Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Foley]

Ian strongly criticizes the XM7 rifle in today's video and even replied to my snark comment from the YT shitpost account

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I may be misremembering but I don't remember any negativity at all. The 3d-printed suppressor was especially-hyped IIRC.

Today's vid cued to the XM7 beat-down:

Now it's "a low capacity, overpowered, fragile rifle that can't be effectively manufactured yet." Poor Sig.

This was always the case. Way too many guntubers are looking at that gun from the perspective of how it is as a gun, and not thinking about in how it works in practice with the infantryman. It could be 100% reliable, sub MOA gun with great shooting characteristics. It would still be a giant piece of shit to issue for a rifleman, when it weights double that of a 5.56 rifle, and you cut the combat load of ammunition to half, with not really added benefit.

Bloke on the Range used a perfect term to describe the M7, it's just turning misses to more expensive misses. 99.999% of the shots fired in combat don't hit the enemy. For suppressive fire, 5.56 works just as well and you can carry twice as much of it.

 

[big pauper]

The oldtimers argument was that a "house howitzer" gives a nervous novice 2x the chance of hitting in a panic situation where the first shot may well determine if you live long enough to reload in the first place and that anyone under 30 is largely incapable of using anything more complicated than a can opener without at least watching a Youtube video.

He's not entirely wrong in either statement but it just seems a bit too cut-and-dried.

i don't know if it's the lead gasoline but this is like the fucking nugget at the core of why the baby boomers are so insane. You are not more likely to hit with a gun that only has two shots. this isn't even cute fuddlore this is just flat out telling people to hedge their bets on an inedequate defense with no connection to material reality so they can pretend that real life is like Quigley Down Under or some shit

 

[Blasterisk]

Is a double-barrel 10-gauge any superior to a 12-gauge pump as a rock-bottom-simple "the wolf is at the door" weapon for the minimally trained?

An old timer is swearing so but I'm trying to give advice to a bunch of 'normie' people prepping for the EBT shutdown because I know a little and they know nothing.

In general, the fact that most militaries do not issue 2 round magazines would seem to suggest that having less ammo doesn't make you aim more better.

AR-15s are also shorter, lighter, and not harder to use than pump shotguns.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Is a double-barrel 10-gauge any superior to a 12-gauge pump as a rock-bottom-simple "the wolf is at the door" weapon for the minimally trained?

An old timer is swearing so but I'm trying to give advice to a bunch of 'normie' people prepping for the EBT shutdown because I know a little and they know nothing.

A double-barrel of any kind is typically more intimidating to the one holding it than the one it's pointed at. A "wolf is at the door" gun is something that's more comfortable for someone who has never fired a gun yet can still hit something with it after the first shot. On top of the fear of recoil, shotguns are a terrible suggestion because people will buy the budget pack of target loads off the shelf first-thing without thinking because ammo is ammo.
A 9x19 carbine like the Ruger PCC or Kel-Tec Sub2000 with any sort of red dot is so much better if they don't want to jump for a budget AR-15.

In general, the fact that most militaries do not issue 2 round magazines would seem to suggest that having less ammo doesn't make you aim more better.

It's not even the theory of "aim more better" but the blind leading the blind. A lack of experience leads to bad advice.

 

[Internet-Based Lobotomy]

The oldtimers argument was that a "house howitzer" gives a nervous novice 2x the chance of hitting in a panic situation

Has he ever shot a 10 gauge into a piece of paper at "inside my house" ranges? He does know that thing isn't going to spread like a claymore right? Instead of being 2x more likely to hit as a "nervous novice" you get a gun with decent recoil and a single follow up shot to save your skin. Does he know the scenario the normies are prepping for is a literal EBT nigger riot with more than likely multiple assailants?

anyone under 30 is largely incapable of using anything more complicated than a can opener without at least watching a Youtube video.

My brain is starting to hurt... He thinks for the untrained and uninitiated it's going to be easier to hit a target at ranges with fist sized spread at best. Just for fun I looked up the spread pattern from a Mossberg Shockwave (that ugly and shitty fucking ultra short shotgun) and it's managing a nice tight spread pattern at 7 yards, even with No. 4 buck.

