Mega Rad Gun Thread

[AStupidMonkey]

they will lose, pin and weld to meet a minimum barrel length is a decades long accepted method directly approved by the BATFE as being a permanent part of the barrel, further, there is a procedural measurement for SBR's and unlawful confiscation even in CA where i wore a badge (and sometimes still do) the rule on "maybe" was risking paperwork and demerit, negligent conduct, or unlawful confiscation. the worst case i know of was the rifle aws destroyed without actually measuring it properly (which is supposed to be handled by a DOJ BOF officer, not the beat cop or BATFE unless they're already on hand). the guy got a 5 figure payout and the confiscating officer was put on permanent jail matron duty until he quit a few years later because his career was sidelined for the screw up.

unless you have some other reason to get pinched, hardly anyone will care. because bringing that to court is a waste of time for everyone involved typically. police resources are tight enough without time wasters and rank and file officers aren't trying to sell a case to a US attourney. they want the bigger fish, the MG conversion shops, the drug dealers that dgaf and can be leaned on for suppliers, dealing networks, prostitution, money laundering, the FFL that's selling off the books, felony possession of all kinds of stuff, et c.

if you're acting stupid with something borderline, or trying to get froggy and fake something that might catch attention, you're doing yourself a disservice.

edit: it's also worth mentioning that for confiscated firearms, determination and return (if you get it returned) varies wildly, but it's typically down to whatever your local DA says, as they're the ones that determine if charges will be pressed or not. if you get a combination of judge, DA/ADA, and local culture then sure, a confiscated gun may as well cease to exist if it's confiscated. in my experience this is a pretty rare circumstance outside of an actual homicide though, as larger investigations that have a goal of confiscation have a lot of legwork behind them to make sure they don't lose the case because of anti-2A ideology. losing cases and wasting time is a career ending move if it happens too often.

Good call. I'm sure the police will do their due diligence and pull out a measuring tape at your request.

Spoiler

lol

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

I'll show them 10 inches

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I was monkey-branching from the buy-it-for-life thread and found out Viper optics are lifetime guaranteed. Anything I should know about 'em? They have such lovely... price points.

Vortex Viper and Razor optics are excellent although a bit overpriced at the Razor tier. Thankfully, sales exist.

I have a Viper 3-15x on my bolt action and it's a treat.

The lifetime warranty is fully transferrable too so don't be scared to get a gently used Vortex.

 

[BikeLock]

....... Buying a 5.45mm rifle in the USA in 2024 is not a great idea tbh.

...because decent ones are hard to find and expensive, due to two countries currently shooting 5.45 at each other.

I have a friend who came across quite a boomer stash of old surplus 5.45, who actually DOES need a 5.45 rifle in 2024, because he's already got like 4k rounds of it, that he got for like $400 from a widow who didn't know. (married bros, if you're not gonna let the wife know how much your shit is worth, at least keep a record of it for her to find after your death, so that when she sells all of your shit its not for pennies on the dollar)

I recommended one of those Polish WBP rifles, as my rule of thumb with AK's is get something Eastern Euro or don't bother. AK's just aren't 2k rifles, and I say this as someone who owns a Russian one, lul.

Like what has been discussed throughout this thread: I wouldn't trust a PSA AK for the same reason as their AR's, however, with the AR's its just suspect assembly of known good parts, with the AK's its suspect assembly of suspect parts.

When I decide to get a 9mm AK I'm gonna get the Kalashnikov USA Vityaz copy for similar reasons.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

...because decent ones are hard to find and expensive, due to two countries currently shooting 5.45 at each other.

I have a friend who came across quite a boomer stash of old surplus 5.45, who actually DOES need a 5.45 rifle in 2024, because he's already got like 4k rounds of it, that he got for like $400 from a widow who didn't know. (married bros, if you're not gonna let the wife know how much your shit is worth, at least keep a record of it for her to find after your death, so that when she sells all of your shit its not for pennies on the dollar)

I recommended one of those Polish WBP rifles, as my rule of thumb with AK's is get something Eastern Euro or don't bother. AK's just aren't 2k rifles, and I say this as someone who owns a Russian one, lul.

