Mega Rad Gun Thread

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Got a bunch of guns of all types. Never ventured into air guns though and know very little about them. But I want one! A big one.

Where do I start in terms of worthwhile brands and airgun-specific knowledge?
 
They have gotten better at lower price points in recent years. This is true. I think that unless one is willing to pay ~$3k for for them, they're only average at best. Even the higher end ones make too many compromises to do what they say they will. I think something like a 3-18X paired with a red dot is better than any LPVO.
Another alternative is a chevron-reticle red dot paired with a magnifier, which I used for a while as my run and gun setup before swapping to a PA 5x microprism with an offset dot.
 
Do you think the military, like, gives classes on customizing your M4? Do you think they issue us a multi thousand dollar ACOG and then go into detail about which brands of optic are good or bad in case we want to customize it? Do you think they give us gunsmithing classes so we can be more comfortable shooting with highly personalized rifles? I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here.
Did they not teach you how to use google?
 
They take the worst aspects of a rifle and combine it with the worst aspects of pistols. This isn't the 1980s anymore. SBRs are prolific, reliable, and preferable to PCCs.
I only see a benefit if it’s a a super short gun. I have a 5” cmmg RDB upper and with my omega 9k can it’s still super short. Super quiet and fun to shoot. 300 blk subs out of a 5” barrel may offer better terminal ballistics though.
 
Got a bunch of guns of all types. Never ventured into air guns though and know very little about them. But I want one! A big one.

Where do I start in terms of worthwhile brands and airgun-specific knowledge?
They're cool, but not at all cost effective when you take everything into consideration.
A hand pump costs $60 and sucks to use, and tanks are a solid 400 and cost at least 15 to fill, or a compressor is at least 300. Not very easy to refill out in the field, as even the pump weighs a solid 8 pounds and is big and clunky.
Ammo varies, but it isn't as cheap as it used to be, and the preferred pellets of a few years ago are now as much or more than cheap .22lr. Slug guns are also pretty cool, but shot count is low and they're usually but very light themselves, let alone affordable. Slugs are almost always ¢10 minimum, and range up to about $1.50 a piece of you're buying big bore(just cast your own), so at a point you could actually SAVE money shooting .22lr.
Big bores are pretty sick, especially the .82 AEA Zeus, but they're easily louder than a 12 gauge slug due to the massive volume air dump.
The one advantage is that you can legally install a "moderator" or "lead dust collector" and stealthen things up a bit.

I still like airguns, but only really things like the Daisy 880 for leaving in the shed, or the Diana Bandit for a sneaky sub 30 yard squirrel getting. I owned some medium expensive ones, but ended up selling then a while ago.
 
They're cool, but not at all cost effective when you take everything into consideration.
A hand pump costs $60 and sucks to use, and tanks are a solid 400 and cost at least 15 to fill, or a compressor is at least 300. Not very easy to refill out in the field, as even the pump weighs a solid 8 pounds and is big and clunky.
Ammo varies, but it isn't as cheap as it used to be, and the preferred pellets of a few years ago are now as much or more than cheap .22lr. Slug guns are also pretty cool, but shot count is low and they're usually but very light themselves, let alone affordable. Slugs are almost always ¢10 minimum, and range up to about $1.50 a piece of you're buying big bore(just cast your own), so at a point you could actually SAVE money shooting .22lr.
Big bores are pretty sick, especially the .82 AEA Zeus, but they're easily louder than a 12 gauge slug due to the massive volume air dump.
The one advantage is that you can legally install a "moderator" or "lead dust collector" and stealthen things up a bit.

I still like airguns, but only really things like the Daisy 880 for leaving in the shed, or the Diana Bandit for a sneaky sub 30 yard squirrel getting. I owned some medium expensive ones, but ended up selling then a while ago.
It would definitely be more of a hobby than my other guns. Thank you for the good information. Airguns sure seem like fun.

I wish Colonel Moran's airgun from The Adventure of the Empty House were real.
 
COME ONNNNNNNN. Im calling it, this guy is trolling. You guys are being duped. To top it off this guy is former military? Yikes.
My friend 's younger brother made a killing selling guns between people while stationed in kandahar based on what we told him. Joes are great at using guns but don't know much about them. The armorer sets them up.
 
They take the worst aspects of a rifle and combine it with the worst aspects of pistols. This isn't the 1980s anymore. SBRs are prolific, reliable, and preferable to PCCs.

