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Burekbossman said:
Not going to shit on the FAL or the AR 10, the PTR cost half of what the Daniel Defense AR10 cost and had $5 mags when I bought it. Also I like my Ak74 [5.45mm], but it never gets compared to other guns for reasons.
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Yeah there's nothing wrong with G3s, I just prefer FALs over them. But to be honest I have a half dozen 308 rifles sitting in the safe collecting dust, they're just too expensive to shoot and not practical firearms for self defense.

I'm going to anger a lot of people by saying this, but hear me out.

Rifles for most people in most circumstances are a cope. They're useful to have in the home, but the vast vast majority of your firearms training should be with whatever pistol you carry.

Most people can't bring their rifle with them to work, or in the bank, or in the grocery store, or in the gas station. You can with a pistol. The vast majority of self defense shootings occur outside the home with a pistol. You're most likely to encounter violent strangers when you're out and about. If you want to develop the skills needed to adequately defend yourself, developing your pistol abilities is of the utmost importance.

I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on guns and ammo over years and years of shooting. This is the philosophy that I've developed which I tell to new shooters and practice myself.

The absolute most important and useful gun you will ever own is the pistol you carry. Get a pistol that's small enough to carry 365 days a year, but big enough to comfortably fire 1000 rounds in a single session. Once you've found this pistol, buy as much ammo for it as you can possibly afford, and shoot it as much as you can physically make time for.
 
MIC Shill said:
Where's a good place to get number 10 percussion caps?
I'm getting a black powder revolver and it comes with everything but the caps.

Some fella recommended a reloader to make the caps out of scrap cans, but I don't really want to use scrap metal for it, nor do I really have the space for it.
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cap gun caps work well enough for range time, at least on my revolvers. some are not hot enough to ignite the powder it works most of the time.
 
Null said:
I'm seriously investigating the AR-10. I have read first hand reports of soldiers in Afghanistan being hit in L4s by AKs firing the same round. From what I see, the AK fires a very similar round, but I think the NATO round is longer and should therefore have more grains and speed (??? i am retarded) and should hit harder. But the AK 7.62s will not pierce L4s but two shots placed on core will puncture lungs and break ribs.
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762x51 is a full sized round that will punch through armor with the right rounds. AR-10 battle rifle sized. 7.62x39mm is a com bloc intermediate round built for unloading the entire mag. Less powerful, more shots. But as you said, still a ass ton of energy, will break ribs.

Buying a AK-47 clone AND a AR-10 isn't a bad idea. Youd be able to diversify your ammo supply, so when shortages happen (and they will), you aren't bottlenecked.
LemonParty said:
Yes the .308 has more ass behind it. The Nato designation is 7.62x51. The AK shoots a 7.62x39, that last number is the length of the case and therefore more powder. It's also the cheapest large caliber round because nato.

You can also shoot 6.5 Creedmore which is a longer range round with a flatter trajectory. I use it for deer hunting. My buddy has a tricked out Aero Precision AR-10 that he uses for compition shooting.

You can also fire 300 win mag which is armor piercing and uses by military snipers.

The reason you can do this with one gun is you just replace the upper receiver. Only the lower receiver is considered a "gun" by the ATF so you can just buy different uppers online and swap them out (super easy, you can do it blind folded).

The same design feature is in the AR-15.
That's the reason you can shoot a .50 cal from it with the .50 Beowolf. You can also fire an AK 7.62x39 round from an AR-15

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On 300 win mag:
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My bolt action is a 300. Yes it can punch through armor with the right projectile, and out of all rifle magnums, it's the cheapest and most common. It still costs a ton and kicks hard. If you consider this Josh, this should purely be a sniper, what it's good at. It's meant to hunt bears and go 1400 yards, not be a battle rifle.
EggImpregnator said:
Yeah there's nothing wrong with G3s, I just prefer FALs over them. But to be honest I have a half dozen 308 rifles sitting in the safe collecting dust, they're just too expensive to shoot and not practical firearms for self defense.

I'm going to anger a lot of people by saying this, but hear me out.

Rifles for most people in most circumstances are a cope. They're useful to have in the home, but the vast vast majority of your firearms training should be with whatever pistol you carry.

Most people can't bring their rifle with them to work, or in the bank, or in the grocery store, or in the gas station. You can with a pistol. The vast majority of self defense shootings occur outside the home with a pistol. You're most likely to encounter violent strangers when you're out and about. If you want to develop the skills needed to adequately defend yourself, developing your pistol abilities is of the utmost importance.

I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on guns and ammo over years and years of shooting. This is the philosophy that I've developed which I tell to new shooters and practice myself.