Tell your normie friends wanting to prep for this shit to get an AR-15 or AR-9/insert pistol caliber carbine here, preferably a "pistol" with a brace so it's nice and compact for use in their home. Tell them to practice with it. You can find all sorts of drills on that darned dang old YouTubes for training. Insist that they get a weapon light for it as not having one for home defense is insanity. They can and should use a red dot sight, I'd personally recommend a "shake awake" style so they don't have to worry about either leaving it on or turning it on in a high stress situation. The AR-15 has a super simple manual of arms and a "nervous novice" gets 30 rounds or so to neutralize a threat without even having to move their hands and minimal recoil for follow up shots.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Is a double-barrel 10-gauge any superior to a 12-gauge pump as a rock-bottom-simple "the wolf is at the door" weapon for the minimally trained?

An old timer is swearing so but I'm trying to give advice to a bunch of 'normie' people prepping for the EBT shutdown because I know a little and they know nothing.

Manually operated guns are an experts weapon. They would be better of with an AR15 and 30 round mags

 

[Polock]

Is a double-barrel 10-gauge any superior to a 12-gauge pump as a rock-bottom-simple "the wolf is at the door" weapon for the minimally trained?

No. Shotguns are maybe the worst possible weapon for a minimally trained person to operate. Pump actions shotguns are very complicated despite their simplicity.

but muh racking the slide intimidation factor

That's a fucking stupid argument and anyone who thinks that should be part of their defense plan is retarded. You might as well say your defense plan involves closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears and yelling YOURE NOT IN MY HOUSE YOURE NOT IN MY HOUSE.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

Has he ever shot a 10 gauge into a piece of paper at "inside my house" ranges? He does know that thing isn't going to spread like a claymore right?

Yeah he's not a complete idiot. His logic is more pellets = more chances to save the life of "the shaky Zoomer behind the trigger...or God forbid their teenaged kid."

He's made a proper response to the very good points raised which I don't have time to post ATM.

Shotguns are maybe the worst possible weapon for a minimally trained person to operate.

Eh. You can't drop the magazine and scramble to find it, or spend 5 minutes trying to fit it in backwards or upside-down, both of which I have watched people do. If you have enough brains to put a D-cell battery in a kids' toy you can figure out which end of a shell goes in first.

 

[ifunny pride world wide]

I don't see a reason to willingly knee cap yourself with an over under. Quite literally Joe Biden tier advice. There aren't bonus points for min-maxing when it comes to self defense. Spend 30 minutes watching youtube and practicing with a pump action (or anything else for that matter) so you can overmatch your opponent.

5 rounds of 12 gauge > 14.7% more pellets in 2 rounds of 10 gauge

My nigga we're killing communists and niggers not European stags on the kings nature reserve

 

[Applied Autism]

Picked this up from Cabela's last night, I don't have any plans of picking up a rifle for it unless I find one real cheap so it's just a curio. Cabela's also had a Glock 17L in stock for 500 bucks. Almost jumped on but I talked myself out of since I don't even really like Glocks.

 

[Internet-Based Lobotomy]

Eh. You can't drop the magazine and scramble to find it, or spend 5 minutes trying to fit it in backwards or upside-down, both of which I have watched people do. If you have enough brains to put a D-cell battery in a kids' toy you can figure out which end of a shell goes in first.

I'm genuinely confused on if you are trying to arm an African militia for a raid in an hour or trying to teach someone how to learn a few things and defend themselves in the coming months. If you think these people are so inept they'll kill themselves with an AR-15 through sheer incompetence maybe you should suggest they invest in reinforcing their home. South Africa style I might add. Or moving away, whichever is better for them.

 

[Bogliacci]

Picked this up from Cabela's last night, I don't have any plans of picking up a rifle for it unless I find one real cheap so it's just a curio. Cabela's also had a Glock 17L in stock for 500 bucks. Almost jumped on but I talked myself out of since I don't even really like Glocks.

Do you just buy shit you cant actually shoot?

 

[Belgians in the Congo]

Do you just buy shit you cant actually shoot?

You don't? Besides I'm sure ONE day I'll find a non beat to shit 11mm Lefaucheux Revolver (a carbine would be PEAK) to use all 12 corroded as shit rounds on!

