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John Badman said:
How the hell do I shoot good(:_(
I went to the range again today and zeroed my red dot properly before putting another 150 rounds through the barrel. I’m up to 350 rounds shot with my gun and my form is doodoo dogshit.

My accuracy is alright when I go slow and work my way to the trigger wall; I overcompensate and dip down left if I’m rapid firing, that’s if I’m not trying to find my reticle. How the hell do I get gud?

I feel like I may be too rigid and not letting the gun recoil correctly back onto target. At least I feel like I’m making progress trying to learn holster draw and getting into low ready/compressed ready position. I finally stopped racking a new mag like a newbie and started letting the slide release chamber for me.
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John Badman said:
I’ll be broke by the end of the month if I go more than once a week. I’ve heard buying the cheapest ammo is good for failure training, I’ve only ever failed to enter battery once and fumbled with it a bit. Should I be running the cheapest 9mm ammo I can pick up at the range to train muscle memory?
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Learn irons first and pace your shots. Shooting fast is for hoodrats. Once you figure out irons, move onto your red dot. Walk before you run.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
Learn irons first and pace your shots. Shooting fast is for hoodrats. Once you figure out irons, move onto your red dot. Walk before you run.
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I prefer to train on red dot first since it’s super imposing rather than running irons. I’m a blind astigmatic retard and even tritium night sights blur out if I don’t have contacts in. Red dot is meant to literally save my life, not be fancy. Regarding the rapid fire it’s hard to pace myself between excited and accurate. On a body silhouette in a rapid fire of 3 rounds I can get back on target and hit inside the 8 point ring at 15 yards, it’s when I move past that first three I get giddy and start seeing flingers down and left. It feels like a mix of both overcompensating/anticipating as well as me trying desperately to pull the dot back on target.

I’ll consider your proposal of taking the optic off and training form over function if I can’t move past the mental block of not chasing the laser.
 
John Badman said:
I prefer to train on red dot first since it’s super imposing rather than running irons. I’m a blind astigmatic retard and even tritium night sights blur out if I don’t have contacts in. Red dot is meant to literally save my life, not be fancy. Regarding the rapid fire it’s hard to pace myself between excited and accurate. On a body silhouette in a rapid fire of 3 rounds I can get back on target and hit inside the 8 point ring, it’s when I move past that first three I get giddy and start seeing flingers down and left. It feels like a mix of both overcompensating/anticipating as well as me trying desperately to pull the dot back on target.
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A red dot is fancy by definition. Figure out irons first. When you figure that out, the red dot will feel so much easier. Just have your contacts in dude. And work on your breathing. Thats half of why you're jumping, your body is restless. Pace your shots, and you'll end up with a decent group.
 
John Badman said:
How the hell do I shoot good(:_(
I went to the range again today and zeroed my red dot properly before putting another 150 rounds through the barrel. I’m up to 350 rounds shot with my gun and my form is doodoo dogshit.

My accuracy is alright when I go slow and work my way to the trigger wall; I overcompensate and dip down left if I’m rapid firing, that’s if I’m not trying to find my reticle. How the hell do I get gud?

I feel like I may be too rigid and not letting the gun recoil correctly back onto target. At least I feel like I’m making progress trying to learn holster draw and getting into low ready/compressed ready position. I finally stopped racking a new mag like a newbie and started letting the slide release chamber for me.
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1. Buy a .22lr
2. Buy 500 rounds of .22lr
3. ???
4. Get gooder
 
John Badman said:
How the hell do I shoot good(:_(
I went to the range again today and zeroed my red dot properly before putting another 150 rounds through the barrel. I’m up to 350 rounds shot with my gun and my form is doodoo dogshit.

My accuracy is alright when I go slow and work my way to the trigger wall; I overcompensate and dip down left if I’m rapid firing, that’s if I’m not trying to find my reticle. How the hell do I get gud?

I feel like I may be too rigid and not letting the gun recoil correctly back onto target. At least I feel like I’m making progress trying to learn holster draw and getting into low ready/compressed ready position. I finally stopped racking a new mag like a newbie and started letting the slide release chamber for me.
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Dry fire

Developing an index can be done without firing rounds. In fact the only thing you can’t train with dry fire is recoil control.

Check out Ben Stoeger on YouTube and others who actually can shoot proficiently and teach it to others. Vet your info sources and ignore fudds.
 