Like what has been discussed throughout this thread: I wouldn't trust a PSA AK for the same reason as their AR's, however, with the AR's its just suspect assembly of known good parts, with the AK's its suspect assembly of suspect parts.

When I decide to get a 9mm AK I'm gonna get the Kalashnikov USA Vityaz copy for similar reasons.

9mm AKs are meme guns and the PSA AK-V is a fine meme gun, as is the PSA Krink.

I haven't seen a PSAK Gen 3/4/5 or 103 blow up. Do some have weird parts wear? Sure. Are they made by drunken Eastern Europeans on worn out Soviet machinery? No.

Are they good range toys and a fine introduction into the world of AKs for under $700 essentially all the time?

Yes.

I've said this before, I have a WASR. In 2024 I'd rather have a WPB. I also have a PSAK-103 as a folding stock AK and it's been great so far. Not issues, gone bang every time.

We know 7.62x39mm PSAKs can hit 17,000 rounds without issues. If someone wants to buy me 16,000+ rounds to put through my PSAK, I'm game.

 

[llllIllIllIIIIllI]

9mm AKs are meme guns and the PSA AK-V is a fine meme gun, as is the PSA Krink.

I haven't seen a PSAK Gen 3/4/5 or 103 blow up. Do some have weird parts wear? Sure. Are they made by drunken Eastern Europeans on worn out Soviet machinery? No.

Are they good range toys and a fine introduction into the world of AKs for under $700 essentially all the time?

Yes.

I've said this before, I have a WASR. In 2024 I'd rather have a WPB. I also have a PSAK-103 as a folding stock AK and it's been great so far. Not issues, gone bang every time.

We know 7.62x39mm PSAKs can hit 17,000 rounds without issues. If someone wants to buy me 16,000+ rounds to put through my PSAK, I'm game.

You're Indian, you can't own any of these as they are all banned in your shit hole country. Way to repeat memes and try to fit in. You can't own any of these guns smelly brown nigger

You don't have a wasr lol you don't have nothing

 

[EggImpregnator]

Whats wrong with PCCs? They mate beautifully with a form 1 can.

They take the worst aspects of a rifle and combine it with the worst aspects of pistols. This isn't the 1980s anymore. SBRs are prolific, reliable, and preferable to PCCs.

 

[BikeLock]

They take the worst aspects of a rifle and combine it with the worst aspects of pistols. This isn't the 1980s anymore. SBRs are prolific, reliable, and preferable to PCCs.

SBR's without a can are ear-splittingly loud, and 9mm is far cheaper to practice with.

Even 9mm through an 8 in barrel is more effective than anything from a 9mm pistol with a shorter barrel, and I would argue that PCC's are very effective at any sort of "Home Defense" distance.

Yeah an 11.5 with a can is better than any PCC. It's also more expensive that most of them, and that's before the stamp(s) (which you should be using a brace anyways, fuck the SBR stamp).

And believe it or not, there is a minimum length barrel required for a 5.56 rifle so that you can get reliable fragmentation under 100 yards, and none of them are shorter than a PCC.

Also, most PCC's are fun, what kind of nigger is against fun guns that work?

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

....... Buying a 5.45mm rifle in the USA in 2024 is not a great idea tbh.

That ammo is stupid expensive and still pretty rare.

Stick with God's own AK caliber, 7.62x39

WPB Jack for a tiny bit more than a WASR with FAR nicer furniture and a cool receiver mark

I never said it was a good decision lmao. Plus I could earn a bunch of money with Chinese folks who want to shoot 5.45

Spoiler: More horlogical discussion.

I guess in this instance, you have out-autisted me with the self fab. I have bits and pieces'd some of my favorite high end swiss movements together out of spares, parts lots, and lucky OEM ebay dials and hands and stuff. I've done the same but for far cheaper with the chinko and Jap movements. My point being, guns and watches are fucking autistic and usually have a lot of overlap.