The absolute most important and useful gun you will ever own is the pistol you carry. Get a pistol that's small enough to carry 365 days a year, but big enough to comfortably fire 1000 rounds in a single session. Once you've found this pistol, buy as much ammo for it as you can possibly afford, and shoot it as much as you can physically make time for.
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Very much agree. Pistols should be invested and trained in. Buy multiple preferably in different calibers, both so you can't get shafted on ammo in a shortage, and so you know how to shoot anything.
 
50 Calories said:
Think of plates less as a checkmate and more as a seatbelt for moving from cover to cover. If they have no cover, or what cover there is can be defeated by what you have, such as a 5.56 with steel core ammo, then all they're left with is a 10x12" pair of plates that still leaves their neck up and stomach down exposed.
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Iirc plates are more for keeping you alive until you can get medical attention. So it really only protects you from a lot of the shots that would kill you before you can get help. It's not made to make you invincible. You can also go the dark souls route and go naked for the weight reduction and just don't get shot
 
TETRABAX said:
Iirc plates are more for keeping you alive until you can get medical attention. So it really only protects you from a lot of the shots that would kill you before you can get help. It's not made to make you invincible. You can also go the dark souls route and go naked for the weight reduction and just don't get shot
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Armor isn't a video game like you said. You feel all of it. If someone dumps a full 30 round mag of 9mm from a Glock into your plate, yes, that's going to hurt. Will you live? Probably, assuming that the internal bleeding is minimal and you can get out of the situation.

But will you be in fighting shape? I doubt it, you just took 30 shots to the chest. You probably have broken bones. At that point you need to either end the fight swiftly or run like hell.

There's also the morale factor. That's a significant emotional event getting shot. Say it's the other way around and a intruder has armor. If you mag dump into him, he is not going to be thinking straight. He wants to run. And at that point you have just won because he just ran.
 
I'll see your ar10s, fals amd g3s amd raise you an M77, Yugoslavian overbuilt quality with a slew of aftermarket AK parts compatibility. Plus if you have a dremel you can make M1A mags work in it.
 
EggImpregnator said:
Regarding drones : the trannies would need a license to operate the drone, and if Josh calls the cops and trespasses the trannies or gets a police report, he can directly use that to report them to the FAA
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This would work in Florida which is where I assume Josh is moving to because he keeps talking about his swamp. Florida is a "Stop and ID" state. In a lot of states as long as you're on public property (the road) you don't have to ID yourself and can't actually be trespasses for bring on a public road.

So now the topic is if Josh moves to Florida will he dig a moat around his property and fill it with alligators?
 
MIC Shill said:
Where's a good place to get number 10 percussion caps?
I'm getting a black powder revolver and it comes with everything but the caps.

Some fella recommended a reloader to make the caps out of scrap cans, but I don't really want to use scrap metal for it, nor do I really have the space for it.
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All I can say is good luck, brother. I have been looking for about 5 years. Everyone that still has them wants $60 for a single tin, or will only let you buy em if you buy $400 worth. After 5 years of searching, I found one normal dude on GB who posted 3 tins at $20 a pop. I only bought one, I don't wanna be that guy. But the others were gone about the second I hit purchase.
Best to make your own. Some have had luck with the little red cap gun things, make a slit so it can sit on the nipple.
 
Rendering of a Sureshot MK.3 Monolithic 5 slot chassis with integrated front sight for AK-105's
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MK.3 Monolithic with Skeet IR Clip on
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AKV-521 With Romeo 6T
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The original Sureshot MK.3 was going to be an entirely monolithic system without a dust cover but it was deemed too expensive to produce. The original concept was also left side charging as evidence by the chopped charging handle on the example below.
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SVD with Sureshot Chassis and ACR Stock
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If the 521 series of guns were to ever be adopted in any kind of military capacity, I think a mandatory upgrade as a prerequisite for adoption should be the addition of some kind of dust cover for the ejection port, I can't really think of a way for a Galil ACE style "pop down" dust cover (which the gun already incorporates on the left side) to be added without also adding a corresponding nub (and at that point, another charging handle) and a slot in the receiver for it to reciprocate "through" (which in turn, would require it's own separate pop down dust cover) so it might need to be an AR style detent based one that needs to be manually closed.
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Tacticool SVCh
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Galil with Sureshot MK.1 handguard and AR Mag adapter
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SVD with old Keymod Sureshot Chassis and 18 round handmade magazine (made by welding two 10 rounders together)
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Cubans with "Vilma" occluded optics. Operate like the old Armson OEG's except they run on batteries and not fiber optics/tritium . Very primitive, lmaoing at their lives.
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A guy who I only know of because he made a custom .22lr SVD and it was shown off on TFB made a custom suppressed machinepistol with an rpm of only 630


A few years ago Gubtuber Caleb Downing figured out that with some modification, Beretta 92 mags will function in a Glock 48 and chronicled his various experiments in a 3 part series
 

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Jewsh should just get an AR and hunnit round tiddy mag full of 75 or 77gr hunting or PD ammo and call it a day, god fucking damn. He's already an Internet nigger, so why not go all the way? At least he's not gonna be running steel case or reman I hope.....
 
