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Artificer967 said:
37F series individuals are trained to manipulate you, which I consider to be fundamentally evil. Yes, I know sometimes a good Christmas movie is just a good Christmas movie.

But Alan Rickman (RIP) wasn't running around in a wife-beater with his tits hanging out and no bra for clicks on SpewT00b. Therefore, you are being manipulated.

I agree Batman Returns is the better Christmas movie - plus has a banging soundtrack.
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Taser Confetti said:
Boondock Ballistician is okay I guess.
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Her stuff is a bit more niche than average but still not like super interesting stuff and is pretty easy to figure out. Stuff that's been pretty well known for a solid 5-10 years I'd say. Her voice is a bit much, I guess I'd prefer Lujan over her for voice/speech stuff. Not gonna talk about her face because that'd be mean
 
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Bogliacci said:
Yep, I went all in with the leather lining straps for the magazine purches, back sway strap. Everything just short of exotic leather. Black and nickel to match the LTT 92 that will call it home.
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I went with the sway strap on my first rig, and belt tie downs on the second. After living with my first rig for a few years I realized the sway strap doesn't work that great for my build and it will droop down and peak out of the bottom of whatever I'm wearing over it too often if the over garment isn't long enough.

My one suggestion for the rear sway strap once you get your rig: make sure the length is adjusted right where you want it before really snuggling down the Chicago screws, because once they are good and tightened they are a BITCH to unscrew. I realized I had my sway strap just a tad longer than I needed and now I can't get the damn things unscrewed to adjust the strap. Adjust it to where you think it's comfortable, tighten the screws so they'll stay put but will still unscrew for you, wear it like that for a week or two to make sure it's where you like it, then either adjust it more if you're not happy or tighten them down good if you are satisfied where it's at. I wish I had known that beforehand.
 
Taser Confetti said:
Kiwis, tell me about your carry ammo. Personally, I swap it out once a year for the magazines and the old stuff gets put in long term SHTF storage. What do you do with it?
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In my younger days I had the same magazine of expensive hollow points, buffalo bore or underwood or something like that, in my carry gun for nearly 10 years. I would unload the gun and use a spare magazine to for range use. I would just cycle through the rounds so the extractor wouldn't destroy the rim of one cartridge. I later fired the rounds in that magazine and it functioned flawlessly. Daily CC in the American south, humidity and sweat. No problem. These days I run through my magazine of HSTs every so often, maybe once every other month, just so I don't forget what non standard pressure range ammo feels like.
 
God's drunkest driver said:
In my younger days I had the same magazine of expensive hollow points, buffalo bore or underwood or something like that, in my carry gun for nearly 10 years. I would unload the gun and use a spare magazine to for range use. I would just cycle through the rounds so the extractor wouldn't destroy the rim of one cartridge. I later fired the rounds in that magazine and it functioned flawlessly. Daily CC in the American south, humidity and sweat. No problem. These days I run through my magazine of HSTs every so often, maybe once every other month, just so I don't forget what non standard pressure range ammo feels like.
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My Dad carried a Colt Delta Elite loaded with OG Black Talons since the 90's until the day he died. When he shoved off this mortal coil I got all his guns and decided to fire one of the Black Talons for shits and giggles - worked perfectly.
 
Taser Confetti said:
My Dad carried a Colt Delta Elite loaded with OG Black Talons since the 90's until the day he died. When he shoved off this mortal coil I got all his guns and decided to fire one of the Black Talons for shits and giggles - worked perfectly.
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If you can find Winchester Ranger T-series it’s the same thing. The lineage is Black Talon=Ranger SXT=Ranger T-Series. That being said modern JHPs are better in every way. Federal HST, Winchester Defender, Hornady Critical Duty, Speer Gold Dot are all good defense rounds that will perform to the FBI barrier test when needed.
 
Smoke Manmuscle said:
If you can find Winchester Ranger T-series it’s the same thing. The lineage is Black Talon=Ranger SXT=Ranger T-Series. That being said modern JHPs are better in every way. Federal HST, Winchester Defender, Hornady Critical Duty, Speer Gold Dot are all good defense rounds that will perform to the FBI barrier test when needed.
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I like my HST's just fine. I keep the Black Talon box cause it's kind of a neat collectors item from a bygone era.
 
