Mega Rad Gun Thread

[John Badman]

You need the serial number for the item in question or there is nothing to file paperwork for. Most dealers for suppressors will work with you on this.

So I probably need to do more research. Maybe I’ll get one next year when I have that cash to blow. If they don’t have it in stock I’ll have to pay all those fees for purchase/shipping/reservation. They only sell silencerco and dead air

ATF is lame & gay

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Press F in the chat kiwibros

Exclusive: Vista Outdoor strikes deal to sell itself in two parts for $3.4 billion - https://www.reuters.com/markets/dea...-sell-itself-two-parts-34-billion-2024-10-05/

Vista's ammo business for sold to the Fucking Czechs, and you KNOW they'll be directing a large % of production straight to Ukraine.

Why the hell do we let foreign corps buy shit like this when there is no way the Euros would let us do the same?

 

[likeacrackado]

I’m planning on putting a can on my Glock. Should I go short suppressor or long suppressor? I thought I might want a radian compensator but I’m iffy on the barrel compared to a Glock manufactured thread.

Is it possible to go down to the store today and fill out that paperwork 3 months in advance before I actually buy the NFA item? Also, is it a repeated process if I apply for something like an SBR?

I’ve heard from gun Jesus that B&T’s Impuls IIA is real good on Glocks.

1. Pistol suppressors(exception of 22lr) are somewhat overrated and detract from the advantages of pistols(compactness) along with introducing reliability problems, depending on your combination of handgun, can, booster, attachment system and recoil spring. Expect to tinker no matter what you buy.
2. The Radian Ramjet barrel isn't threaded, it's machined to fit the afterburner compensator. If you buy one you would still need to buy a separate threaded barrel for a can.
3. You have to already have an NFA item assigned to your form 4. You can't start it in advance, very similar to the regular 4473 process. You can complete finger print cards or create an electronic fingerprint file ahead of time. That will save you the bother of getting reprinted each time you file a form.
4. You complete a new application everytime you buy/create an NFA item. Buying a new registered SBR is basically the same process as buying a new suppressor. Registering a regular rifle or "pistol" as a SBR is a different form(Form 1 iirc), with a similar process(fingerprints, paying a tax stamp, etc.)
5. I have no experience with the B&T cans. If you want to try a longer and shorter can look into a suppressor with modular length like the Rugged Obsidian 9. That way you can try both lengths with one can. Most people settle on long or short and leave it.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

I’m planning on putting a can on my Glock. Should I go short suppressor or long suppressor? I thought I might want a radian compensator but I’m iffy on the barrel compared to a Glock manufactured thread.

Is it possible to go down to the store today and fill out that paperwork 3 months in advance before I actually buy the NFA item? Also, is it a repeated process if I apply for something like an SBR?

I’ve heard from gun Jesus that B&T’s Impuls IIA is real good on Glocks.

Suppressed pistols are kinda lame and not nearly as cool as you think they'd be. You go from having a light and wieldy thing to something that can't really be quick drawn, adds malfunctions, and gets hot as fuck. Basically all your training with a can is useless for real situations since it blocks so much of your view and changes draw drastically.

If you've got a K to blow then I guess go for it, but you're better off buying ammo or a can for a more worthy gat.
Long can is the move, but try to get the lightest one for it's length. No flow bullshit either.

Doubt it, I think that'd only be a credit card thing, and you probably shouldn't be buying shit you don't have money for. Imo the only cans that are actually useful are rimfire, large rifles, and SBRs. A 16 inch 5.56 with a flash hider isn't that big a deal, but a 10.5 or a .308 sure is. Once you have your other guns covered then I'd maybe consider doing wack shit, but it sounds like you can't afford it and should be doing other things.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

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Exclusive: Vista Outdoor strikes deal to sell itself in two parts for $3.4 billion - https://www.reuters.com/markets/dea...-sell-itself-two-parts-34-billion-2024-10-05/

Vista's ammo business for sold to the Fucking Czechs, and you KNOW they'll be directing a large % of production straight to Ukraine.

Why the hell do we let foreign corps buy shit like this when there is no way the Euros would let us do the same?

Something something (((free markets))))

Jokes aside the Czechs already own a pretty large portion of the US ammo market. In a few years everything is going to be owned by the Czechs and PSA.

 

[John Badman]

To be honest I just wanted an excuse to go play with the cool guns on the wall. I might just go buy a tourniquet and act like I’m a worthwhile customer so they don’t kick me out.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Suppressors and SBRs are overrated. The main appeal is the government not wanting you to have them.

