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I thought GIGN used CZ Bren 2's in 7.62x39?
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For those interested in combloc party-poppers:
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i’m already assuming this is a bad rifle. My question is why? What is the difference when these are basically all AR15s? It’s weird to me how almost the exact same product can vary so drastically in price
https://www.primaryarms.com/american-tactical-omni-hybrid-maxx-5.56-ar15-rifle-16-black
https://www.primaryarms.com/american-tactical-omni-hybrid-maxx-5.56-ar15-rifle-16-black
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Polymer lowers are dumb. If you're trying to make a quality, low-weight AR be prepared to pay for quality but purchase a light weigh hand guard and pencil barrel.
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Materials, manufacturing processes, adherence to industry standards, quality control, etc. Yes, something made to a high standard costs more and performs better than something made as cheaply as possible. How can a prime rib steak cost more than the shittiest gloyslop burger? They're both beef? There is always diminishing returns of course, but you have to pay for quality.
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Metal reinforced polymer receiver lol, I only ever wanna see that on a magazine, thats why its so cheap. Always read the fine text.
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You are correct. They used to have a short barreled AR of some sort (HK416 I believe), but after that terrorist attack in Paris about 10 years ago they switched to the Bren 2 in 7.62x39mm because it punched through barriers better out of short barrels. Though, I'm sure an elite counter-terror group like GIGN have various different longarms at their disposal in their armory.
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I'm not saying it's a bad choice. But surely they could have procured AP .300BLK and had more selections of firearms.
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Sorry my friend, I'm gonna have pass on that offer on account of my irrational fear of the AIDS virus. Hopefully I can make it up to ya with this here video clip. I was watching my favorite show and when I saw this I thought of you ranting about full auto despite never being in a gunfight.
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I have seen more weird ass failures from ATI Omni lower guns than every other AR maker combined and it isn't even close. They're particularly prone to funky issues that I think are caused by flex in the lower where it mates to the buffer tube. One gun straight up spit out the buffer retainer into the FCG and had the retainer spring get mashed up between the BCG and the upper receiver. In a world of ~$40-50 Anderson lowers I fail to see the point.
I freely admit that I like the KE Arms plastic lower and have run both of mine pretty hard without issue, but just cloning a lower designed to be made from aluminum in plastic is a hard pass from me.
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I think it came down to 7.62x39mm being a better logistical choice than .300 Blk since many European ammunition manufacturers still regularly load it due to the widespread proliferation of the Kalashnikov in European (especially Eastern European) militaries and law enforcement. It's been a while since I read up on the adoption of the CZ Bren 2 by GIGN, so my memory may be a bit fuzzy on some of the details.
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while there are only a dozen or so actual forges that make the receivers and uppers, with finish machining either being contracted or done in house and in some cases limited to some specific feature (set screw for uppers) or roll mark (Spike's Tactical, PSA, and many others), the actual assembly of components and selection of components will vary.
the cost of barrels vary between manufacturers (Green Mountain, White Oak, Criterion, Colt, Bushmaster, FN, SIG, Ruger, CLE, et c) and if they're doing significant QA/QC or are gauging everything coming off the bench or just doing batch testing and relying on a couple wrenches and a shared torque wrench, et c.
in the US, labor is the largest single factor for fixed costs - things like rent or materials are typically much much smaller. also what might be a thing is the AR-15 and M16 has been around with compatible parts (more or less) for the better part of 70 years. it's a known product and a lot of very high volumes of parts have been made, so for a manufacturer, the cost of entry to the market is quite low, comparetively. from stocking small parts and certain large parts or assemblies that can be built with hand tools and some machine tools like an arbor press or engraver, it's a shockingly cheap rifle to produce in the US, on the scale of producing an AKM in a former soviet-bloc country.
for the ATI Omni Hybrid in particular, they are also saving on material costs as contracting someone to do the receiver and injection mold it around a frame is less expensive from a manufacturing perspective than doing actual machine setup and milling everything or even just doing assembly on outsourced receivers. some receivers are also flat out better than others when it comes to polymer ones as without good design they are significantly more prone to failure at higher round counts or with rough use (say what you will, but Plum Crazy, and later KE Arms have a good design).
the ATI would make a pretty good .22LR lower host or as a "throw away" AR that will be shot little but has to work in a limited capacity, like varminting in mountains and you don't want to risk your Noveske. so you have your ATI Omni with discount Bushmaster upper so it if goes off a cliff you're out $300 and not $3000.
you are paying for both less questions on the quality, component selection, QA/QC, and fitment as well as whatever aftermarket support is available. for experienced builders, they know the rifle well enough, and the components well enough, that the warranty is functionally a waste of money. for others that are less familiar, buying warranty (which is built into the price of the item since the US basically forces 1 year of warranty by law via implied warranty) is buying peace of mind and the ability to reach out to assistance if needed. there is a tendency for high quality items to have a longer than average warranty because it becomes a selling point that the high quality manufacturer rarely has to honor owing to the product's intrinsic high quality of manufacture.
also:
under $200 for a .380 LCP is a steal.
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I'd be really curious to know what their go to load is.
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@BohrokSwarms Here, get the thread to roast this rifle for you. Ive heard of this manufacturer but dont know anything about them:
Or, for 10 more good goy shekels:
Or, for 10 more good goy shekels:
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@BohrokSwarms youre still looking for a poverty AR? Why dont you just buy a completed PSA lower and then save up for a better upper?
I'd get these two if I were an ultra poorfag. The upper is still PSA but its not bad.
I'd get these two if I were an ultra poorfag. The upper is still PSA but its not bad.
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they are currently using a modified 124gr JSP from S&B and NHS 7.62x39 from Manurhin. this is to buy time with something effective to see how .300 Blackout works in the EU. if it goes well the plan is to do a barrel swap, as the Bren 2 is very modular. CZ also provided in the contract 7.62x39 123gr JHP ammunition in a copper-washed case as part of the initial order, that ammunition i'm not sure where it was made, possibly from within the Czech Republic or Turkey.
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I hope there aren’t red flag laws in your jurisdiction.
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Why'd they make it look so retarded? Do they sell it in a Russian-military-clone configuration?
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You can buy their kit for three types of 9mm AK pattern guns and they have two or three different SKUs. There is a default one that's all black that tries to go for the real look, but it's not 1-to-1 as it's all modern additive manufacturing. And that cartel/blinged out one is for some giveaway at a convention.