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I wonder if a small net of some sort would be more effective at disabling a drone.

I suppose the problem with projecting a net would be getting a strong enough one into a shot shell and if 12 gauge has enough capacity to be effective for this application.
With fishing braid or aramid cord a good net could fit into a 12 gauge shell, but it slows down too much in flight. Hard to lead with and short range. It doesn't really have to be extraordinarily strong, a line that isn't under much tension is hard to cut, so even at high rpm props are still likely to tangle even thin nets. You could improve the cutting ability in response by using less flexible props with sharper edges, the tradeoff is that if you clip branches or something on your way to your target you will break stiffer props. Most racing and freestyle propellers are way more flexible and durable than people expect. You can fly through some thin branches you didn't see until too close "ghost branches" while shooting gaps in trees and come back with a bunch of nicked leading edges and bent blades, straighten them out, and go flying again. Gemfan made some thick, flexible props that could take a beating, and they even started making folding props which might even help with entanglement.

I had previously thought about engaging drones with shot but I had not accounted for the profile of the target when a suicide drone is on an attack run, that's a really good detail.

However, despite the fact that actually hitting a drone is going to be harder than I originally imagined, I still think that any sort of hit to the motors would very likely cause a mobility kill on the drone due to the payload its carrying. An empty drone can fly with a mangled rotor fairly well, sometimes you can even with a disabled motor...but I think the drone IK would struggle with a payload. That's why I was theorizing that #2-BB sized shot may be the sweet spot between saturation and damage potential.

I don't know what kind of weight the payloads are in anti-personnel operations, but it's pretty standard to have thrust to weight ratios in excess of 5:1 with battery. Relying on a motor hit to drop it outside of fragmentation range would be a no-go for me, if I were a suicide drone operator I'd probably hit the detonation switch as soon as it started tumbling on approach. It's an airburst at that point and some frags may still reach the target.

Not in reply to the above but more as a general note:

Intercepting a multirotor with another one that trails a few weighted cords has always been a good method. The problem is acquiring your target, they're hard to see from a distance under the goggles. In the 2010s I was building primitive multirotors and flying with an early racing group, a couple of the guys were adamant that the more modern quadcopters people were building could change warfare. They were experimenting with ways to take out multirotors and planes. A few fishing weights on braided line trailing behind one of their tricopters (yeah it was that long ago) or an RC plane was enough to take down a multirotor with a couple of well executed passes. I have wondered every time an airport was shut down because of a "mystery drone" why the authorities didn't have some of these trolling lines in their drone surveillance drone kits. There's no way a couple of college students at a drone racing club made something work 10 years ago that nobody else figured out.
 
Anyone who has considered any KAC products knows he has been on that shit for a while because of the prices.
I don't remember AR15Discounts having much KAC stuff but now they have enough to send out a promo email on two pages of discounts? Did someone else just get out of the KAC business?

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Got a call from my guy at the shop, he found a .44 Rhino and offered $200 bucks off (about $1100 before taxes) to make up for them dropping the ball on the original order. It's too late though, I've already got my eyes set on something far more financially irresponsible. Gonna see if I can score me an APC9 SD sometime here. Now that there's an FRT for them there's no reason why every American shouldn't own a germanic sub gun!
 
A question for these of us trapped in cuck states: any good sources for "preban" (old metal) +10 rnd magazines that ship to places like MA? A few local shops have them, but gouge out the ass.
 
Have you watched too many A-Team Re-runs and now desire an AC-556? Well not you can satisfy your craving with a Mini 14 FRT, presumably coming at some point from AS Designs
Oh fuck I need a stainless Mini-14 GB like yesterday NOW!
 
I'm impressed by the $30 two-slot rail cover.

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It's even got a quick-release lever. On a two-slot rail cover.

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You do know that you can get those rail covers from ebay from guys who... liberated... them from their units, right?

Edit: Fuck, I guess its been a while since I shopped for them, I don't recall dropping $100 for the full pic rail set with the VFG, lmaooo Now I'm real sad that I cut one of my rail covers down... kinda.

