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9x19 radially delayed blowback (CMMG Dissent). Will have a range report after this weekend.
Awesome 😎

I'm still REALLY wanting a MP5 clone for my one and only subgun buuuttt I've heard good things about it the Dissent

Also, I consulted a gunsmith who said to pass on the 617 MG I got hands on with.... So I did and got a Bodyguard 2.0 😎

And a 617 MG from another retailer lol
 
still best avoided however.
Ok so I've recently looked into this.
The problem is as such: those shotguns are made for 12 guage, 2-1/2" shells. American standard 12 guage is 2-3/4". The problem, is that 2-3/4" shells will fit and fire in a 2-1/2" chamber, but they do not expand properly (for obvious reasons). This leads to a pressure spike due to a reduced bore diameter where the shell has its petals expands out.
You can shoot modern 2-1/2" shells all day, as they were literally reproofed for said shells. 2-3/4" is a no go. Whether you could ream the chambers out for 2-3/4" I don't know, and am currently trying to figure out.
 
Awesome 😎

I'm still REALLY wanting a MP5 clone for my one and only subgun buuuttt I've heard good things about it the Dissent

Also, I consulted a gunsmith who said to pass on the 617 MG I got hands on with.... So I did and got a Bodyguard 2.0 😎

And a 617 MG from another retailer lol
Noice! How do you like the Bodyguard? I have a bunch of .380 ammo now thanks to buying 80's euro service pistols so maybe something modern that uses it wouldn't be awful.
 
Cool.
I used to shoot with the owners a lifetime ago.
I was just guessing .22LR because I didn't see a buffer tube.
Yeah - the Dissent takes the pistol-caliber Banshee's radially-delayed setup and adds their take on the AR18 recoil assembly to it to eliminate the buffer tube at the cost of a taller upper receiver. They also make rifle-caliber versions that use a traditional gas system.
 
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Noice! How do you like the Bodyguard? I have a bunch of .380 ammo now thanks to buying 80's euro service pistols so maybe something modern that uses it wouldn't be awful.
For a tiny pocket .380 it's VERY good.

Absolutely blows (heheh) blowback pocket pistols out of the water.

Note that it still has some snap to it as it's a sub 13oz pistol firing .380 rounds and it's frame width, at max, is just under an inch

Honestly a .32 ACP Bodyguard would literally be (IMHO) one of the best pocket pistols around and something to FINALLY kill the Keltec P32 which essentially has no competition as the one good Browning action .32 pistol
 
Whether you could ream the chambers out for 2-3/4" I don't know, and am currently trying to figure out.
This depends on the specific barrel in mind, most do have enough thickness to extend the forcing cone. The more practical method is cutting the fold crimp and placing a card atop to seal with wax. Reloading for 2 1/2" is even easier because you just cut off the unfolded plastic on your standard 2 3/4" hull.
I want to dropkick the motherfucker who standardized the fold crimp. No I don't care about waterproofing, I don't go swimming with paper shells.
 
Ok so I've recently looked into this.
The problem is as such: those shotguns are made for 12 guage, 2-1/2" shells. American standard 12 guage is 2-3/4". The problem, is that 2-3/4" shells will fit and fire in a 2-1/2" chamber, but they do not expand properly (for obvious reasons). This leads to a pressure spike due to a reduced bore diameter where the shell has its petals expands out.
You can shoot modern 2-1/2" shells all day, as they were literally reproofed for said shells. 2-3/4" is a no go. Whether you could ream the chambers out for 2-3/4" I don't know, and am currently trying to figure out.
Most All shotguns made since the late 40s are at least 2 3/4 or longer. Those short chambers like 2 1/2in 2 5/8in and 2 9/16in are all inter war or earlier in make. Generally.

You can shoot modern 2 1/2in shells in guns made for smokeless ammunition, the old BP guns should be inspected for safety and then shot either with BP or the “nitro for black” low pressure smokeless shells like RST. My fav brand of shells for my 1956 made 2 1/2 gun is Italian B&P

Only star crimped 2 3/4in shells will chamber in a 2 1/2in gun. Roll crimped shells are actually the full 2 3/4 inches.

Chambers can be reamed but only if the barrel walls are thick enough. A lot of the old shotguns are made light to swing well so right after the chamber the barrel walls will start to thin very quickly. Some of these guns will taper down to less than 30 thou at the thinnest which is generally a few inches from the muzzle. Simply no point to heavy barrels if you’re shooting lighter loads like in the past.

Smaller gauge guns will have thicker walls because small bites have higher operating pressures. For example it’s usually no problem to ream out an old 410 to a more modern length since they usually have pretty thick chamber areas.
 
Can you please remind me why you went with a Dissent over a Banshee? I'm simply curious.
Mostly because you can fold it into a very compact package:

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Also, it looked cool. 😁
 
Only star crimped 2 3/4in shells will chamber in a 2 1/2in gun. Roll crimped shells are actually the full 2 3/4 inches.
To elaborate on this, fold/star crimped shells are not their full length unfired. A 2-3/4" fold crimped shell is roughly 2-1/2" in length, unfolding upon firing to 2-3/4".
This is why they may fit despite being for longer chambers. It's the same deal with a 3" fold crimped shell fitting in a 2-3/4" chamber.
You can, but you shouldn't.
 