SHIGGSHOGG said:
Jewsh should just get an AR and hunnit round tiddy mag full of 75 or 77gr hunting or PD ammo and call it a day, god fucking damn. He's already an Internet nigger, so why not go all the way? At least he's not gonna be running steel case or reman I hope.....
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Given the guns he's mentioned buying, he'll probably get a few mags' worth of some ludicrously expensive boutique ammo, maybe fire enough to zero an optic, and then proceed to never touch any of it again.
 
Rig your entire house up with pepper spray buy a gas mask and when they break in activate it they can't shoot you if they can't open their eyes
Pepper spray will defeat level 4 plates
 
Count Grishnackh said:
On the subject of ammo, has anyone used Sig Sauer rifle ammo? I haven't tried it out yet, but it was 154gr SP, which I prefer for deer hunting. Bought a couple of boxes for my 7mm, didn't want to spend $80 a box for Federal Premium.
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yes i tried a box of "Venari" soft points in .270 Win, and it worked impressively well to catch out a clean double lung + heart shot last year for black tail. groups at 200ish meters were under a thumbprint in size and velocity (measured using a chrony at 17C at whatever elevation my nearby range is) was consistent at 3050 +/- 10 f/s. i've been a bit of a fan of the v-crown stuff in handguns, being an improved golden saber or starpoint, but the venari was outperforming the old standby core-lokt and game kings i keep for .270 normally. (my .270 is a hand-me-down from my father - a Winchester model 54 with weaver rail. i've since slightly shortened the barrel to 22-1/4 and had it mag-na-port'ed in the 90's).

i want to try a v-crown type bullet in my .45-70 :)
 
Rent Tin said:
We've been talking the last 50,000 about level IV armor. Can you point out to me where steel plates (which don't reach level IV) ever came up in the conversation? I don't care about steel armor, nobody who anybody should take seriously recommends steel armor unless it was literally that or nothing. The ex-military troons Josh is worried about are retarded, but they have prior experience and are extremely unlikely to buy steel when ceramic is just as affordable.

Sure, if you smack a ceramic plate in the same exact spot in combat two or three fucking times you might HURT somebody, but not stop them from being an immediate threat. People shilling the Zoomer version of the "Stoppin' powah" meme (Ah yes, this here 7.62 NATO will break their ribs straight through that armor!) for the last twenty thousand pages of the thread has got me MATI.


Stop being hung up on it. There are a lot of smart people here who have given you the answer: There isn't a solution.
No amount of "stoppin' powah" is going to penetrate the armor of somebody who hates your guts enough to come and try to kill you. Incorporate DIY gender surgery into your drills. Aim for the groin and assist them with their dilation if need be.

If any of you retards start with the .50BMG meme again I'm going to have a stroke.
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.50 BMG is a sissy caliber what if the ex mil trannies hijack a tank while high on troonshine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kPfUBy19E&list=PLa7R2iFDUEvh3lSxf49NesrnEbTML9_jI
^the true and honest stopping power guaranteed to punch through level 27 bodyarmor
memes aside another thing to point out is you need to practice no matter what you buy your gonna need to shoot to get good the cheapest 50 bmg ammo I found is 50 dollars for 10 ROUNDS
when I broke in my current carry pistol I shot 150 rounds a week for 3 months and scaled it down to 100 each every other week
 
Club Sandwich said:
admittedly it's that expensive for the low volume of the purchase. quantities of thousands to tens of thousands of rounds is much more sane per round (a bit under $1 at that point). it is a lot of raw material and intended for machineguns afterall.
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I've seen bulk sites sell rounds at 1000 or 2000 in handgun calibers but I have no clue where you would buy 10,000 rounds of any ammo let alone 50 bmg not even to mention storing the ammo if jersh is serious about a humid environment ammo storage will need to be protected from humidity
 
TETRABAX said:
Assembling for AR-10 is a huge pain in the ass. Iirc it's not as standardized as the AR-15 platform. I'd just buy a stock one and go from there tbh unless you have something very specific in mind
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You just need to get a matched upper and lower receiver set and the rest should be cake.
 
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