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Swamp_Donkey said:
HOWEVER a gun gaining sentience and shooting it's owner (even once) is so catastrophically bad for a gun manufacturer that people will use this as a reason to not buy a Sig for the next five decades easily.
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Its not just that people were shot by their own gun, its that Sig doubled and then triple downed on denying anything was happening which was just completely reprehensible and possibly criminally negligent of them.

They knew. They had to know. Its inconceivable to me that their company was incompetent at every single level required for this to not only slip into their production line but then for them to foolishly but earnestly defend their product thinking that everything was fine.
 
I wonder how the P320/M17/M18 fackaroo is going to impact the XM7 and XM250 adoption? I'm sure if they wanted they could keep the 6.8x51mm cartridge and have that bullpup that was also in the competition chambered for it. Perhaps have the FN Evolys or whatever it's called chambered for it as well. I always thought the bullpup should have won the rifle portion of the competition, but I'm also a fan of bullpups.
 
SNEED.EXE said:
Let it be known: Indians are incapable of reproducing what medieval blacksmiths had figured out by the 16th century.
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Iirc they kept using brass in their cannons into the 18th century compared to western cast iron and they painted them in garish ways for their false gods. Easier for British forces to blow up or parade these things around back in Britain than actually use them.
 
Swamp_Donkey said:
It's only this specific model of sig that's currently in the news for this problem. Only a very few handful of cases so far.

HOWEVER a gun gaining sentience and shooting it's owner (even once) is so catastrophically bad for a gun manufacturer that people will use this as a reason to not buy a Sig for the next five decades easily.
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Basically anything NU SIG is a >dont buy<
I mean Sig said this MCX was within spec and their sig cross rifles had issues where closing the bolt was enough to set off the rifle.
 
888Flux said:
I found a company that makes something so stupid it will make your head hurt.
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What is the point of this. I can't imagine at all who the market is for this when there are 1 trillion AR-style 22s and 22 plinkers for sale and 22 takedown rifles like the Henry AR-7 on the market.

Am I retarded or is this the most nonsensical shit ever?
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Why is there a proprietary, 1-fucking-round 22lr magazine? Who is this for? What does "designed for the safety of gun enthusiasts" mean? Is this the type of rifle you bring when you are going on a hunting trip with Dick Cheney?
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It’s for young kids. The safety is too hard for them to turn on their own, the one round mag means they can’t bump fire by mistake, and the gun is scaled down 20% so it’s easier for them to hold.

They just can’t say it’s for kids because then they’d be sued by anti-gun groups like what happened to the last company that made a Baby’s First AR.
 
The Dude said:
I wonder how the P320/M17/M18 fackaroo is going to impact the XM7 and XM250 adoption? I'm sure if they wanted they could keep the 6.8x51mm cartridge and have that bullpup that was also in the competition chambered for it. Perhaps have the FN Evolys or whatever it's called chambered for it as well. I always thought the bullpup should have won the rifle portion of the competition, but I'm also a fan of bullpups.
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SAR545 said:
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Basically anything NU SIG is a >dont buy<
I mean Sig said this MCX was within spec and their sig cross rifles had issues where losing the bolt was enough to set off the rifle.
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I hope they throw all the XM7s into a fucking volcano. Also hope they melt down the all tooling for the cartridge and make paperclips with it.
 
AncientPhosphur said:
Iirc they kept using brass in their cannons into the 18th century compared to western cast iron and they painted them in garish ways for their false gods. Easier for British forces to blow up or parade these things around back in Britain than actually use them.
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I thought that the main disadvantage of bronze cannons was how much more expensive the material was in comparison to the cast iron cannons that were eventually made when the material science was good enough to have a low risk of barrel explosion.
 
Polock said:
Its not just that people were shot by their own gun, its that Sig doubled and then triple downed on denying anything was happening which was just completely reprehensible and possibly criminally negligent of them.
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Not the first time that has ever happened. I recall how Remington worked really hard to cover up the dangerous design defect with the 700 series, that would cause it to discharge without pulling the trigger.
 
This video was uploaded four months ago by the way, worth rewatching just to remind yourself what asinine PR fuckery SIG was up to.
Now that their brain damage actually led to a death of a service member? Yeah can't wait to see how that's gonna end for them if they keep up their cavalry.
 
Polock said:
That is a often repeated talking point.