 

[Romulus augustulus]

You don't? Besides I'm sure ONE day I'll find a non beat to shit 11mm Lefaucheux Revolver (a carbine would be PEAK) to use all 12 corroded as shit rounds on!

I think simpsonsltd has a lefaucheux in mint/restored condition. Can’t remember if it’s 11 or 12mm though

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Yeah he's not a complete idiot. His logic is more pellets = more chances to save the life of "the shaky Zoomer behind the trigger...or God forbid their teenaged kid."

He's made a proper response to the very good points raised which I don't have time to post ATM.

Eh. You can't drop the magazine and scramble to find it, or spend 5 minutes trying to fit it in backwards or upside-down, both of which I have watched people do. If you have enough brains to put a D-cell battery in a kids' toy you can figure out which end of a shell goes in first.

You should just give them all 45s because they don’t make a forty six.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

more chances to save the life of "the shaky Zoomer behind the trigger...or God forbid their teenaged kid."

Emotional arguments like that make me want to kick him in the balls. He's got nothing to back up his info, or at least nothing you can post right now.

Eh. You can't drop the magazine and scramble to find it, or spend 5 minutes trying to fit it in backwards or upside-down, both of which I have watched people do. If you have enough brains to put a D-cell battery in a kids' toy you can figure out which end of a shell goes in first.

People will attempt to insert magazines backwards which supports your theory of people not being able to insert shotgun shells backwards? Is this a legitimate thought you allowed from your head to your fingers?

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

This was an interesting exercise, shotgun champion vs. FPVs:

 

[xf7ub2LMGZj%yV]

What buffer weights are you boys using in your AR9s with super safeties?

my ARV has the 10oz with tungston weight in the BCG (must be cut properly), both from KAK, Very smooth shooter.

I also have the MAXUM RDB buffer in another (DOE, so same as your 635, the buffer was too light) and that is interesting (you need to remove the weight from the BCG).

Worthwhile to do some reading on https://blowback9.wordpress.com/
Truly a compendium of everything you need to know, IIRC your Buffer and BCG should be about 22-24oz in weight, I think mine is like 21 and I get a hiccup every couple hundred rounds with cheap ammo but both run super well.

Springco blue spring with H3. I’m running a CMMG radial delayed bolt carrier group with a Broad River Tactical integrally suppressed barrel and Silencerco Omega 9K.

My friend can NOT get his to run properly, do you have a run down your full setup, and if you did any troubleshooting? He's not very good about describing what's going on so it's hard to troubleshoot lol. I think he hasn't filed is upper, I need to check it out in person .

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

my ARV has the 10oz with tungston weight in the BCG (must be cut properly), both from KAK, Very smooth shooter.

I also have the MAXUM RDB buffer in another (DOE, so same as your 635, the buffer was too light) and that is interesting (you need to remove the weight from the BCG).

Worthwhile to do some reading on https://blowback9.wordpress.com/
Truly a compendium of everything you need to know, IIRC your Buffer and BCG should be about 22-24oz in weight, I think mine is like 21 and I get a hiccup every couple hundred rounds with cheap ammo but both run super well.


My friend can NOT get his to run properly, do you have a run down your full setup, and if you did any troubleshooting? He's not very good about describing what's going on so it's hard to troubleshoot lol. I think he hasn't filed is upper, I need to check it out in person .

I’ve run mine in several configurations with a factory 5”, factory 8” and BRT SD barrels. Suppressed and unsuppressed with an old Gemtech suppressor clone, omega 9k, and unsuppressed. I’ve ran it on a standard lower using endomags, and a Colt mag lower with the proper .040 lower mag catch. Only issue I had was the “gas key” came loose somewhere around 7k round mark. I’ve ran it on post sample full auto lower as well as super safety, and it definitely has more rounds of full auto than semi on it.

All that to say I have a very low sample size, so maybe I’m just lucky?

My friend has one that he runs with endomags and a dead air wolfman and also has no issues.

ETA: I’ve run buffers ranging from a carbine and Sprinco white all the way up to Sprinco blue and H3. It seems to like a little heavier for the super safety.

 

[Applied Autism]

Do you just buy shit you cant actually shoot?

You don't ever get something as a curiosity? My dad has a box of 218 Bee sitting in his gun safe that i'm just waiting to add to my collection when he passes.