I am still waiting for ETA to approve me as approved buyer. Don't count on it been like several years lmao.
Blessed be you, in the name saint of running over glows and building God's temple.

Selitta will absolutely sell you a Swiss movement that's a 99.5% clone of a ETA and ETA will still sell you Quartz movements.

Miyota (caliber 9015 and godlike 9075) is arguably better than Seiko at this point once you move beyond the NH35/36 (aka 4R movement series) from Seiko.

It's kinda like buying a barrel from FN vs a barrel from Colt for an AR. (Selitta vs ETA)

I haven't really bothered with ETA movements recently unless it's a friends piece I'm "repairing as a favor". I have a personal preference for Seiko but that's only because it's leagues cheaper than any Miyota I can obtain here.
Also because I'm trying to make a co-axial escapement from scratch and hate myself.

 

[Dean Pentel]

Selitta will absolutely sell you a Swiss movement that's a 99.5% clone of a ETA and ETA will still sell you Quartz movements.

Miyota (caliber 9015 and godlike 9075) is arguably better than Seiko at this point once you move beyond the NH35/36 (aka 4R movement series) from Seiko.

Ok, 1) Sellita only has one t, and 2) don't forget how good the Miyota 9039 is.

I'll add that in the last ~6-7 years LPVOs have gotten REALLY good. Not all of them but enough where you have a good amount of choices between reticles, focal planes and manufacturers

They used to have meh magnification ranges other issues but nowadays they can have red dot aiming points almost as bright as a legit red dot and very little image distortion.

They have gotten better at lower price points in recent years. This is true. I think that unless one is willing to pay ~$3k for for them, they're only average at best. Even the higher end ones make too many compromises to do what they say they will. I think something like a 3-18X paired with a red dot is better than any LPVO.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

I have a personal preference for Seiko but that's only because it's leagues cheaper than any Miyota I can obtain here.

Seiko is still king of the movement. Simplicity, strength and easy pricing. I just wish modern seiko didn't try to pretend it was a high end brand. I have a bunch of really nice watches, most of them built. The kids will get the nice ones parcelled out to them during my lifetime, but my "Grandpa Watch" is gonna be my Seiko 6139 Bruce Lee. It was early in my horological journey. Prior even to my wife buying me an actual watchmaking set. I bought one that was a literal pile of junk, missing hands, dial is FUCKED, crystal was broken, pushers bent, parts missing. It literally leaked rusty water and sludge when I first cracked it open. And somehow, I was able to repair one of the first, and highly complicated, automatic chrono movements without even proper tools and knowhow and get it to like, +2/-2 without even having a beat machine. I just autistically recorded on paper over the course of months the changes and adjusted accordingly.
I LOVE that fucking watch and it is my crowning achievement, that's the only one the kids will have to fight over once I'm dead.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Ok, 1) Sellita only has one t, and 2) don't forget how good the Miyota 9039 is.

They have gotten better at lower price points in recent years. This is true. I think that unless one is willing to pay ~$3k for for them, they're only average at best. Even the higher end ones make too many compromises to do what they say they will. I think something like a 3-18X paired with a red dot is better than any LPVO.

Sellita should have made their name like SOPROD or Rhonda that has zero spelling ambiguity

LPVOs have very distinct tiers. Under $1500 and 1-8x I'd NEVER buy a FFP one.

$300-$400 is entry level, then a half step up at ~$600, then a full step at ~$750-$1000, then $1500-$2000 then $2000+

It also all depends on what you want. High mag = meh 1x performance

Lots of neat stuff on the reticle? Bad or mediocre illumination.

Durability? Hope you like a chubby optic.

It goes on and on. All said, your rate of return falls off a cliff at about $1500. The only optics beyond that with any real justification of the price is maybe the VGOC, the ATACAR, and the absolutely fascinating S&B 1-8x shot dot.

Dual focal planes tech is fascinating and, of implemented correctly, gives you the best of both worlds..... Too bad it costs thousands of dollars.

