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BikeLock said:
It really does pain me to see all of those rifles that SHOULD have made it into the CMP in the hands of our... "enemies" instead.

Long barrel bros vindicated, I guess. But then again, 5.56 was all about hot, nasty, speed, and you don't really get that when you start cutting the barrel down.
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GodDAMN IT. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME.
 
It’s so fucking over. My rifle just fell off the table and busted the forward assist while I was going out to get a multi wrench. There’s a chunk of concrete missing in the garage and I just dropped my fucking rifle :(
 
BikeLock said:
It really does pain me to see all of those rifles that SHOULD have made it into the CMP in the hands of our... "enemies" instead.

Long barrel bros vindicated, I guess. But then again, 5.56 was all about hot, nasty, speed, and you don't really get that when you start cutting the barrel down.
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As far as im aware there is nothing barring the CMP giving away complete uppers and sights etc. The army just wont give them the spares.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
The army just wont give them the spares.
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there's a lot of story behind this: functionally there isn't legislation specifically forbidding the Secretary from handing over to the CMP gear and weapons, however the 1968 GCA as regulated by the BATFE forbids the CMP from selling machineguns or machinegun parts as well as other NFA items. a further order from LBJ and later expanded by Reagan forbids the Secretary (and by extension the DLA, the Defense Logistics Agency) from de-militarizing "serviceable" controlled items (PVS, items that might fall under the NFA, et c) - this is why you will never see an M14 receiver or something, and only random parts from salvaged weapons make it in.

Clinton later further expanded the scope of the DLA to destroy items not fit for the CMP, however that was stopped by the Senate and the Director of the CMP was given that authority, at the time was Orest Michaels (since retired). Orest proceeded to continue the destruction policy of items that could not be sold via the CMP charter and remain in compliance with BATFE regulations regarding NFA items. the Secretary (Colin Powell) then stopped giving M16's and stuff to the CMP and instead offered them for direct transfer via some program from the DoD to domestic law enforcement in a lend-lease type fashion - if the receiving agency took responsibility for the care/feeding of a Bearcat or HMMV, they could have it without any costs, with the military reserving the right to re-acquire it if needed.

that's also not including US allies that are keen to buy serviceable or even brand new former US military gear for compatibility and cost reasons. the Philippines are able to purchase M4's for around $200 each for example, although they must provide the shipping and handling (they send a plane or they're delivered by boat out of San Diego). Malaysia bought a bunch of helicopters under similar arrangements, et c. for completely shot out garbage it's just destroyed, however after a trip through Capn' Crunch the scrap is allowed to be sold at weight and the DLA typically removes accessories or parts prior to destruction and separately sells that in bulk to some vendors around Ann Arbor and Ft Worth and some other places, so you can still find the modern surplus here or there, but it's much rarer now. Contract overruns are more common, and suppliers are allowed to sell ones privately that the US military doesn't take, with the very recent exception of Lake City ammunition.
 
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Club Sandwich said:
there's a lot of story behind this: functionally there isn't legislation specifically forbidding the Secretary from handing over to the CMP gear and weapons, however the 1968 GCA as regulated by the BATFE forbids the CMP from selling machineguns or machinegun parts as well as other NFA items. a further order from LBJ and later expanded by Reagan forbids the Secretary (and by extension the DLA, the Defense Logistics Agency) from de-militarizing "serviceable" controlled items (PVS, items that might fall under the NFA, et c) - this is why you will never see an M14 receiver or something, and only random parts from salvaged weapons make it in.

Clinton later further expanded the scope of the DLA to destroy items not fit for the CMP, however that was stopped by the Senate and the Director of the CMP was given that authority, at the time was Orest Michaels (since retired). Orest proceeded to continue the destruction policy of items that could not be sold via the CMP charter and remain in compliance with BATFE regulations regarding NFA items. the Secretary (Colin Powell) then stopped giving M16's and stuff to the CMP and instead offered them for direct transfer via some program from the DoD to domestic law enforcement in a lend-lease type fashion - if the receiving agency took responsibility for the care/feeding of a Bearcat or HMMV, they could have it without any costs, with the military reserving the right to re-acquire it if needed.
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the CMP at one point "lended" M14s for competition IIRC. they were not sold or technically owned by the shooter and it was a small program. IIRC this was in the 80s and 90s and they were all taken back after 9/11 for use by DOD as they were all accurized rifles.

could be fuddlore or not idk. seemed real enough.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
the CMP at one point "lended" M14s for competition IIRC. they were not sold or technically owned by the shooter and it was a small program. IIRC this was in the 80s and 90s and they were all taken back after 9/11 for use by DOD as they were all accurized rifles.

could be fuddlore or not idk. seemed real enough.
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yes and no, some went to the Navy SWC, but some become the first "DMR" rifles USMC FAST used, the Army kept some M21 and M25 rifles for this purpose but the USMC largely didn't have anything but the bolt actions or if they borrowed an SPR from the Navy. this was 1989-1991 when some were taken in by PWS for this experimentation but it was suddenly "we need all the M14s" after 2001. this is where you see the OD green fiberglass one-piece stock as a DMR rather than the later/heavier M39 rifle.
 
BikeLock said:
It really does pain me to see all of those rifles that SHOULD have made it into the CMP in the hands of our... "enemies" instead.

Long barrel bros vindicated, I guess. But then again, 5.56 was all about hot, nasty, speed, and you don't really get that when you start cutting the barrel down.
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I was watching a Paul Harrell video about the FPS on 20 inch vs 10.5 inch.

It's all about the speed lol.
 
MrJokerRager said:
I was watching a Paul Harrell video about the FPS on 20 inch vs 10.5 inch.

It's all about the speed lol.
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I know my 10.5 is not gonna do anything outside of 200 yards, and its equipped appropriately.

I could probably make hits past that, but if I hit somebody, and they found out about it, they would probably be really upset.
 
BikeLock said:
It really does pain me to see all of those rifles that SHOULD have made it into the CMP in the hands of our... "enemies" instead.

Long barrel bros vindicated, I guess. But then again, 5.56 was all about hot, nasty, speed, and you don't really get that when you start cutting the barrel down.
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ITAR violations for you, job well done for Biden and co.
Romulus augustulus said:
there is no market for it. slavshit whales don't have that much money.
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Make one chambered in 300BO or 8.6BO.
 
MrJokerRager said:
Are 20 inch ARs decent for home defense or 16 inch would probably remain the standard?
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Short answer: Use the shortest and lightest you can shoot well for storage, carrying, and maneuvering.

Long answer: If you don't already know, go for the short one. Any ballistic advantage is lost due to expanded real estate which makes slicing the pie difficult and daunting. While I would otherwise promote personal preference I would strongly recommend against it unless you've got no hallways or live in the middle of nowhere.
 
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