John Badman said:
How the hell do I shoot good(:_(
I went to the range again today and zeroed my red dot properly before putting another 150 rounds through the barrel. I’m up to 350 rounds shot with my gun and my form is doodoo dogshit.

My accuracy is alright when I go slow and work my way to the trigger wall; I overcompensate and dip down left if I’m rapid firing, that’s if I’m not trying to find my reticle. How the hell do I get gud?

I feel like I may be too rigid and not letting the gun recoil correctly back onto target. At least I feel like I’m making progress trying to learn holster draw and getting into low ready/compressed ready position. I finally stopped racking a new mag like a newbie and started letting the slide release chamber for me.
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Remember what Wyatt Earp said: fast is fine, accuracy is final. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Start out slow, make your shots count, then work on being a little faster while staying accurate. Then a little faster.
 
Mikoyan said:
The stock is naturally designed around Magpul glock mags. The stendo it's designed for is the PMAG 21 GL-9 which has 21 round capacity, as indicated.

I'm not entirely sure about the second part but most of their product shots are done with their own 12-round subcompact mag which doesn't stick out too far.
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I bought some Glonk PMAGs and here's what I learned.

The 27 round fits generally but doesn't lend itself well to the collapsing thing.
The 21 fits perfectly in the stock storage, but is a bit annoying to get out.
The 12 fits perfect in the Magwell in collapsed configuration.

So the ideal travel setup for the Ruger 9mm PCC with Magpul takedown stock is... 12 round PMAG in the magwell, 21 round PMAG in the stock storage.

Now it is time to do some shoot.
 
John Badman said:
How the hell do I shoot good(:_(
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Take a class, get yelled at, become informed, feel good.
Otherwise, dryfire. Lots of dryfire. Cringy as it may sound, weapons familiarity without firing a shot is a great way to understand it when you finally do take it out. A good bar to set for yourself is placing a penny on your front sight and working your technique until you can dryfire without it falling off.
 
John Badman said:
How the hell do I shoot good(:_(
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Along with what everyone else has suggested, printing some of these targets out helped me a lot:
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It's mirrored for left-handed.
 
Speaking of dry fire since you have a Glock, do this:


Not having to rack the slide each time to manipulate the trigger is helpful to get reps faster. It’s not so much the weight of the trigger that causes people to move the gun off target when firing, it’s the movement. You want to be able to pull the trigger without disturbing the sight. Grip firmly with your firing hand but not so firm that pulling the trigger causes you to move the gun. With your support hand, grip really firmly, but not to the point of your hand shaking.
 
Lord of the Large Pants said:
So the ideal travel setup for the Ruger 9mm PCC with Magpul takedown stock is... 12 round PMAG in the magwell, 21 round PMAG in the stock storage.
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33 to hand in the rifle with no real stick-out. Sounds like a fine packin' configuration to me. Can always put more in your gear if you want.
 
John Badman said:
I prefer to train on red dot first since it’s super imposing rather than running irons. I’m a blind astigmatic retard and even tritium night sights blur out if I don’t have contacts in. Red dot is meant to literally save my life, not be fancy. Regarding the rapid fire it’s hard to pace myself between excited and accurate. On a body silhouette in a rapid fire of 3 rounds I can get back on target and hit inside the 8 point ring at 15 yards, it’s when I move past that first three I get giddy and start seeing flingers down and left. It feels like a mix of both overcompensating/anticipating as well as me trying desperately to pull the dot back on target.

I’ll consider your proposal of taking the optic off and training form over function if I can’t move past the mental block of not chasing the laser.
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I'm going to be real with you, I'm fucking blind without any form of vision correction, I'm not even going to be able to see my rear sight, let alone the front.

And with an astigmatism, this INCLUDES pretty much any form of red dot sight that isn't a holographic one, you're not going to be seeing a red dot so much as a giant red splotch that takes up 3/4's of the optics viewing window.

-5.0 on the left, -4.5 on the right. My clear vision without glasses ends about 6in from my face...

And then if I wear my glasses, they're really sensitive to parallax, too.

Don't be intimidated by irons, control your breathing, and develop a consistent trigger pull. Dry fire practice will help a bit with this, especially if you get one of those fancy dryfire systems that use a laser and a target to help you see how much your shot moves through a trigger pull. You want to focus on not moving the gun at all while pulling the trigger.
 
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