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The Dude said:
Decided to get a family photo of all my .22s. Not pictured are my wife's .22, or my oldest son's.
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Nice Stoeger Luger, I love mine.

I have a cool pickup to share with you fellas, I went to a local gunstore for some reloading equipment (I keep finding out I need more shit and that not everything is cross-compatible) and saw this screaming at me in the case. It was in a oldschool Safari-land holster, I knew off the bat it wasn't in original condition because of the grips. I asked to see it and I saw that it was re-blued, but I got excited when I saw the faint eagle and that the price was only $500. Of course I buy it, get home and start looking up what the proof marks and BYF mean. I got a real hard on when I saw it was made by Mauser. I now have a pistol to match my 1944 K98 and bayonet, while its not 100% original and the slide/frame do not match I don't care. Before I bought it I asked how he got it and apparently it was some boomers carry gun and the wife was selling a few of his things.

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TLDR browse your local FFL for boomer carry nazi guns
 
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CEO of Posting said:
Or maybe I'm just a deluded fudfag.
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Everything I've heard from police officers and military types who shoot people for a living say that when you're shooting pistol rounds at people you either want to
  1. Hit them in the brain stem
  2. Put lots and lots of holes in them so they bleed out fast
You can hit someone in the aorta with a .22 and they can be fighting you even though they are, for all intents and purposes, already dead.

The case study that is often repeated is the 1986 FBI Miami shootout. Michael Platt was shot 12 times but was able to kill 2 and wound 5 FBI agents before he succumbed to his injuries. At the final stage of the shootout, Michael was hit in the lung and thigh but was able to fight until being shot again in the spine something like 4 minutes later.

He wasn't on any drugs, he just kept fighting. The FBI were armed with mix of stuff, 2x12ga shotguns, 3x9mm semi autos, 2x.357 revolvers, and 5x.38sp revolvers (plus 2 backup .38sp revolvers that were used).

The initial wounds to Michael were caused by one of the 9mm semiautos, the lung shot almost hit his heart so maybe if it was a 357 it would have made a difference and ended the fight sooner. Ultimately the criminals were killed with a 357 revolver (both from spinal injuries).
 
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Kromeleon said:
What would be a good .22 lever action sized for a 10-year old?
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I don't know if they're still being made, but Mossberg use to offer a lever action .22 "tactical" rifle with an M4 style stock that's fully adjustable for length of pull. I got one for my oldest son. They're ugly as sin, but it allows for the rifle to grow with the child, and once they are old enough to start using a full-size rifle you can look into getting them something nicer, like a Browning BL-22. My son's has been reliable with no issues so far, and it's decently accurate for .22 distances.
 
Polock said:
The FBI were all using .357 revolvers iirc so use that information as you will.
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four used 9mm S&W automatics (although two lost theirs), one used a personally owned, but supervisor authorized .357 magnum loaded with actual .357 S&W Magnum rounds. the others used various .357 magnum revolvers loaded with the typical (at the time) .38 Special +P "FBI Load" of 158gr LSWCHP, which was intended to hit 1000 fps from a 4" revolver. there were many makers and slight variations available (the Chicago version used WC for example, while the NYC version was among the first to use nylon cladding to reduce lead fouling).

the standard issue pistol at the time was a .357 S&W model 13 loaded with .38 +P, but automatics were coming into common use with the S&W 459 and later, famously, the 1076 (based on the 1006) which was soon replaced as well.

edit: corrected FBI adopted pistol to the 1076.
 
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Polock said:
The lung shot that was the "inevitably fatal" wound was a 357 round.
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iirc that was after injuring the crime duo with a 12 gauge shotgun, and using the close range to use his sidearm a .357 Magnum loaded with the .38 special +P FBI load.

you can read the report on it (https://vault.fbi.gov/FBI Miami Shooting 4-11-86 /Miami Shooting 4-11-86 Part 01/view). page 66 has a breakdown of the armaments involved, and the silvertip .357 was McNeill, not Mireles.

"Mireles then drew his .357 Magnum revolver, got to his feet, moved laterally about 15 feet parallel with the street, clear of McNeill’s car, and then began walking directly towards Platt and Matix, who were sitting in Grogan/Dove’s car. Mireles fired six rounds of .38 Special +P from his revolver. Mireles revolver shots 1 and 2 were fired at Platt, shots 3, 4 and 5 at Matix, and shot 6 at Platt. Five of the six bullets hit Platt or Matix."

edited to include FBI AAR.
 
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Club Sandwich said:
iirc that was after injuring the crime duo with a 12 gauge shotgun
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Yes there was some shooting done before the whole shootout around the car, but the lung shot is what has been repeatedly brought up when I was being lectured to about the different levels of lethality and why it matters.
 
Polock said:
Yes there was some shooting done before the whole shootout around the car, but the lung shot is what has been repeatedly brought up when I was being lectured to about the different levels of lethality and why it matters.
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the lung shot was at very close range, "about a car length". i strongly do not think the 1986 Miami FBI shootout is a good example to promote the .357 over any other reasonable loading, considering it wasn't a .357 S&W cartridge used to deal the killing blow, much less from across the parking lot.
 
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Club Sandwich said:
i strongly do not think the 1986 Miami FBI shootout is a good example to promote the .357 over any other reasonable loading.
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Sorry that wasn't the point I was making (I may have gotten too deep into the weeds reading about the shooting again and had forgotten why I had brought it up in the first place).

The point was about poking a lot of holes into someone so they die faster. The lung shot was a lethal shot but he kept fighting despite that.
 
Club Sandwich said:
the 1006 which was soon replaced as well.
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If you're referring to the FBI, it was the 1076 that they adopted. It was actually designed for them and S&W even brought in Novak to help out. Basically a factory made custom gun. I used to have a formerly FBI issued 1076, and really wish I still owned it. The one I had was CLEAN and a helluva nice shooter, even with hotter 10mm loads.
 
The Dude said:
If you're referring to the FBI, it was the 1076 that they adopted. It was actually designed for them and S&W even brought in Novak to help out. Basically a factory made custom gun. I used to have a formerly FBI issued 1076, and really wish I still owned it. The one I had was CLEAN and a helluva nice shooter, even with hotter 10mm loads.
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iirc, the 1006 was the first to be developed (which is where i got mixed up a bit), in late 1989 as prototypes, before the shootout in april 1990, which prompted a review and adoption of the 1076 model, however the contract was cancelled the same year due to issues with the decocker. while 1076 was the FBI pistol, the 1006 pre-dates it in terms of actual invention.
 
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