Part of me will always love the MP5, I put maybe 200 rounds through a post dealer sample friend of friend of LE kind of deal. I felt so guilty it was all expensive premo law enforcement marketed JHP's, no cheap Winchester white box but got damn I couldn't turn down the offer to test drive that thing. There's just something about the MP5 platform, I know it's outdated has no LRBHO the magazines are a fucking pain to stack on a plate carrier but, it was just a great gun. I guess more of a collectors item these days. Keep in mind that 7" 5.56 SBR is just dumping so much pure kinetic energy into the air, so much lost muzzle velocity. Let's not forget here the cartridge was designed for a 20" barrel. Now I chug the .300BLK koolaid. I went .300 BLK "pistol" before I even owned a basic bitch 5.56 AR because I have a hard on for PDW platforms.
 
I like this concept, and it made me think of watches in the same way. "Bro that Seiko 5 is the cheapest automatic made you need to get a Rolex Swiss made or nothing" is a retarded fucking take and yet the same exact thing is said about guns constantly. Not everyone needs a mechanical toolwatch, or 200 meter water resistance, or anything a Casio World Time can't do PERFECTLY for 30 bucks. Grabbing a PSA as a plinker you MAY have to use as a defensive weapon is a completely valid option.
My take for new gun owners is shoot something cheap or a buddy's gun and figure out what you hate and like about it, then go buy something that keeps the aspects you like while shoring up what you hated. The best gun is the one you'll practice with, and you're not going to do that with something you hate even if others swear by it.
 
Did they not teach you how to use google?
If I did what the first page of google results told me I would have some retarded <11.5" AR in 6mm ARC with a brace and a firebreather brake on it and a Tru-Glo optic.
Guy wants to hear it from the forum he's on while there's a place to discuss it, don't be a faggot.
 
The reason O\U guns are so popular is getting longer barrels in a shorter and lighter gun. That and running two different chokes. Longer barrels typically get better patterns, and more velocity is always helpful.

Shotguns are pointing weapons where your eye is the rear sight. Red dots just aren’t the best sighting system for skeet, or sporting clays. They can work for trap and certain hunting situations.

I’m all for red dots. I have one on my carry pistol, but they are not the be all end all for clay shooting.
I just want a over under/double barrel because it's cool. Literally no other reason. Not as my first shotty, but sometime.
As I've said before, sunk costs and the production line is setup to have them on most of what they make.

Show me on the doll where the lock touched you.

Other gun makers have internal action locks, including Ruger and Taurus.

Post early 2000s they didn't impact sales enough to be an issue. This has been yammered about for decades by Fudds.
Production has always been why I've thought they never got rid of it. I know manufacturing. Changing tooling is a monster task, and moreover, you're getting rid of the jobs for the guys that install the locks. And yeah, other companies have locks but nobody talks about it. Absolute fudd issue.
View attachment 6215525
Taurus makes an FNC in 30 carbine
Doesn't appear we can get one.
I want a 30 carbine FNC so bad bro. 30 carbine needs more love.
Buying a 5.45mm rifle in the USA in 2024 is not a great idea tbh.

That ammo is stupid expensive and still pretty rare.

Stick with God's own AK caliber, 7.62x39 😎

WPB Jack for a tiny bit more than a WASR with FAR nicer furniture and a cool receiver mark
7.62x39mm is a based fucking round. Does it tumble? Depends on the ammo, but usually no. But it does penetrate barriers 5mm/22 calibers have trouble with. And while it's shit against armor, it's going to HURT.

It's also now getting produced in the west in sizeable amounts. Yes it's more expensive than Russian steel case, it's brass for the most part lol, especially Winchester stock. But unlike 5.45, I can get it and feed my SKS the cleanest 7.62x39mm money can buy. Personally though im a fan of Norma, which gets it from Bulgaria:
7.62x39.jpg
124 grains of pain at 2430 FPS. Accurate as fuck. And ranges don't give you shit since it's non magnetic. Most of all, reloadable.
I don't believe in PCCs
Whats wrong with PCCs? They mate beautifully with a form 1 can.
They take the worst aspects of a rifle and combine it with the worst aspects of pistols. This isn't the 1980s anymore. SBRs are prolific, reliable, and preferable to PCCs.
A PCC is a submachine gun without the full auto. It still is useful, especially if you WANT less pen. Which in your apartment or house is nice, less chance of holes in the wall and more chance it sticks in the guy you hit. They're also cheap. A hipoint carbine is in the 300s. Which I want btw, in 45, for my dollar store tommy. Most of all you can share ammo with your pistol, which if you're on a budget is nice.
 
