazines over the years. i stick with a few that i've either used in service, or have had a lot of experience with. it's really unfortunate that a lot of good guns are let down by ammo, the magazine, or the shooter rather than the gun itself.

 

[DocAwe]

My impression with the crap Beretta mags was the army wanted them powder coated inside and out.
That is a rough texture and basically let the sand imbed itself in the mag.
When advised this was a bad idea the brass said STFU and do it, resulting in shitty mags.
The other magazines were just blued and slick, the sand couldn't stick to them and they worked great.
I may not be remembering that 100% though.

Far as SIG goes the only good plastic blaster they made was the SP2022.

 

[HumptiDouji]

Also would a 10mm Hi-Point carbine be better for home defense than the 9mm? I kinda want something with a bit more range and power, but don’t know if the additional cost and recoil is worth it.

Kinda better I guess? It'd certainly work, then some day down the line you could look at upgrading it with a High Tower stock, if you like/don't mind bullpups. They're apparently quite high quality, and it's the only option for getting a bullpup 10mm carbine that I'm aware of. Just make sure to get the stock for the right caliber if you do that.

They've talked for ages about conversion magwells for better magazines, but I don't know if they do any of those yet.
Another option is the tried and true shotgun. Mossberg's Maverick 88 is cheap and a bit gritty, but it smooths out with use and overall they're THE best poorfag scattergat. No.4 Buckshot will give you one shot stops with reduced risk of overpenetration compared to 00 Buckshot, and if you want to go hunting then 12-Gauge will work for any game in the US with the right ammo or/and chokes.

Here's someone's Maverick 88 Security (the variant which comes with an 8 round magazine), which he put Magpul furniture on. I haven't tried a gun with this furniture, but I've been told that Magpul's shotgun stock is quite comfortable and very helpful for shooting with slugs.

I vaguely remember it happening with Faxon's ARAK-21, although that mostly dropped off due to pricing and offending both side of the AR/AK debate.

It's the funniest thing. I remember when the ARAK-21 came out, and I remember that people had negative opinions about it, but when I asked about it, nobody could explain their dislike or what was bad about it, even people who I felt were pretty knowledgeable and experienced with guns.
Personally, I like the idea of long-stroke piston + Stoner/Johnson style rotating bolt, you know, like the Stoner 63.

there isn't even a thumb safety

There isn't a thumb safety on any common revolvers either.

i've carried the M9 through deserts for many years and it never gave me or others i worked with any troubles as long as we used italian magazines. the ones from Check-Mate were absolute garbage and would fill with sand, often jamming the magazine in the magazine well, or impeding the follower.

Reflects anecdotes I've heard from various other veterans, they introduced those shitty aftermarket mags and then the pistols started sucking. Probably doesn't help that a lot of the M9s eventually got pretty clapped out after a long and hard service life, like the poor M249s.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

but I've been told that Magpul's shotgun stock is quite comfortable and very helpful for shooting with slugs.

Mavericks are good but if you intend to put a red dot on it, get a Mossberg as the Mavericks aren't tapped for an optics rail.

Also, fun fact, you can make the Magpul SGA stock fit on a Browning BAR with relative ease. The forend was a different story.

 

[WelperHelper99]

There isn't a thumb safety on any common revolvers either

To be fair, a revolver like mine has a 10 pound trigger pull. It's only going off when you make a deliberate effort

 

[DEAD BIRD]

In Russian Military and PMC circles, there is a popular song called "Summer and Crossbows" when pronounced in Russian it is "leto i arbalet". That kind of sort of rhymes with what is pictured below, Zenitco and Bayonet

Аким Апачев - Лето и арбалеты (spotify link cuz embed didn't work)
I thought for a while, this song mocked Wagner Group & similar organizations. But based on his songs such as "Jumbo" and "Armata" I don't think that's entirely the case lol.
Pretty sure the title refers to the bow (arbaleti) featured on emblems of the Russian SSO

while the "summer" part refers to the Russian/Wagner operations in Syria, the song itself also mentions Ikthamnets (the russian holophrase for the "little green men" who appeared in Crimea / Ukraine in 2014.) and Wagner directly too. The culture behind songs like "Jumbo" and "Summer and Crossbows" is very strange, as is the culture formed around specifically the Wagner Group.

