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WTF finding guns? even kel tec is still cool.
Without PLing too hard, my dad was a goldsmith who ran jewelry shops in the years I imagine he would have purchased this gun and used the filing cabinet we found it in.
He doesn’t give a shit about guns, so knowing him he bought it, stuck it in the filing cabinet, and just forgot it existed. Wasn’t even loaded.
Anyways, I like the barrel length on the 590, and when I shot my friend’s gun I liked how it felt to hold and operate. Can’t wait for a good weekend to go to the range.
 
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Lastly I have austim and you buillied me saying clip :P jk it's mag say mag we're all gun nerds.
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I've got one in .357 Magnum - one of the newer ones after Ruger purchased them and the quality control increased. It's quite a nice rifle. What's your use purpose?
Basically what Clubby said down below.
yes, I use a Marlin guide gun in stainless 20" with a short rail section for a trijicon SRO (1st gen, pretty beat up but work well for intended purpose). it'll take moose and black even brown bear if you do your part, it's lightweight enough for backpacking and has heft and a recoil pad for some heavy 300gr JSP went up around shasta and the cascades. i did eventually get a .45-70 for better terminal performance on bear, but a .44 is sure handy when you have a revolver in the same cartridge and it's real easy to reload if you're mindful of your brass. can't recommend it enough as a solid backpack gun.
I'd be lying if I said a lever action in .45-70 wasn't darn appealing to me. The .44 is the bigger draw because I have revolvers in that caliber and I reload for that round already. We all know if I succumb to the retail pressure I'll get an 1894 and an 1895 SBL.
 
Basically what Clubby said down below.

I'd be lying if I said a lever action in .45-70 wasn't darn appealing to me. The .44 is the bigger draw because I have revolvers in that caliber and I reload for that round already. We all know if I succumb to the retail pressure I'll get an 1894 and an 1895 SBL.

If you already own a .44 I strongly recommend biting the bullet. It'll handle 90% of your use cases unless you're planning on an Alaska trip. What 44 revolvers do you own?
 
Erverlerd Jersh made a new overlay for MATI. For every 50 cents in donations, it rains down one round of 5.56.
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May not be the exact thread for this but can anybody recommend a good crossbody EDC bag?

Price isnt really an issue, just want something decent thats not amazon crap and won't fall apart after a few days. Nothing huge but nothing so tiny I couldn't just functionally replace it with the fanny pack I already have.
I want to be able to fit my glock, extra mag, and a small flashlight but also have room for an iPad mini and a sketchbook and maybe like a power bank and a few pens without the thing bulging like hell.
A velcro liner would be nice too.

I'm going on a trip in a few months and would like a bag small enough to count as a personal bag that I can just use as my tourist purse (with a surprise) once out of the airport.

There's just so many suppliers nowadays I can't keep up with who is good at what.
 
ah, SGAmmo, the premier fear monger in the industry. He single handedly started that panic over Biden ceasing Lake city civilian sales. as far as any one could tell he just made it up to boost his own sales. I blocked his newsletter. every week it was doom and gloom that rarely materialized.
Speak of the devil:

I’m Stocking Up On Ammo & Why You Might Want To Also... Sam's Opinion​

Please note first that the following is my ‘opinion’ on the recent times and those ahead, focused to the commercial/consumer ammo market in specific, and is not meant to be absolute in certainty, or follow an exact timeline. My comments on tariffs meant to be cause/effect related and not a political criticism or compliment, nor do I intend to pressure anyone to make a purchase they do not feel good about. This is simply my point of view from observations, coming form a man with 24+ years in the ammo business, noting the cycles as the come and went, and what I see as true recently and likely true in the future. This information is meant to be addressed to people that have unmet needs for ammo, a pending desire to purchase ammo and money to spare, and offer the best advice I can. I follow the same advice I give in such opinions I put in the newsletter, based on logic and observation and how that drives the industry, and have been stockpiling what I can afford and fit into storage comfortably. One thing I know is that it can take much longer than estimated to see the ’cause’ to lead to the ‘effect’ in the commercial ammo market, so how long it takes for a prediction to be proved true or false can be months, even several years in some cases, things can happen quickly or slowly, and when things change slowly other factors can come into play.