God's drunkest driver said:
In my younger days I had the same magazine of expensive hollow points, buffalo bore or underwood or something like that, in my carry gun for nearly 10 years. I would unload the gun and use a spare magazine to for range use. I would just cycle through the rounds so the extractor wouldn't destroy the rim of one cartridge. I later fired the rounds in that magazine and it functioned flawlessly. Daily CC in the American south, humidity and sweat. No problem. These days I run through my magazine of HSTs every so often, maybe once every other month, just so I don't forget what non standard pressure range ammo feels like.
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Taser Confetti said:
My Dad carried a Colt Delta Elite loaded with OG Black Talons since the 90's until the day he died. When he shoved off this mortal coil I got all his guns and decided to fire one of the Black Talons for shits and giggles - worked perfectly.
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That’s cool, but is it worth the risk for a few dollars in ammo?
 
Pretend To Imagine said:
That’s cool, but is it worth the risk for a few dollars in ammo?
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It's not and I never said it was. I cycle mine about once a year but figure when civilization collapses and we're afraid to cook food because the smell invites a home invasion ala Bosnia I'd rather be down to meh 5yr carry ammo than none at all. Like I said previously, the old shit gets tossed into a special ammo can with silicon packs.
 
Taser Confetti said:
I like my HST's just fine. I keep the Black Talon box cause it's kind of a neat collectors item from a bygone era.
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The era when subversive fuckheads in Hollywood made movies that lied to gullible retards who believed it, then used those lies to ban stuff.

That dumbfuck Lethal Weapon 3 movie where they falsely portrayed the Evil Huwyte Maing using "cop killer" bullets coated in teflon. I disremember if it was "they sprayed them" with Teflon (like, out of a can like it was hairspray) or it was somehow industrially coated in Teflon, but it was pretty egregious. Even past me in 1992 was calling bullshit.

In my opinion, Olin Corporation should have sued that disloyal commie fuckhead Richard Donner and Warner brothers for liable, as that false claim gave a great deal of fuel to the fire that led to the Black Talon being banned.

I take it most of the people in this thread know this already, but Teflon coated projectiles became a thing because it reduced fouling in the barrel of a firearm, that's it. It had nothing to do with penetrating armor - it is velocity that enables a projectile to penetrate armor, not what the projectile is coated with. Like a rail gun shooting a 1kg block of aluminum at a M1A2 Abrams MBT at 25,000 fps and having that block of aluminum go through it lengthwise, no stops.

Add in a bunch of MD's all crying about how tore up the Culture Enrichers were in the ER in Chicago and Baltimore during a long summer weekend and the Talon was doomed.

 
Artificer967 said:
The era when subversive fuckheads in Hollywood made movies that lied to gullible retards who believed it, then used those lies to ban stuff.

That dumbfuck Lethal Weapon 3 movie where they falsely portrayed the Evil Huwyte Maing using "cop killer" bullets coated in teflon. I disremember if it was "they sprayed them" with Teflon (like, out of a can like it was hairspray) or it was somehow industrially coated in Teflon, but it was pretty egregious. Even past me in 1992 was calling bullshit.

In my opinion, Olin Corporation should have sued that disloyal commie fuckhead Richard Donner and Warner brothers for liable, as that false claim gave a great deal of fuel to the fire that led to the Black Talon being banned.

I take it most of the people in this thread know this already, but Teflon coated projectiles became a thing because it reduced fouling in the barrel of a firearm, that's it. It had nothing to do with penetrating armor - it is velocity that enables a projectile to penetrate armor, not what the projectile is coated with. Like a rail gun shooting a 1kg block of aluminum at a M1A2 Abrams MBT at 25,000 fps and having that block of aluminum go through it lengthwise, no stops.

Add in a bunch of MD's all crying about how tore up the Culture Enrichers were in the ER in Chicago and Baltimore during a long summer weekend and the Talon was doomed.

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Worst part is they aren’t even teflon coated. It was molybdenum sulfide which also gave it the characteristic black look. When used in rifle bullets it was called Lubalox and used on the Partition bullets Winchester partnered with Nosler on.

The reason it fell out of favor is it only worked if you used bullets coated with it exclusively. If you didn’t the coated would be worn back off by the non coated bullets and you would lose all the benefits of the reduced fouling the Lubalox provided.
 
Artificer967 said:
I take it most of the people in this thread know this already, but Teflon coated projectiles became a thing because it reduced fouling in the barrel of a firearm, that's it
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It supposedly reduced fouling in the barrel. Whether it worked better than regular metal jackets is anyone's guess at this point. I don't think any testing was done on this outside of Winchester's marketing division.

Smoke Manmuscle said:
The reason it fell out of favor is it only worked if you used bullets coated with it exclusively.
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This sounds like something a Winchester employee would say.