I have several suppressors and a few SBRs, the only one I use anymore is my 9mm with a can because it’s still short and actually quiet. I have a .22 SBR with a can, but I don’t really use it.

I don’t even own a threaded barrel for a pistol anymore even though I have suppressors that could go on it.

Short rifles are obnoxious without a suppressor and still not hearing safe with one, and when you put a can on it becomes the same length as a full sized rifle. Rifle cans heat up very quickly, becoming a hazard, and causing mirage.

Not to mention any of the tuning required to get guns to run good suppressed, and increased gas to the face with a lot of rifle cans.

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

not exactly but i haven't had a hands on, eyes on experience with optics that work particularly well with astigmatism other than something like an EOTECH or PA prisms.

I'm not sure if you mean that you haven't tried red dots and are going off of the fact that they're finicky with astigmatism, or if you have, and do struggle with them, but if you go into most gun stores or sporting goods stores, you can ask them if you can look through an optic. The lighting in something like an Academy is very bright, so it's not a great test, but it'll at least tell you whether it's worth it to try one. They seem to play nicer with astigmatism on relatively low brightness settings, so it's worth checking, if you haven't already.

 

[Jewthulhu]

Suppressors and SBRs are overrated. The main appeal is the government not wanting you to have them.

I have several suppressors and a few SBRs, the only one I use anymore is my 9mm with a can because it’s still short and actually quiet. I have a .22 SBR with a can, but I don’t really use it.

I don’t even own a threaded barrel for a pistol anymore even though I have suppressors that could go on it.

Short rifles are obnoxious without a suppressor and still not hearing safe with one, and when you put a can on it becomes the same length as a full sized rifle. Rifle cans heat up very quickly, becoming a hazard, and causing mirage.

Not to mention any of the tuning required to get guns to run good suppressed, and increased gas to the face with a lot of rifle cans.

Suppressors, maybe. I remember getting a lot of gas in the face and not being super impressed. But SBRs are fun as hell. My brother has one and I love shooting it.

 

[big pauper]

Suppressors and SBRs are overrated. The main appeal is the government not wanting you to have them.

I have several suppressors and a few SBRs, the only one I use anymore is my 9mm with a can because it’s still short and actually quiet. I have a .22 SBR with a can, but I don’t really use it.

I don’t even own a threaded barrel for a pistol anymore even though I have suppressors that could go on it.

Short rifles are obnoxious without a suppressor and still not hearing safe with one, and when you put a can on it becomes the same length as a full sized rifle. Rifle cans heat up very quickly, becoming a hazard, and causing mirage.

Not to mention any of the tuning required to get guns to run good suppressed, and increased gas to the face with a lot of rifle cans.

sbrs are functionally done for because they couldn't get away with the brace tomfoolery and now they have to commit to allowing people to use braces, which means that you don't have to pay a tax stamp if you just buy a brace, or just put a velcro strip on the side of your rifle stock and convert it to a pistol brace. there is no legal definition for what a pistol brace is because they had to throw away the one they made, so you can pretty much just say that it's a brace and there really isn't anything they can do about it anymore

 

[AncientPhosphur]

just put a velcro strip on the side of your rifle stock and convert it to a pistol brace. there is no legal definition for what a pistol brace is because they had to throw away the one they made, so you can pretty much just say that it's a brace and there really isn't anything they can do about it anymore

Interesting theory but I do not one to be the one who put it to test in court

 

[big pauper]

Interesting theory but I do not one to be the one who put it to test in court

theory? sig saur has been doing it for years. i don't see why it even needs to be tested in court, you can just buy a sig saur branded ak-74 stock with velcro on it



e: i'm only finding the sb tactical triangle brace but i swear that sig made one, that picture right there is a sig promo shot so im pretty sure they existed. they were all over the place when i was trying to buy one like 2 years ago

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

Suppressors and SBRs are overrated. The main appeal is the government not wanting you to have them.

I have several suppressors and a few SBRs, the only one I use anymore is my 9mm with a can because it’s still short and actually quiet. I have a .22 SBR with a can, but I don’t really use it.

I don’t even own a threaded barrel for a pistol anymore even though I have suppressors that could go on it.

Short rifles are obnoxious without a suppressor and still not hearing safe with one, and when you put a can on it becomes the same length as a full sized rifle. Rifle cans heat up very quickly, becoming a hazard, and causing mirage.