Anyhow, speaking of Ruski Ops, this dudes got a baller ass AK and I'm 98% sure this is the exact build I run in Tarkov whenever I use AK's lmfao. Saw this image earlier and thought it was pretty neat


Also, it's pretty nice to see that PSA were fighting that ammo thing in Cali, haven't read up on it entirely but even if it's a PR move, it's a cool move. PSA makes a lot of really cool weapons/clones for the civilian market like their recent M110 SASS clone, or that MP7 in 5.7.
I think gun laws are very retarded.

 

[Mikoyan]

Also, it's pretty nice to see that PSA were fighting that ammo thing in Cali, haven't read up on it entirely but even if it's a PR move, it's a cool move. PSA makes a lot of really cool weapons/clones for the civilian market like their recent M110 SASS clone, or that MP7 in 5.7.
I think gun laws are very retarded.

One of PSA's stated goals as a company is to make ARs in specific and semi auto in general so ubiquitous that it meets the test of 'commonly used sporting weapons' for legal purposes. If their 2A stance is PR it's comprehensive in ways that are unusual.

 

[DEAD BIRD]

One of PSA's stated goals as a company is to make ARs in specific and semi auto in general so ubiquitous that it meets the test of 'commonly used sporting weapons' for legal purposes. If their 2A stance is PR it's comprehensive in ways that are unusual.

well, I say "even if it's a PR move" solely because I'm not entirely read up on the things PSA does outside of well, making guns lol. It's very cool they do stuff like that though

 

[Bummer]

I need a good LPVO for a general purpose rifle. I'm down to a Razor HD gen3 1-10, Vudu 1-10, and PA PLxC 1-8. Anyone got any advice for me?

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

The BM-59 is a very good rifle for what it is: in my limited personal experience it's a smoother shooter than the M14s we get here. It's not only that many other parts interchange, most parts are Garand parts (particularly trigger groups, I've checked a couple of BM59s and their internals are often a mismatch of Korean-era American parts and Italian production). Between the weight, the bipod and the "tricompensatore", it's an incredibly pleasant battle rifle to shoot, far more than FALs or WW2-era semiautos.



The story is far less poetic, the Italian Army survived on hand-me-downs from Britain and the States and there was little interest in investing on small arms when they could simply adapt better foreign designs or get free gibs. Even the BM-59 wasn't given to all combat units until the 80ies, and let's not talk about second-tier units that had to deal with M1A1 and Enfields almost until the end of the Cold War. The Italian ground army was never a darling of anyone, the BM is the result of both being relatively poor and a great idea.

The AR70, that one is a thing of wonder, adopted late and slightly worse than the vast majority of 5,56. I would pay to know how many bribes Beretta paid for its adoption.

Also that PM1 is a Beretta M12, ain't it a blowback design? Or maybe someone truly believes that all SMGs work on MP5 mechanics?

The AR-70 is fine. It's a generic piston driven 5.56 Assault rifle.

Came along as a SIG 530 derivative, and the 530 led to the 540.

First issued in 1972/73 to more elite units. Mass issue in 1989/1990. The AR-70/90 had a issue fixed that would break the receiver of the original rifles.

Edited to add: fellow KF gun nerds, do you think now and within the next two months is the best time to stock up on ammo and magazines? I'm not trying to fear monger anyone but I think given this is a presidential election year in current America there's a better-than-average change of nonsense occurring as time progresses. This is what I'm going to do. Not just ammo and mags, but batteries, water filters, jars, storage stuff, etc. It's not civil war or martial law, more like retards panic buying because we're all dumb enough to listen to the media's bullshit (this includes me).

Ehh get what you want before October/November when the crazy gouging starts.

Preferably by labor day.

If Biden wins, expect price spikes.

If Trump wins, expect prices to hold or even drop a bit.

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It came from the 90's: Bandayevsky RB-12, a Russian 12ga. pump gun; only 50 made.

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Next up, a pajeet knock-off Norinco (or maybe Zastava): the Signet "Combat Stainless 90" in the totally combat-effective .32 Auto.
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Ngl, I still kinda want one just because; I just wonder if it's simple blowback instead of locked, because .32 Auto.