I never believed the Black Talons were inherently different from any other jacketed hollowpoint of the era, as far as I can tell it's just Fuddlore + the allure of them being pulled from the market because of all the bad press over their scary name. Just because the media says it's scary and the marketing team agrees doesn't make it true.
 
Smoke Manmuscle said:
Worst part is they aren’t even teflon coated. It was molybdenum sulfide which also gave it the characteristic black look. When used in rifle bullets it was called Lubalox and used on the Partition bullets Winchester partnered with Nosler on.

The reason it fell out of favor is it only worked if you used bullets coated with it exclusively. If you didn’t the coated would be worn back off by the non coated bullets and you would lose all the benefits of the reduced fouling the Lubalox provided.
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1992 was a long time ago. I would have to get a few cases of that stuff and test it to see if there was a benefit at all, and if that benefit evaporated if you used anything other than Lubalox coated bullets. I mean, it could be done today but it would take a mountain of cash to buy up as much time-capsuled ammo as you could find. I'm sure some fudd Speculator out there is sitting on a small mountain of the stuff until he can sell it and fund his vacation to the Maldives...

S.C.U.D. said:
I never believed the Black Talons were inherently different from any other jacketed hollowpoint of the era, as far as I can tell it's just Fuddlore + the allure of them being pulled from the market because of all the bad press over their scary name.
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From what I remember (and I actually do still have a box or two of this stuff in deep storage. Like... maybe 50 or 100 rounds. I think.) Talons were some of the first of the controlled expansion projectiles on the market. Shooters and engineers had been trying to get projectiles to expand in a consistent manner for generations in an effort to get pistol bullets to behave like rifle bullets - to make a bigger hole.

I think Winchester did it with the Talon. That said, the projectile opened like a 5 or 6 pointed flower - I can remember full page ads in gun comic books showing them close-up.

Then the Diversity got ahold of them because nothing says proof of concept like throwing Culture Enrichers something new to kill each other with. ER docs were scaring the hell out of everyone on the news and testifying in front of Congress about how deadly these new projectiles were - they were, in fact, saying the thing designed to be very effective was very effective, and therefore "bad".

Which was and is retarded.

S.C.U.D. said:
Just because the media says it's scary and the marketing team agrees doesn't make it true.
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Agreed. Appeal to Authority. And marketing departments and journos are no authority to be appealing to.

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Hunter Thompson would absolutely be disgusted with the state of the Left in America today. Especially with their censorship of free speech and expression, their performative virtue signaling, and their suicidal desire to destroy Western culture. He would recognize them for the genuine Fascists they are.
 
Artificer967 said:
From what I remember (and I actually do still have a box or two of this stuff in deep storage. Like... maybe 50 or 100 rounds. I think.) Talons were some of the first of the controlled expansion projectiles on the market. Shooters and engineers had been trying to get projectiles to expand in a consistent manner for generations in an effort to get pistol bullets to behave like rifle bullets - to make a bigger hole.

I think Winchester did it with the Talon. That said, the projectile opened like a 5 or 6 pointed flower - I can remember full page ads in gun comic books showing them close-up.
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They were the first bullet to utilize the data from the FBI tests after Miami Dade. The way they did it isn’t a secret. A traditional cup and core bullet always has a taper on the jacket in order to get it out of the forming press and off the punch. The bottom of copper cup forms the base of the bullet. The thickness and slope of the jacket is what allows traditional rifle bullets to control expansion. The problem with pistol bullets is have a habit of over expanding and ripping the jacket petals that form of or they don’t expand and act like FMJs. Winchester found a method to punch through the base of the jacket and form the hollowpoint cavity on bottom of the jacket. The scoring of jacket to form the cavity also forms the talons the media crucified. They patented it and every LE and premium self defense round they have made since has used this technique. If you look carefully inside the Winchester Defender hollowpoint cavity you can see where the jacket is scored. If you pull a bullet you will see the jacket is just folded over and part of the lead is exposed unlike most hollowpoint bullets. Since then other companies have developed their own methods for controlling expansion.
 
Been looking at surplus pistols and saw this cz75. (link)
You think I will be playing milsurp roulette with these and potentially get a very rough one? I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.
 
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Sneeds said:
milsurp roulette
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>Royal Tiger Imports
For absolutely no extra fee I will call you a nigger.
It's a CZ75, if there's anything wrong with it there's spare parts but if $400 on a decent handgun is too much for you I would recommend looking for a brand new gun or shopping elsewhere because RTI is exclusively known for scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's more impressive when guns from them work.
 
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