Last edited:
It's kind of perplexing that nobody has figured out how to make an AR-45 run yet. Be nice if there was an option other than 9 that wasn't an HK, Stribog, or a lever gun in .357 or .44 mag.
I'd buy the fuck out of a AR-45. I forgot the guns and ammo issue i read about it, but there are some AR lookalikes (internals completely different, not a AR) in 45. I think that why there isn't a direct clone though is pressure. SAMMI lists max pressure as 21000 psi. C.i.p lists it as 19000. So just say 20,000. That is not much to work with for a AR gas system compared to 9mm, which is in the 35,000 psi range.

But IF it were possible, I want a full 16 inch barrel, or a shorter one with a pinned brake, and it uses Tommy gun mags for max reliability and ammo since it holds 30 rounds.
 
I'd buy the fuck out of a AR-45. I forgot the guns and ammo issue i read about it, but there are some AR lookalikes (internals completely different, not a AR) in 45. I think that why there isn't a direct clone though is pressure. SAMMI lists max pressure as 21000 psi. C.i.p lists it as 19000. So just say 20,000. That is not much to work with for a AR gas system compared to 9mm, which is in the 35,000 psi range.

But IF it were possible, I want a full 16 inch barrel, or a shorter one with a pinned brake, and it uses Tommy gun mags for max reliability and ammo since it holds 30 rounds.
Most 9mm PCC's are straight blowback, I'm fairly positive that blowback .45 ACP submachine guns have been a thing for at least 100 years.

Maybe its just demand?

I think a 10.5 AR in 10mm auto would be pretty neat.

Brainwave: Does that Flux raider chassis work on the larger caliber P320's?
From a quick look on the Sig pReddit it seems that one of the guys from FLUX says they're developing a model that will work with the larger mags, so... "soon", from one year ago.
 
Last edited:
Daisy 880 for leaving in the shed, or the Diana Bandit
I have such a soft spot for Daisy, had a single pump bb Daisy as a kid. I once snuck up on a prairie dog and shot it from about 6 feet away. BB bounced off, prairie dog squeaked, and I learned a lesson about ensuring whatever I shoot will not suffer needlessly. That Diana Bandit looks like a hell of a lot of fun, and gives me so many spacegun vibes I know it's in my future :)
me will always love the MP5
Me will always love the MP5 too, it's a classic, simple, reliable gun. LRBHO would be nice, especially for mag swaps, but the simplicity of the MP5 is beautiful to me even with its flaws.
Now I chug the .300BLK koolaid
For the ranges I'm likely to fire, .300BLK seems like a really good compromise. Designed to be subsonic but still carry plenty of energy, and if I'm needing to take a really long shot it could still at least be deterrent. Obviously on paper it's "worse" than 5.56 in most metrics but that's through a full 20 inch barrel, and a home defense shorty with .300BLK would still slap dick.
124 grains of pain at 2430 FPS
Like a 9mm with some ass behind it, and a lot of it. Definitely a versatile round, but heavy as well. I can understand why so many militaries decided on smaller, lighter rounds, but that also should mean there's not a 7.62 black hole swallowing up all production to spray in some field across the planet.
 
Most 9mm PCC's are straight blowback, I'm fairly positive that blowback .45 ACP submachine guns have been a thing for at least 100 years.

Maybe its just demand?

I think a 10.5 AR in 10mm auto would be pretty neat.

Brainwave: Does that Flux raider chassis work on the larger caliber P320's?
I would have to check on the flux raider, idk. But you're right about 9mm PCCs, true. And yes, almost all 45 acp sub guns have been blowback with a rare exception or two. It could work in a AR I guess, but it'd be heavy. I still stand I want it to use Tommy gun mags. Really reliable mags, holds 30 rounds.
Like a 9mm with some ass behind it, and a lot of it. Definitely a versatile round, but heavy as well. I can understand why so many militaries decided on smaller, lighter rounds, but that also should mean there's not a 7.62 black hole swallowing up all production to spray in some field across the planet
I never thought of it as 9mm but speedy, but you're right, the weight is the same. I agree. There should be a balance in production. 7.62x39mm definitely has a place, especially in room to room. 7.62x39mm will punch through walls and wood doors like no tomorrow. Cover in urban combat definitely is less protective if it's getting hit by 7.62x39mm. It just has more energy than 5.56 or 5.45, and it doesn't tumble, letting it actually make pens in wood, brick, concrete even. Also good in jungle.
 
Back
Top Bottom