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More shotgun action in Ukraine:
RDT_20240129_195148.mp4

Hmmm, probably blowback but ok like to know. It's a pretty good looking little pistol.

Isn’t India one of the last places where .32 is fairly popular? Iirc Webley (which lives on in India) sells one of the few modern .32 automatics.

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I am thinking about purchasing a .380 double stack, I am thinking about the LCP MAX but want to know how good it is. Ideally I actually want a Beretta 84 just for the Death Wish cosplay, but it seems too expensive for me. I am open to other suggestions.

Also would a 10mm Hi-Point carbine be better for home defense than the 9mm? I kinda want something with a bit more range and power, but don’t know if the additional cost and recoil is worth it.

Get the Beretta 84. Very nice shooting and Beretta smartly realized that bringing it back is a good idea.

India is a hilarious market for civilian gun owners because it's very restricted, calibers allowed for civilians are strictly defined yet.... If you have the right connections you'll have AKs and Stop guns at home. No joke.

Check gunbroker. Can get lucky, there's some Beretta 84s on there right now for less than 100 bid. Probably won't go any higher than $3-350. Missed the import crate boat by a year, we got my wife's last year when a crate came in for around $250. VERY well loved, but still plenty of life. Only had to replace the firing pin.
Or, if you want the look and function without Beretta price, there are about 4 or 5 "clones" of the Cheetah. See the Taurus model I referenced earlier. Can't speak to their quality, but hard to make a shitty gun if you are doing a 1:1 rip off.
Edit: But prepare yourself. I think it is a neat little gun. Perfect for fiance, she's small and the gun feels normal sized for her. I am also small, 5'11 and never weighed above a buck 50 my whole life, medium sized hands. Might be because I'm used to revolvers and thinner 1911/Jericho style pistol, but it simultaneously feels really fat in my hands but also small and stubby.

Correct, plus your average Beretta 85 was bought decades ago, shot 2-5 times, cleaned and stored in a safe, purse, or glovebox so it's not beat to shit.

Reminds me a lot of those Chinese bootleg pistols from the 1920s. Massive fiber optic sights on them and a 10-round magazine, straight blowback single stack, very simple gun. Here's some Pajeet talking about it in Hindi.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jItzzvgxn34
For those unaware, the legal firearm situation in India is pretty unique, there's a very narrow list of firearms that are approved for permit holders to own, which consists primarily of .32 ACP semiauto pistols, .22lr revolvers and bolt action rifles, 8x50mmR (referred to in India as .315) bolt action rifles, .30-06 bolt action rifles, I believe just one 12ga shotgun, and .32 S&W Long revolvers, which I believe are all Webley pattern. All were manufactured by IOF, which is a state-owned company. This new company Signet seems like it might be a private venture and this is a new design? I have no idea, there is very little in English about them. I've heard the IOF handguns are pretty crappy. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing them imported, just to see what the prices and quality are like.

IOF guns are... Meh. Not awful as they're cloning well designed stuff from the first half of the 20th century but they have basically zero competition.

Their shotguns are almost always SxS or OU. Pump and semi are really rare.

That said they're better than the homemade junk guns that pop up although if you have the right pull you can own whatever you want.

Also, thought you all might get a kick out of this. For reference, my land was settled just a bit after the Revolutionary War and kept in the same family to this day. The house I live in was built in 1910, and we have oooooooold shit everywhere. Found this in the gunsafe built into the wall. It is turning into dust, I need to scan it eventually.
Just thought you all might like to see that, yes, you could always buy a cannon. Even the cutting edge gatling gun. And you used to just fucking mail order catalogue for it. You want a musket used in the Revolution? That's gonna run you $12, rich boy.
Makes me sick looking through it, though. I can see the X's where the man who built the house, we'll call him G (gun nut and militaria nut) marked off things he had bought. According to FIL, some not so good family ransacked G's house after he passed and sold everything that wasn't nailed down. Civil War pistols, suits of Armor, Muskets from the Revolution, Swords used in the Napoleanic War, ammo, outfits, etc..... I was lucky to have found his WW1 pistol he was smart enough to put under the floorboards after having it nickel plated. I coulda accidentallied into a dream collection. Will end up scanning the rest of this once I buy a cheap scanner, will upload it somewhere for kiwis to browse through at their leisure.
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What a fascinating brochure. Can't wait to see it in full.