To elaborate on this, fold/star crimped shells are not their full length unfired. A 2-3/4" fold crimped shell is roughly 2-1/2" in length, unfolding upon firing to 2-3/4".
This is why they may fit despite being for longer chambers. It's the same deal with a 3" fold crimped shell fitting in a 2-3/4" chamber.
You can, but you shouldn't.
and the reason you should not is because the crimp cannot unfold to its full extent which in effect causes a bore obstruction and over pressures the barrel. The gun may not blow up (but that is a real risk) but the felt recoil will be intense.
 
For a tiny pocket .380 it's VERY good.

Absolutely blows (heheh) blowback pocket pistols out of the water.

Note that it still has some snap to it as it's a sub 13oz pistol firing .380 rounds and it's frame width, at max, is just under an inch

Honestly a .32 ACP Bodyguard would literally be (IMHO) one of the best pocket pistols around and something to FINALLY kill the Keltec P32 which essentially has no competition as the one good Browning action .32 pistol

Agreed. I’ve got a P32 as my super deep concealment gun - but a .32 Bodyguard would awesome.
 
but the felt recoil will be intense.
can that have an affect on action & stock wear? if most double shotguns are made from plain mild steel like the first link here suggests that might be the case. doubles are quite admirable and from a simplicity & repairability perspective some are absolutely great, but others can be complete nightmares lol

 
can that have an affect on action & stock wear? if most double shotguns are made from plain mild steel like the first link here suggests that might be the case. doubles are quite admirable and from a simplicity & repairability perspective some are absolutely great, but others can be complete nightmares lol

A modern O/U or SxS will be using hardened tough steel. All the examples in that blog are going on 100 years old.

The heavy recoil will certainly have an effect on wear. For example, a lot of older SxS shotguns are made for relatively light loads (1 ounce shot weight or less), because doves, pheasant, squirrel and rabbit don't require magnum loads. If you load up some super heavy duck loads in your AyA XXV you'll shoot it loose pretty quick. it won't blow up, but you'll have to have to put back on face in less than a 1,000 rounds. These very light doubles would also want to split at the wrist, depending on the type of action. A side lock gun actually has very thin wood in around the side locks.

A double built for heavy loads will have some specific features that are easy to pick out:

It will have some form of a third "bite". A bite is what locks the action closed. on a light weight game gun like the AyA mentioned above there are generally only two bites. On a duck or pigeon gun there will be atleast three. the third bite is usually located between the barrels at the top of the breach. There are various ones but the most common is the greener cross bolt:
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The cross bolt is the protrusion at the top rear of the barrels. it goes into the recess into the breach and a bolt goes through the hole, locking it up like a bank vault.

on our AyA XXV we are using for an example you can see that there is no third bite at all:
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the only thing holding the gun closed are the two purdey double under bolts underneath the barrels. it works well for lighter loads.
A Duck/pigeon gun will also be physically larger, with thicker barrels and denser wood, and they generally (but not always) have a pistol grip stock.

Here is my Husqvarna 20B. it is a 2 1/2 inch chambered 12 gauge. It is very slender and light. It feels comparable in the hand to a 16 gauge. beautifully tapered barrels. it's very handy. It has no third bite. I suspect it would tolerate heavy loads fairly well since the lefaucheux action on this gun is actually very strong, but the recoil on this gun would be hellish since it is very light weight.
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Here is my Merkel Model 8. It's a noticeably heavy and sturdier gun. it has 2 3/4 inch chambers, a greener cross bolt, and wood that is denser and thicker around the wrist. The barrels, while very nicely made are noticeably thicker. it's a good gun and would do well on the big birds.
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the German doubles tend to be heavier built because they were expected to also be able to fire slugs at boar etc. British, French, Belgian, Spanish and most swedish guns tend to be lighter as they were primarily intended for exclusive bird shooting.
 
I'm actually sort of impressed by how bad this setup is. Even if you really just love the chin weld, why only use half of the riser? I'm completely stumped as to how he got there.
It is a cantilever riser. Sometimes called "the tower of power" by people who dislike the setup.
Guys were being issue non-QD mounts, and if they wanted them higher, they were mounting them on a QD riser that is cantilever, so it could be mounted farther forward if they wanted.
 
I stumbled across videos of two guys who rechambered a FN FAL to shoot 8mm Mauser


Videos of it shooting


Pretty easy conversion in theory. Hardest part would be the bolt head. Some machining will be required. And then a new barrel.

Once you’ve got that done there’s a load of cartridges that use the 7mm/8mm Mauser case. 30-06, 35 whelan, 270 Winchester, 9.3x62, 9.3x57…..

If they’ll fit the mags and feed you’re off to the races
 
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Just picked up my Lawman about an hour ago. Sweet piece.

Edit: also got some Pachmayr Presentation grips for it (which were kind of a bitch to find and cost too much)
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