I believe deeply that it would be wise for consumers with spare cash to spend in their budget and unfilled needs for ammo to stock up on a few of your favorite calibers of ammunition by the case, or even just a few extra boxes of this and that while the summer slow season still holds strong gravity on market pricing. I am aware of several of the most significant manufacturers of ammo talking about price increases in October, and if they do, then others will follow their lead, but time will tell if they can force that onto the market given recent demand. Deals will still get made, but overall I see the desire and necessity of the factories to broadly increase prices on many low margin products. This was a summer of the lowest consumer demand for ammo since the big bust of 2017–2019. Low consumer demand forced manufacturing to hold at very low prices, and do layoffs of factory workers and management personnel that will be hard to replace when demand goes up someday and they are needed again, creating a supply chain issue that may present itself at some point if demand increases to more normal middle of the range levels. We saw many factories make special deals and sacrifices this summer, as well as other things to try to keep the product flowing and their businesses running, while absorbing big upward changes on input costs of materials like copper and imported raw materials and components. On the retail level, at my store we have not done any layoffs, but as people left for other reasons, they were not replaced. Should a hard rush hit with increased demand caused by various theoretical events, it will be much harder for both the factories and retailers like us to scale and staff up quickly to fill those needs. The past few weeks we have seen a brief spike in demand and a small but substantial rebound in the demand level, holding 20% to 35% above where it was this past 4 months after the surge. I also see copper prices and tariffs begin to show their effect on the supply chain and costs to replace dwindling inventories of stockpiled supplies. It will be hard not to pass on those costs due to the nature of this industry where profit margins were already deeply depressed the past few years, even if the demand is not there. From my point of view, I see the factories engaged in a “game of chicken,” where they hold down prices until the other major players give in, then from there they start to follow the leader. As the end of the month approaches, we were offered very few deals to make quarterly numbers even though I am sure the factories are all short on expectations, and I assume they are ‘giving up’ and excepting that sales/profit numbers will not be met. Personally, I have bet on the value in having inventory that may see an increase in value as prices rise and that difference can be either leveraged as a more competitive price or addition margin, most likely some of both. I have been have been stockpiling what I can afford and store or warehouse comfortably when the deal is right and the products are top quality and great values. My recommendation to my clients who don’t need the money for something else and know they need some ammo is that they do the same thing.

Thank you, Sam Gabbert, SGAmmo Owner

This is after a straight week of talking about reducing inventory with deals on 9mm, 5.56, and other common calibers. I don't know why you would reduce inventory during a low period when you believe price increases are coming soon (I do, but devil's advocate). Or why you would want to get rid of cheaper ammo like Magtech, when Brazil is eating a 50% import tariff. It would make more sense to retain current inventory, instead of reducing prices, retain current prices and capture a larger share of the market via "discounted" ammo once everyone else's price hikes occur. His "insider expertise and decades of experience" is just salesman's bullshit.

Sidenote: Does anyone else hate the "Trump slump" notion I keep seeing. There is no "Trump slump". This "the democrats are in power! they gonna take the guns! Buy every PSA ar and every box of 55 grain fmj you can find!" panic buying isn't sustainable. People who buy guns, and gun people are not the same. Companies having to down size is their own damn fault. Like the rest of corporate America, they chased short term profits at the cost of long term stability. What you sow, so shall you reap.
 
This is after a straight week of talking about reducing inventory with deals on 9mm, 5.56, and other common calibers. I don't know why you would reduce inventory during a low period when you believe price increases are coming soon (I do, but devil's advocate). Or why you would want to get rid of cheaper ammo like Magtech, when Brazil is eating a 50% import tariff. It would make more sense to retain current inventory, instead of reducing prices, retain current prices and capture a larger share of the market via "discounted" ammo once everyone else's price hikes occur. His "insider expertise and decades of experience" is just salesman's bullshit.
Can confirm that price increases are coming. They are a direct product of input costs. Bismuth and TSS will be the hardest hit as 90% of it comes from China.

If you want insight listen in to the quarterly earnings call for the Olin Corporation. They are the parent company of Winchester Ammo and the last major publicly traded ammo company. I have found it to be a good barometer the major players in the ammo game. They are reporting that military and LEO sales are keeping them going as this slump continues.
 
Anyone here run a lever action .44 mag rifle? I was considering picking up a Marlin 1894 after I get my next precision rifle built. Anyone that's had a good amount of time behind a centerfire lever action rifle I'm interested to hear the thoughts of.
I picked up a Henry X-Model in .44 a few years ago after I got tired of waiting for Ruger to start the 1894 back up. I already had several .44 handguns and was reloading for it so the rifle seemed like the next step. Currently set up with a silencer and a cheap red dot and I’ve been pretty happy with it so far - just can’t decide if I want to upgrade the red dot or pick up a compact low power scope. Accuracy is OK - I need to get back to working up loads for it and see if it prefers 240 or 300 grain. Recoil was surprisingly more than I was expecting but still very manageable and, in my perception, less than the .30-30.
 