In the same way that most police will blame the gun to shift blame away from themselves?

Look, you don't like the P320 that's fine. But stop acting like every Sig, let alone every P320, is just shooting itself when that absolutely is not the case. It's a tired meme as it is, but it also makes the people who make the claim look really ignorant when the actual statistics are taken into account.

Yep, Glocks had the same "issue" 25 years ago. Good couldn't stop playing with them on and off duty and accidentally shooting themselves.

I got no beef with Sig or Sig owners one of the smoothest shooting tack drivers I ever tried was an x-five legion no my issue stems from the rumors of them using parts outsourced to India.

What parts? If anything it's polymer and even that's a stretch.

In India, SIG is selling the Army ~150,000 SIG 716Is, basically AR-10s. All made on the USA.

Here's what Gun Jesus had to say on the matter:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QusWrho19zETLDW the problem happened when you dropped it on the rear sight at a specific angle, and there are still unrepaired P320s out there, because some owners either haven't heard about the design flaw or don't think it'll happen to them.

A lot of PDs have adopted the 320 because the military did.

Full disclosure: I own a P320, and bought it last year, so I'm not worried. They addressed the problem on their newer pistols; they'd be in deep shit if they just ignored it. I'm not necessarily a Sig fanboy, but until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll assume those incidents were cops having N.D.s.

Those guys are anti-Fudds. Fudd is a learned-helplessness state of mind, not something you can have imposed upon you against your will.

Correct. SIG had an issue and fixed it.

Why do so many people into guns not understand the concept of quality control? All of the people declaring that "guns never go off on their own" are just as irrational as people who always blame their ADs on the gun. Anyone remember the Remington 700 debacle? Why is it so hard to believe that a firearm could have a manufacturing defect that affects only a certain percentage of production runs? "Hasn't happened to me" So? Would you say the same thing if your car got factory recalled?

Except most guns rarely do go off on their own.

Excluding horrific Japanese WW2 semi auto pistols and awful Brazilian ones.

there are four independent internal safeties in the P320. there aren't any user-activated ones. this comes from the theory that a user is unreliable, and a mechanically required safety is more reliable. the old P320 had a specific design oversight where in specific circumstances an unintended discharge can happen. the P320 was improved because of this. while not as well known, it happens from time to time in the firearms industry too, like any other.

many many mass produced items follow this exact pattern of safety recall and fixing from aircraft (every aircraft ever made) to passenger vehicles (nearly every mass produced vehicle ever made, including yours) to cellphones (usually battery related, Samsung comes to mind) to power tools (DeWalt Miter Saw anyone?) to insulation (formaldehyde, improper fire rating) to kitchen mixers (lead content, electric motor fire hazards...).

Spoiler

to rewind time a bit. i've heard this argument for decades on topics like a grip-safety on the 1911, the forward assist or shell deflector or barrel profile of the M16A2, the magazine disconnect on High Power (and other pistols), whether to use a half-cock or not, and so on. people moaned about the Glock trigger-safety as well and complained it lacked any other external safeties if it gets caught on something.

it's one thing to have a preference, but at least be sure that it's not relying on theory or expectation rather than reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKMu47uWXQ

maybe it's a pet peeve, but i've had to go through hours, days maybe, of talking to officers, random people, friends, et c on the P320 situation and it's like the Glock .40 unsupported chamber kaboom all over again.

Yep, these days people bitch if a pistol HAS an external safety. Funny how attitudes change.

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-manual-safety-parts-kit.html

it is an armor installed item, although a user can do it if they're handy disassembling the slide and FCU and milling in the required notch and slot, then fitting the new lever and bar. some P320's have it from the factory and it's an option for any custom distributor order (RSR, Lipsey's, et c). M17, M18, and specific LE packages have it by default.

Almost any P320 grip frame and FCU can accommodate a thumb safety.

To be fair, a revolver like mine has a 10 pound trigger pull. It's only going off when you make a deliberate effort

Ahh if it doesn't have a transfer bar and you drop it on it's hammer or smack the hammer hard enough it might.