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I used to be embarrassed by this but I don't care anymore. 2003's Call of Duty 1 pushed me into guns as a hobby. I live in a NO FUN ALLOWED state so while I'd shot guns previously and liked them and was aware of them, I had no idea how to go about getting one, figuring it was more difficult than it was (for long guns at least, back then). I'd see K98k's on the ground in the game and would think "that rifle has some really nice lines" which led to "I wonder what it's like to actually shoot one of these" which led to "I want one, now, how do I get one". I did some research and called my LGS, which wasn't really a gun store at that point, more of a transfer place in addition to his regular work. He happily, almost gleefully told me of the process and it was off from there.

God bless you, local transfer man. RIP. You died too young.

His building is now set to be a cannabis store. If that isn't a sign of how things are changing I do not know what the fuck else there is.
 
All of my guns suck ass in the videogames they're in, so

I've gotten three guns because of video games/pop culture: SPAS-12, H&K Mark 23, and the Vector. The SPAS-12 was a huge disappointment for me and I ended up selling it for more than I paid for it. The Mark 23 has been an absolute dream and I love mine, especially with a can mounted. The Vector has been fun so far, and I'm sure I'm going to like it even more now that it is SBR'd, has an optic, and is set up for a suppressor. I'm hoping it turns out to be reliable after it's broken in so that it can be a "serious" weapon, but if it only turns out to be a fun range toy that has some reliability issues I won't be too let down since I have quite a few "serious" guns already.
 
I used to be embarrassed by this but I don't care anymore. 2003's Call of Duty 1 pushed me into guns as a hobby. I live in a NO FUN ALLOWED state so while I'd shot guns previously and liked them and was aware of them, I had no idea how to go about getting one, figuring it was more difficult than it was (for long guns at least, back then). I'd see K98k's on the ground in the game and would think "that rifle has some really nice lines" which led to "I wonder what it's like to actually shoot one of these" which led to "I want one, now, how do I get one". I did some research and called my LGS, which wasn't really a gun store at that point, more of a transfer place in addition to his regular work. He happily, almost gleefully told me of the process and it was off from there.

God bless you, local transfer man. RIP. You died too young.

His building is now set to be a cannabis store. If that isn't a sign of how things are changing I do not know what the fuck else there is.
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I've always wanted to open a gun store with 80s wood wall paneling aesthetic. Some of the first gun stores I've went to in the early 2000s had this type of interior and it feels good to be in. I don't like how sanitized modern gun stores look and feel. Everything now a days is a wash of grey and white.
 

It just baffles me that people will recommend a caliber nobody would suggest using on a 30lb coyote
You've never met someone that zips coyotes with .22lr? I thought it was relatively common.
I used to be embarrassed by this but I don't care anymore. 2003's Call of Duty 1 pushed me into guns as a hobby.
I actually wonder about what got people into firearms before Hollywood/Videogames. That seems like such an easy on ramp I'm not sure how people got sold on militaria in the past. Books? Proper 'tism?
 
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A lot of hunting, post-war surplus, and after school gun clubs. My dad said they used to shoot guns inside the gym and they took their shotguns to school when there was skeet shooting afterwards.

We used to live in a society.......
What changed?
 
I actually wonder about what got people into firearms before Hollywood/Videogames. That seems like such an easy on ramp I'm not sure how people got sold on militaria in the past. Books? Proper 'tism?

I think up until maybe the 60s (when exactly things changed greatly depends on where you lived) that question is kind of like asking almost anyone in the US "how did you get into driving cars?" You really didn't "get into it", you were born into it and surrounded by it and it was basically taken for granted that you would be driving at some point. Like with a car, having a gun of some kind was really a necessity for so many people, certainly in rural or rural-ish areas, to own and know how to use a gun, to feed themselves and to defend themselves.

As far as collecting goes and just owning a gun because they're nifty and fun, just a guess without thinking too much, probably post WW2 is when that began to take hold in a noticeable way. Post war surplus etc as Polock noted.
 