I used to have a Winchester 94AE in .44 Mag with a trapper length barrel and the large John Wayne style lever loop. It was so much fucking fun. It was part of my old collection and it's one of the guns I regret selling the most. I'd do almost anything to get it, my Winchester 94 in .30-30 WCF, my vintage S&W N Frames, and my old Colt New Service in .38-40 WCF back. I used to love practicing flip cocking my old 94, after making sure it was clear of course.

My tax stamp for my Surefire Ryder 22-S got approved this morning and I picked it up. It makes for a super light package on the family Buckmark, but I do plan on getting a primary host for it. Either a Ruger Mark IV Tactical, Charger Takedown, or Franklin Armory F22 pistol.

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Charger Takedown
This is hands down my favorite gun I own. Everyone who shoots it just has a fit. I've got it with an sb tactical FS1913A brace on it that I picked up for $40 at a local pawn shop

I threw a slingshot bolt release and a nylon buffer pin into it. The buffer pin really quieted the action down, it was pretty clacky with the factory steel one in and I haven't personally had it affect cycling or anything, it still runs CCI subs and suppressors with no issues

For whatever it's worth I have the 10" barrel version, I'd recommend the 8" version unless you just absolutely want the 10" version (10" is the bull barrel version). I bought this handguard for it and I can only really use 5:, 6:, and 7:00 points on the mlok because the bull barrel doesn't have enough clearance. I used a 45* offset at 5:00 to get a light on the side but I would have rather been able to mount directly to the side mlok, and putting the optic on the barrel portion rather than the receiver seems like a good idea but I can't do it with mine. Seems to hold zero well enough for me but I'm just plinking, not hunting/shooting paper
 
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This is hands down my favorite gun I own. Everyone who shoots it just has a fit. I've got it with an sb tactical FS1913A brace on it that I picked up for $40 at a local pawn shop

I threw a slingshot bolt release and a nylon buffer pin into it. The buffer pin really quieted the action down, it was pretty clacky with the factory steel one in and I haven't personally had it affect cycling or anything, it still runs CCI subs and suppressors with no issues

The Franklin F22 Pistol is basically a 10/22/Charger clone with a binary trigger pack. But it's not a takedown, which I kinda want if I get a Charger. I can always buy the binary trigger pack later on. The F22 also comes with the SB Tactical stock and a folding brace. Since we already have the Buckmark I may go with the Charger. Plus it would be a fun project getting it all decked out.
 
That franklin binary looks so stupidly fun

Takedown is totally worth it in the case of the Charger, it breaks down into basically nothing. Size-wise you can stuff it just about anywhere, it fits in my bike's saddlebag with a 15 round mag installed with room to spare. It is a bit on the heavy side for what it is though, I think mine clocks in at around 10lbs with a dot and light/laser combo. The 8" version should be a bit lighter with its tapered barrel vs the bull on the 10"
 
If a "domestic" ammo company doesn't go out of business from this I will be disappointed.
Oh a majority of ammo sold in the US is manufactured in the US. The problem is the raw materials are coming from China. China has 90% of the worlds production of bismuth and 70% of the worlds production of tungsten. Number 2 for tungsten production is Russia. The remaining production is being snapped up for use for national defense and manufacturing.

As to some of them going bankrupt it’s already started. Ammo Inc sold its ammo manufacturing facility to Winchester last year. Barnes got sold to the private equity firm that owns Sierra. Vista sold Federal, Remington, Speer and HeviShot to the Czechs who already owned Fiocci. Sig is having problems with its ammo division.

My winners in the ammo sector for the next 5 years are Winchester and Hornady. Winchester has Lake city till 2028 and is riding the wave of rearmament. Hornady is privately owned by Steve Hornady and not beholden to investors.

Sig may have shit QC but they have proved that bimetallic cases can be viable. Winchester has access to that tech due to the new government manufacturing facility being built at Lake City for the NGSW round.

I think the future is plastic cases with a metal base for obduration. The Airforce is already implementing it for aircraft mounted weapons including .50 cal and it’s only a matter of time before it trickles down to small arms. It’s too bad that True Velocity couldn’t figure out mass manufacturing.
 
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Wicked Arms posted an update (A) about their RPTR RATL-R on Sunday. They have finished the design and are about to start testing the final product before they start cranking them out. Assuming nothing goes wrong it sounds like an actual Soon ™️ moment has happened.
 
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