ETA: I think I spent less on an entire Knights M4 RAS, too. Also spent less for the extra lower guard piece that clamps to the barrel nut to "freefloat" it, kinda. I think I spent like $300 ish total for my entire M4 RAS setup that I got for my MK18 mod 0 clone. Guess all that cool surplus GWOT stuff is finally drying up.
 
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I fucking hope that H&K is excluded from every FDF tender from now on, with how they delayed the new assault rifle program with over a year with a lost cause from the beginning.
On Wednesday, the Supreme Administrative Court of Finland announced their final verdict on the Heckler & Koch vs Finnish Defence Forces and SAKO case: earlier ruling by the Finnish Market Court stands. So H&K can go fuck themselves, and gets to pay for the legal costs of this pretty pointless trial that has delayed the adoption of a new Finnish service rifle for over 3 years.
 
@SinistralRifleman is making his own 2GACM with blackjack and hookers. Don't tell Karl!

I'm not even subscribed to Russ but somehow this was the top video in my recommends this morning.
 
On Wednesday, the Supreme Administrative Court of Finland announced their final verdict on the Heckler & Koch vs Finnish Defence Forces and SAKO case: earlier ruling by the Finnish Market Court stands. So H&K can go fuck themselves, and gets to pay for the legal costs of this pretty pointless trial that has delayed the adoption of a new Finnish service rifle for over 3 years.

Having spoken with some people in the system, they are really done with Heckler & Koch over this. Just useless tantrum from them that caused irreparable PR damage. Though with the legal costs being paid, same people don't really think that real damage has been done to the program as FDF aren't exactly in a hurry to replace the RK 62 unlike Sweden with their clapped out AK5s. The Swedes had to make an emergency purchase of M4s to even have working rifles after all. So this basically ended up being a shoulder shrug for FDF to continue their own testing and waiting the Swedes to get their first share of new rifles and getting any production issues at SAKO fixed and removed.
 
Having spoken with some people in the system, they are really done with Heckler & Koch over this. Just useless tantrum from them that caused irreparable PR damage. Though with the legal costs being paid, same people don't really think that real damage has been done to the program as FDF aren't exactly in a hurry to replace the RK 62 unlike Sweden with their clapped out AK5s. The Swedes had to make an emergency purchase of M4s to even have working rifles after all. So this basically ended up being a shoulder shrug for FDF to continue their own testing and waiting the Swedes to get their first share of new rifles and getting any production issues at SAKO fixed and removed.
Also, while for a layman it was a lost cause from the beginning, you can see why H&K went all the way down this path.

TL;DR version for others:

- In 2023 Finland and Sweden sign a contract with SAKO to produce new assault rifles for Finland and Sweden
- Orders of this magnitude typically have to have public tenders in the EU. However, with Sweden they had some special rules in place when they joined, which allowed them to skip that with military procurement. As for Finland, they used what is called Article 346(1b) in the EU legislation:
any Member State may take such measures as it considers necessary for the protection of the essential interests of its security which are connected with the production of or trade in arms, munitions and war material; such measures shall not adversely affect the conditions of competition in the internal market regarding products which are not intended for specifically military purposes.
- Finnish Defence Forces argued that domestic production and expertise of assault rifles is crucial in war time, a very much justified reasoning for the direct purchase from SAKO
- This article had never been used in small arms purchases before, so H&K got riled up about it, and sued Finland and Sako to Finnish Market Court, demanding that the contract is voided, and that the Finns forward the case to EU to set a precedent about the use of article 346(1b)
- In 2024, the Finnish Market Court rules against H&K, they appeal to the Supreme Administrative Court of Finland
- On Wednesday, the Supreme Administrative Court of Finland upholds the ruling

You can understand why H&K was going after it, because now every EU country can use this case as a precedent, and skip public tendering when it comes to military small arms. Means, that H&K can lose potential military contracts worth hundreds of millions of euros. This obviously applies to every gun manufacturer out there, but H&K seemed particularly pissy about it.
 
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