What changed?
If I was allowed to indulge in speculation as a retard on the Internet, lets see...
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I think one major factor was the feminization of parental philosophy from yuppie Boomer flower children raised in the 60's and 70's. Feminization not in the sense of the political movement, but as a shift away from masculine parenting.
Growing up I remember playing with kids who were completely banned from using toy weapons or even play-pretend shooting, which was ridiculous. Even as a young child I knew the difference between reality and imagination, but I was also raised to respect firearms so idk.
We saw the new phenomenon of helicopter parenting because of this I think. Gen-X got a little taste, Millennials got completely brain fucked this way, Gen-Z is experiencing generational trauma now, and Gen Alpha idk, too early to tell but they may be able to break the cycle if they're able to break the shackle that is their touchscreen device.

There's the ongoing urbanization of the nation, with all that's implicated with that.
The crime wave of the 80's and the War on Crime probably helped.
The continual, literal Communist aspirations of Hollywood contribute too.

This is all generally speaking of course, we're talking about 50th percentile apex normie here.

There is definitely a major generational gap in gun culture, you can see it when you go to lower tier or more casual competitive events - there's a disproportionate amount of older Boomers, exclusively the ex-military type. Some Gen-X, few Millennials, few youths (but more than you'd expect). The age curve doesn't really reflect the population at large.
 
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IMHO only realistic lethal use of a .22LR is to pop the commie in the back of the head with a mouse-fart suppressor, crowd control in certain countries and specific extremely crowded areas back in the day such as airplanes when they didn't have frangible ammo. I could see the value in FA drilling an active threat with 30 rounds of .22LR in high risk environment packed with civilians.
I’ve also heard about using a suppressed .22 rifle to kill sentry dogs and I think the Russians had a weapon like that. Seems pretty niche since I don’t think sentry dogs are anywhere near as prevalent in real life as they are in movies and video games.
 
I've gotten three guns because of video games/pop culture: SPAS-12, H&K Mark 23, and the Vector. The SPAS-12 was a huge disappointment for me and I ended up selling it for more than I paid for it. The Mark 23 has been an absolute dream and I love mine, especially with a can mounted. The Vector has been fun so far, and I'm sure I'm going to like it even more now that it is SBR'd, has an optic, and is set up for a suppressor. I'm hoping it turns out to be reliable after it's broken in so that it can be a "serious" weapon, but if it only turns out to be a fun range toy that has some reliability issues I won't be too let down since I have quite a few "serious" guns already.

lol, I feel you. I recall first handling a Spas 12....

Wait a minute, this thing ways a fucking ton for that extra 9th shell and is really ammo finicky, a hook for one arm shotgun firing? WTF that's stupid. Why did I consider buying one of these? Oh yeah...

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If you didn't love Muldoon, fuck you. He was a badass till the end.



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I think I win the award for gayest media inspired firearm acquisition of all time award. I HATE Anime yet always loved Cowboy Bebop, seems like the only good thing Anime every produced. I See Vincent Valaju carry that Long Slide SV and this little voice inside my head said "You need this, get this. Get this NOW". It was that same feeling you get seeing the 8/10 at the bar sitting by herself during last call for drinks. I was living in one of the lamest cities in one of the lamest states in the country, SV had a 6-12 month wait, the going rate was around 5,000$ which I did not have at the time. Years later,...There were legal ways to obtain one, loopholes I'd end up paying about 25% ontop of that 5k. I finally said fuck this I'm building one. Back in the day there was a company called Limited 10 out of California, IDK if they even sell unfinished frames at this point. They guy running the company was such an A+ gentleman I asked for a 1" extra piece of dust cover to weld for a full 6" slab slide and he hooked it up no charge. Fucking awesome guy.