6. New RSA 507‑D:6 (Liability Limitation for Firearms)​

  • I. In any product‑liability action, no tort liability for firearm manufacturers/FFLs based on the absence or presenceof:
    1. Magazine disconnect mechanism
    2. Loaded chamber indicator
    3. Authorized‑user recognition technology
    4. External mechanical safety (e.g., external manual/triggertype safeties)
  • II. Does not limit liability for actual manufacturing defects or failures to meet express warranties.
  • III. Preserves any other legal defenses under RSA 507‑D or other laws.
  • IV. Contains standard severability clause.
  • V. Defines key terms like “firearm,” “magazine disconnect,” “loaded chamber indicator,” “authorized‑user recognition technology,” and “external manual safety.”

However this bill doesnt protect Sig from manufacturing defects, which is exactly what the problem with these pistols are.
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Polock said:
They knew. They had to know. Its inconceivable to me that their company was incompetent at every single level required for this to not only slip into their production line but then for them to foolishly but earnestly defend their product thinking that everything was fine.
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Gotcha. I hope they get sued into the fucking ground regardless, this shit should’ve stopped when LEOs and civvies were having issues with the P320, when PEOPLE DIED. And now the army finally realizes this isn't a one off problem with one bad series, the entirety of Sig's products past the P320 could be completely fucked. I can't wait until they have to explain why their overpressured, garbage 277 fury turns rifle barrels into pipe bombs.
The Dude said:
I wonder how the P320/M17/M18 fackaroo is going to impact the XM7 and XM250 adoption?
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The M7 is officially adopted by the army already, but that's the funny part: hardly any units have adopted them because they're fucking garbage. The 277 fury is overpressured ammo that destroys barrels in less then 2000 rounds. For context, it took roughly 300-500 rounds during the Iraq war to kill one insurgent in long distance combat. The heavy machine guns that Sig designed to replace the M250? Also garbage, because Sig, in a race to win the contract, made the barrel impossible to hot swap to keep it within the requested guidelines for the US Army. You NEED that barrel to be hot swapp-able because it's job is to lay down supression fire or turn the enemy into mulch for long periods of time. And once again, the 277 fury is garbage, so imagine putting that fucker into combat and having to swap out barrel after barrel after barrel. It's not practical AT ALL.
 
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Pizdec said:
And now the army finally realizes this isn't a one off problem with one bad series, the entirety of Sig's products past the P320 could be completely fucked. I can't wait until they have to explain why their overpressured, garbage 277 fury turns rifle barrels into pipe bombs.
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I haven’t heard of any QC issues with the M5 yet, but they’re undoubtedly going to show up as they get mass produced and shipped out to grunts. Really the main issue is that it is a solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist and a downgrade from the M4 in a lot of respects. Given how crooked Sig is I wouldn’t be surprised if this whole operation was devised to Jew the U.S. government (and by extension, the taxpayer) out of billions of dollars.
 
Taser Confetti said:
Am I reading this correctly that the USAF effective immediately is back to the M9?
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Seafarer said:
No, they’re switching to carrying the M4 carbine as a stopgap I think. Kinda weird to switch to an assault rifle for a duty previously fulfilled by pistols but I guess they’re there until they can switch to Glock or something.
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Swapping to the M4 is most likely because it's the only other widely available weapon on base. Base armories aren't very big (with a few exceptions, but it's Global Strike so there's most likely just an LRS armory, a Security Forces armory, and a CATM armory), so when the M18 was adopted, the M9 inventory was most likely shipped to Robins AFB. OSI agents were carrying the P226 when the M9 was the standard issue for everyone else, not sure if they changed their service weapon or not, but they wouldn't have enough to let everyone required to arm take theirs.
 
Seafarer said:
I haven’t heard of any QC issues with the M5 yet, but they’re undoubtedly going to show up as they get mass produced and shipped out to grunts. Really the main issue is that it is a solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist and a downgrade from the M4 in a lot of respects. Given how crooked Sig is I wouldn’t be surprised if this whole operation was devised to Jew the U.S. government (and by extension, the taxpayer) out of billions of dollars.
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I just want to know whose idea was it to strap a fucking computer of a scope onto grunts rifles, cause those are NOT going to last a week in heavy combat, I guarentee you. To quote the old addage: If you design something to be idiot proof, the world will simply create a better idiot.
 
Just revert back to the 1911, hard to argue with a grip safety. Sure it's ancient and defunct, but it has provenance!

Fuck it go really oldschool, Colt Single Action Army's for everyone!
 
The Noticer said:
I have one of these, should I be concerned my pistol is plotting to kill me?
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Because nobody knows 100% why it's going off, yes. Either Israeli-carry with an empty chamber or get something else. Everyone who got shot was carrying it just fine up until it went off.
SAR545 said:
and their sig cross rifles had issues where closing the bolt was enough to set off the rifle.
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Dead trigger that lead to touching the bolt dropping the striker, more shit parts. That on top of the barrels sucking ass for accuracy.
 
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