Not to mention any of the tuning required to get guns to run good suppressed, and increased gas to the face with a lot of rifle cans.

Fair enough, but they're still useful in their own right. The issue with all this stuff is that people say it's more versatile and good than it is, when it should actually be used for rather uncommon tasks.

If you're doing real shit then they're quite useful, but for regular things they're not that important. If you're indoors or in dense areas with sub 300 yard ranges an SBR with a can is 100% worth the drawbacks since a rifle barrel and can would be too difficult to use, and no can indoors is terrible. If you're fighting and don't have a can you're sorta fucked. Even though your shots are still loud, they're pretty much untraceable at range due to the sonic crack of the bullet echoing before the muzzle report even reaches the target. Sound isn't the only thing either, if you're running NV or just in a dark area, you don't want a shit ton of flash. Even if you're not actually fighting but you're still out at night, you don't want to daze your acclimated night vision.

For sound stuff, it's like asking if you'd rather get hit by a truck or a bike with everything but rimfire. Sure you'll get cut up and break some bones, but it beats the hell out of being misted.
SBR with can is more useful within a set range than a rifle with can, but
It's really the maximum capability for the minimum package, since if carrying bulky shit in tight areas didn't suck then then it wouldn't even matter. Same reason you carry a pistol and not a shotgun really.
If you're just on a range then whatever, use plugs+earmuffs, but if you're hunting and don't have earpro a can is pretty sweet. A 300 win mag will fuck you up compared to one with a suppressor.

 

[Dean Pentel]

Side note love the Scalarworks fixed rear sight, I have both the front and rear fixed sights on my rifle. Nice wider and open peap sight and thinner front post for 16 inch barrels makes it easier to acquire your target.

Definitely agree with you on Scalarworks stuff. I run a lot of their stuff for optics and I'm also a big fan of their fixed sights. Not cheap but well worth their cost.

create an electronic fingerprint file ahead of time.

I fucking despise having to ask the government permission and pay a fee to exercise our natural rights but since there's no escaping that for NFA stuff, I highly recommend doing this. It is without a doubt a shit ton faster to get things processed this way, plus no having to get printed and mail those in for every single thing.

Short rifles are obnoxious without a suppressor and still not hearing safe with one, and when you put a can on it becomes the same length as a full sized rifle. Rifle cans heat up very quickly, becoming a hazard, and causing mirage.

You're not wrong about that and I can promise you suppressed SBRs are way, way better for fighting inside buildings. If that's something you want the rifle to be able to do I recommend the short barrel/can configuration. Mirage isn't an issue if your targets are within 100m. I've only had that be a problem for LR stuff personally.

Edit: Ninja'd by SHIGGY

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I’m not saying there is no use case for SBRs and cans, but if that is your use case, you are probably issued them.

I’ve done force on force CQB training, and that is not something you want to do “for real” if you can avoid it.

 

[Samhain]

Suppressed SBRs are great for home defense, though. Slap a can on 10.3"-11.5" 5.56 AR and you've got a great home defense weapon. The argument that adding a suppressor to a shorty makes it just as long as a 16" barreled AR is irrelevant. A suppressed shorty is going to be significantly quieter than an unsuppressed 16", and that's important when you're torching off rounds indoors. Would you rather set off a 140dB pop in your house, or a 167dB? Keep in mind, decibels is a logarithmic scale. 167dB is 2.7x louder than 140dB. Unsuppressed 5.56 usually meters between 167dB and 172dB depending on barrel length.

 

[BikeLock]

Fixed sights with a red dot?

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Yes.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Yes.
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Is that a LMT rear sight?

I am been trying to buy one and they still all sold out.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Shooting down an FPV, with an AK, from the back of an ATV:

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Suppressed SBRs are great for home defense, though. Slap a can on 10.3"-11.5" 5.56 AR and you've got a great home defense weapon. The argument that adding a suppressor to a shorty makes it just as long as a 16" barreled AR is irrelevant. A suppressed shorty is going to be significantly quieter than an unsuppressed 16", and that's important when you're torching off rounds indoors. Would you rather set off a 140dB pop in your house, or a 167dB? Keep in mind, decibels is a logarithmic scale. 167dB is 2.7x louder than 140dB. Unsuppressed 5.56 usually meters between 167dB and 172dB depending on barrel length.

Home defense is definitely a use case for a suppressor.

I used to keep a 11.5 with a can for that purpose, but my current living situation requires a weapon that can be used one handed so I can manage other family members.