I ended up learning 2011 building from scratch my machinist background helped but this was NOT like milling the pocket of a AR FCG in one afternoon. I Ordered a 10mm sloppy barrel that was surprisingly cheap, just dropped in and spring kit to tune for appropriate cycling. The real heart was a .40 Kart brand barrel I hand fitted locked up so tight It had a break-in period. After welding the extra 1" dust cover, trimming it to length and fitting the premo target barrel (and the other 101 things you need to hand fit for a 1911/2011 ) she got bead blasted by a local guy and I followed by a nice coat of HK black firearms high grade epoxy finish, the shit that costs $45 a can and you have ONE day to use it, no touch ups the next day 🙄 because its a two part mix that uses a catalyst.... Anyway shoots the dick off a fly at 10 yard with the Kart hand fit barrel. I think my smug moment was I was getting it milled/tapped for an RMR and instead of doing it myself just took it too a Gunsmith who actually owned a CNC mill. I open the Box "Whoa... nice STI you got there" I smile like a smug faggot, "well.... she's actually hand built despite what the grips say:" I love going to the outdoor ranges, I wait for majority to take a reload moment and then I run 10-15 rounds of "BANG-PING, BANG-PING, BANG-PING..." they hear the 160 grains slamming the plate just a little louder than 9mm they are mostly driving into the dirt and look over.

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@Seafarer, I love dogs. Makes me sad this is common practice. Many countries and conflicts they used a suppressed 10/22 entering an area to kill the dogs on sentry. The film "Waltz with Bashir" 2004, depicts a man who has terrible nightmares and guilt of killing the dogs that would have alerted the small town they were approaching.
 

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It's a schmexy vintage design, but I recall some part of the frame / slide bolt was prone to cracking over time? 🤔

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Of course, it was explained in a Forgotten Weapons episode. Unlike on a say, Ruger Mk, the bolt ears are unsupported in the middle and can break off if squeezed repeatedly.

 
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I actually wonder about what got people into firearms before Hollywood/Videogames. That seems like such an easy on ramp I'm not sure how people got sold on militaria in the past. Books? Proper 'tism?

Fathers taking their sons shooting and hunting. That's what it was for me, anyways. My dad started taking me shooting when I was about five or six, I had a natural gift for it, and be came hooked instantly. It became a lifelong passion/obsession for me, and it was one of the few things my dad and I had in common to bond over, along with movies. Dad was the one who got me into films as well.

However, up until about 20 years ago hunting and target shooting "Fudd guns" were the main focus on the hobby. Tactical and self defense guns were still kind of taboo. I think films and especially video games really helped to foster the shift towards modern self defense weapons that we currently have today. That, and a lot of young men joining the military, going off to fight GWoT in Iraq and Afghanistan, coming home, and wanting to own weapons similar to those they were issued in the military.
 
I can't go too hard on that guy. A year ago I too would have mentioned a P320 as a viable option to someone new to guns. Safety issues aside, they are decent shooting guns.

I am however annoyed at you guys making fun of the Keltec CCW advice. Zimzam didn't use no stinkin' Glock.

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He got lucky that he only needed it to fire once, because that's all he got out of it before it jammed, as is their nature.

Chicago Gun stores are wild.
 
I too buy vidya game guns, I think COD4 and MW2 gave me the guntism more than any other game. I also blame NERF for releasing the Vulcan and giving me beltfedtism. I bought a Barrett M95 because of Bad Company 2. Even though the newer COD games are fucked up I hope some zoomers get that interest, though we will probably see shit like this IRL....
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I too buy vidya game guns, I think COD4 and MW2 gave me the guntism more than any other game. I also blame NERF for releasing the Vulcan and giving me beltfedtism. I bought a Barrett M95 because of Bad Company 2. Even though the newer COD games are fucked up I hope some zoomers get that interest, though we will probably see shit like this IRL....
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Is that a fucking eggplant charm on that AR pistol? Nobody likes eggplant!
 
However, up until about 20 years ago hunting and target shooting "Fudd guns" were the main focus on the hobby. Tactical and self defense guns were still kind of taboo. I think films and especially video games really helped to foster the shift towards modern self defense weapons that we currently have today. That, and a lot of young men joining the military, going off to fight GWoT in Iraq and Afghanistan, coming home, and wanting to own weapons similar to those they were issued in the military.
Travis Haley + Magpul DVDs, GWOT, and above all else the end of the AWB.
 
The film "Waltz with Bashir" 2004, depicts a man who has terrible nightmares and guilt of killing the dogs that would have alerted the small town they were approaching.
I couldn't deal with that part of the Chernobyl miniseries.

Nice gun btw, very nice.

Even though the newer COD games are fucked up I hope some zoomers get that interest

I hope the interest comes with some tism because they'll need it in order to survive.
 