Seiko is still king of the movement. Simplicity, strength and easy pricing. I just wish modern seiko didn't try to pretend it was a high end brand. I have a bunch of really nice watches, most of them built. The kids will get the nice ones parcelled out to them during my lifetime, but my "Grandpa Watch" is gonna be my Seiko 6139 Bruce Lee. It was early in my horological journey. Prior even to my wife buying me an actual watchmaking set. I bought one that was a literal pile of junk, missing hands, dial is FUCKED, crystal was broken, pushers bent, parts missing. It literally leaked rusty water and sludge when I first cracked it open. And somehow, I was able to repair one of the first, and highly complicated, automatic chrono movements without even proper tools and knowhow and get it to like, +2/-2 without even having a beat machine. I just autistically recorded on paper over the course of months the changes and adjusted accordingly.
I LOVE that fucking watch and it is my crowning achievement, that's the only one the kids will have to fight over once I'm dead.

The Seiko 6139 and it's siblings are so fucking cool it's not even funny.

I got to handle on from 1974 recently and it was happily ticking away and looked like a little UFO.

The fact that Seiko stopped making them is a crime. Similar to the crime of he SPAS-12 being out of production.

 

[T-800]

What do you guys think about this optic? I really want something with some zoom and flexibility. What do I search on PSA to find more shit like this? I looked up ACOGs but they are like, over a grand minimum.

Scope/red dot combo

COME ONNNNNNNN. Im calling it, this guy is trolling. You guys are being duped. To top it off this guy is former military? Yikes.

 

[BikeLock]

The fact that Seiko stopped making them is a crime. Similar to the crime of he SPAS-12 being out of production.

I have a Seiko SKX-007 (a legit made in Japan one) that is in desperate need of a tune-up after I dropped it on a tile floor. It still runs, but now its off like 50 seconds a day.

I replaced it with a trio of Casio G-shock Squares (don't worry, they all have stainless steel cases) because they're pretty much bomb proof, and aren't too busy at a glance like a mudmaster or rangemaster.

Watches that are solar powered and always have the correct time really appeal to the 'tism, as I would re-set the Seiko to the second every week (I know you don't have to do this, but the 'tism compels me). And on that note, the 7s26 movement really bugged me in its basic inability to "hack" properly, which Seiko fixed with the next version of the movement, and then took away the actual dive case with a proper screw down crown.

The SPAS-12 is out of production because the Benelli M3 does the same actual job better.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I have a Seiko SKX-007 (a legit made in Japan one) that is in desperate need of a tune-up after I dropped it on a tile floor. It still runs, but now its off like 50 seconds a day.

I replaced it with a trio of Casio G-shock Squares (don't worry, they all have stainless steel cases) because they're pretty much bomb proof, and aren't too busy at a glance like a mudmaster or rangemaster.

Watches that are solar powered and always have the correct time really appeal to the 'tism, as I would re-set the Seiko to the second every week (I know you don't have to do this, but the 'tism compels me). And on that note, the 7s26 movement really bugged me in its basic inability to "hack" properly, which Seiko fixed with the next version of the movement, and then took away the actual dive case with a proper screw down crown.

The SPAS-12 is out of production because the Benelli M3 does the same actual job better.

Yeah, I know the M3 is technically better.

What Beretta SHOULD do is make a shotgun with the M3 action in a SPAS-12-like shell. Call it the SPAS-14 or something. Too bad they hate money.

As for your Seiko SKX.... Good news, namokis sells adjusted movements that are drop in replacements for the 7S.... The Seiko 4R series with hacking and hand winding for $65.

Pop that bitch in and you're set for another decade at least.

 

[BohrokSwarms]

COME ONNNNNNNN. Im calling it, this guy is trolling. You guys are being duped. To top it off this guy is former military? Yikes.

Do you think the military, like, gives classes on customizing your M4? Do you think they issue us a multi thousand dollar ACOG and then go into detail about which brands of optic are good or bad in case we want to customize it? Do you think they give us gunsmithing classes so we can be more comfortable shooting with highly personalized rifles? I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Yeah, I know the M3 is technically better.