Possibly because of malicious Sigger influence, Air Force Global Strike Command has returned their M18's to service. Their investigation found that "The most frequent issues centered on problems wit the safety lever, striker assembly and sear" 191 weapons out of 9,970 (2.39%) had said discrepancies
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@AnOminous
I summon ye once more

Big drama in the metal tubes with washers industry

Some of you may be aware of PTR Firearms, A brand historically known for their HK clone offerings who more recently made a big splash in the Suppressor industry with their Vent Series Suppressors (which includes the Vent-1,2,3 and Spiritus-I) which performed very well in many metrics and were considered by many to be among the top brands and models in the entire industry.

Well they appear to have decided to at least for the moment wage Patent Law Jihad against LITERALLY EVERYONE.

Here is a letter sent by PTR/Their parent company Centre Firearms to Andrew of Otter Creek Labs (another brand with a cult like following in the suppressor industry) relating to OCL's sale of a model of suppressor known as the Infinity-30. PTR alleges that the Infinity infringes on a patent(s) held by PTR
This letter was initially published by Andrew of OCL on his Instagram
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The letter references three patents

Here is the big reddit thread which was started by the first guy to rip the letter from OCL's Instagram and post it to reddit for updoots.
In it Andrew of OCL says that they're not the first company in the industry to receive an identical letter. The letter also talks about a nonexistent NDA OCL never agreed to.

Many people in the reddit thread seem to have come to the incorrect conclusion that PTR is claiming to have an exclusive patent for 3D printing suppressors. Some smarter redditors look to have come to the conclusion that PTR patented a particular style of suppressor construction (that is finished characteristic and not manufacturing method) that looks to be impossible to achieve without the use of 3D printing (and even then maybe not depending on the language in one of the patents about never having been separate parts and micron sized pieces of metal powder and the actual process of laser sintering, I'm not an expert but it kind of sounds like to me that PTR patented a literal magic way of manufacturing things)

So @AnOminous this is what I have to ask
1. What's your reading and claims of the situation
2. How wrong is my interpretation of what PTR's patent alleges
3. Is it even possible to patent something impossible like, for example, unachievable manufacturing processes and thus is PTR's patent even valid?
 
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So @AnOminous this is what I have to ask
1. What's your reading and claims of the situation
2. How wrong is my interpretation of what PTR's patent alleges
3. Is it even possible to patent something impossible like, for example, unachievable manufacturing processes and thus is PTR's patent even valid?
I hate to have just no opinion on it, but it would literally take hours of research for me even to have a sloppy opinion on it, and as long as a week or two to have an actually informed opinion.

Just as a total retard opinion, with no representation of any expertise whatsoever on this subject, it LOOKS like typical patent troll behavior. Both suppressors and 3D printing are established technologies, so-called "prior art." It APPEARS to me, on a very superficial reading, that they are somehow claiming that 3D printing to fabricate a suppressor is, itself, somehow patentable. I find this dubious at best.

I am not expert enough (or at all for that matter) to have much of an opinion on the actual patents themselves. So I'm not going to say your reading is right or wrong because I simply don't know.

The one thing I'm interested in is does this "Centre Firearms" thing even produce anything? Non-practicing entities, i.e. patent owners that don't actually product anything but constantly sue those who do, are your usual patent trolls. A Google search says they claim to produce "products and services" but lots of patent trolls claim that too.
 
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I've always wanted to open a gun store with 80s wood wall paneling aesthetic. Some of the first gun stores I've went to in the early 2000s had this type of interior and it feels good to be in. I don't like how sanitized modern gun stores look and feel. Everything now a days is a wash of grey and white.
That's how my old gun store was, even older than that tbh. The owner retired recently after his son who was supposed to take it over died unexpectedly, but it was a wood building with cedar log posts holding up the roof on the front porch that you had to climb on to get inside. Front door hand-made out of rough cut 2" thick boards, one of those wooden indians propped up beside the door, cardboard boxes full of heavily pilfered milsurp junk right there by the front door when you walked in. The one I go to most often now is in an old small church of all things, right by the community center where I go to vote
 
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