What Beretta SHOULD do is make a shotgun with the M3 action in a SPAS-12-like shell. Call it the SPAS-14 or something. Too bad they hate money.

As for your Seiko SKX.... Good news, namokis sells adjusted movements that are drop in replacements for the 7S.... The Seiko 4R series with hacking and hand winding for $65.

Pop that bitch in and you're set for another decade at least.

Also good news, building a watch has never been cheaper and easier.
I know what recommending this is gonna make me look like. But AliExpress has every single part that you need, even seiko NH movements, for pennies. I have built a Seiko Tuna completely custom (wish I could show pics, but there is guaranteed not another like it and it would be too easy to trace back to me) from scratch for around $70, the same watch would have cost bare minimum $500 from seiko. Seiko NH35 (adjusted for accuracy by me), Stainless steel case with 300m tested WR. Sapphire Crystal with AR. Exhibition caseback also with sapphire and 300m tested WR so you can see the custom rotor. A reprint seiko dial with actual rose gold indices and genuine C3 lume (stays glowing for like 12 hours) and Marine Master hands also with C3.
In this day and age, much as it sucks to say, there is no reason to buy a modern seiko watch (that isn't grand seiko). You can build the exact watch that you want for less than $50 off ali.

 

[-VorpalAnvil-]

COME ONNNNNNNN. Im calling it, this guy is trolling. You guys are being duped. To top it off this guy is former military? Yikes.

The overwhelming majority of people in the military hardly ever see a rifle outside of basic training. Even guys that were infantry often just learned the basics of their issued systems and thats all. Theres no shortage of retired military guys on forums talking about how much more they learned after they left the service and wanted to get into guns in their new civilian life.

 

[Samhain]

SBR's without a can are ear-splittingly loud

PCCs are extremely loud too, though. There may be 2 or 3 dB of difference, but if you fire an unsuppressed 9mm indoors, your ears will definitely not be enjoying that. Suppressed 9mm does sound much better than suppressed 5.56, though.

And believe it or not, there is a minimum length barrel required for a 5.56 rifle so that you can get reliable fragmentation under 100 yards, and none of them are shorter than a PCC.

There are a wide variety of civilian accessible 5.56 rounds that will reliably expand at relatively low velocities (even down to 1800fps). With ammo like like that, the effective range of an 11.5" becomes 250-300 yards. There's no reason to limit ourselves to FMJs.

PCCs these days serve far fewer roles than they once did, but I agree that there are still roles that they fulfill. With a folding stock/brace, they can fit in small, inconspicuous bag, Tiny wife thinks your sick-ass MK18 with RIS II rail is too heavy? Get her a PCC with a 6-7" barrel.

Also, most PCC's are fun

True. I have an AR-9 I bought for cheap, and it's one of the most fun guns to shoot that I own. Wasn't expecting that.

 

[BikeLock]

Yeah, I know the M3 is technically better.

What Beretta SHOULD do is make a shotgun with the M3 action in a SPAS-12-like shell. Call it the SPAS-14 or something. Too bad they hate money.

As for your Seiko SKX.... Good news, namokis sells adjusted movements that are drop in replacements for the 7S.... The Seiko 4R series with hacking and hand winding for $65.

Pop that bitch in and you're set for another decade at least.

If Benelli or Beretta decided to make a modern auto shotgun that LOOKED like a Spas 12, I would buy one tomorrow, damn the price. (well, keep it under 2k at least, lul)

I would accept a 1201 with a heatshield and that top folding stock. For fucks sake, IF SOMEBODY WOULD JUST REPLICATE THE FUCKING STOCK SO THAT I COULD ADAPT IT TO A SHOTGUN THAT WORKS that would be "good enough" lmao.

Palmetto State Armory ARE YOU LISTENING? Can you take some time out of your not making AR's and AK's properly activities and pump out some SPAS 12 folding stocks that bolt on to various shotguns like the Beretta 1201 or A300? That would be pretty kino of you. Literally nobody cares that its a painful meat tenderizer, the goddamn stock is the major visual selling point...