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What about hollow-point ammunition? Would there still be a danger of over-penetration?
I actually loaded a few AK mags with Tulammo hollow-point as a "just in case" when things started getting crazy last summer.
Russian HPs don't expand much more, if at all, than FMJ so there is functionally zero difference. Besides that, Tula is terrible ammo to even plink with.

7.62x39 I feel has the same issues .223/5.56 does with HD, it will kill the bad guy good, but what else is it going to go through?

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If you live someplace where your nearest neighbor is like a half mile away or something, the penetration argument goes out the window but just be aware that you'll still be poking holes in your home.
 
Russian HPs don't expand much more, if at all, than FMJ so there is functionally zero difference. Besides that, Tula is terrible ammo to even plink with.

7.62x39 I feel has the same issues .223/5.56 does with HD, it will kill the bad guy good, but what else is it going to go through?

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If you live someplace where your nearest neighbor is like a half mile away or something, the penetration argument goes out the window but just be aware that you'll still be poking holes in your home.
What are your thoughts on Winchester ammo in 5.56 and .223?
 
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Well, after a long wait I finally, FINALLY have my Trijicon RMR mounted on my FK BRNO! It's a really sweet setup. My first time having an MRD mounted to one of my pistols, and I'm really digging it. Can't wait to take it to the range to pop It's cherry and get the optic zeroed.

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Well, after a long wait I finally, FINALLY have my Trijicon RMR mounted on my FK BRNO! It's a really sweet setup. My first time having an MRD mounted to one of my pistols, and I'm really digging it. Can't wait to take it to the range to pop It's cherry and get the optic zeroed.

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You take your spaceguns and you post pictures of them in front of non-plebians who can afford them, jerk! nice gat tho
 
I don't think .22 LR is a defensive round. Unless you get lucky and hit someone in the eye or some shit, or you put a gun to the back of their heads (which would probably be considered murder unless you live in a State that actually respects your right to self defense like Florida), you're not doing much against a human being with that round. Long and short of it is is that no matter what you use, it's going to be loud and messy (unless you have a suppressor on your HD gun). I like 9mm because modern 9mm has an absolute fuck ton of loads available for it that didn't exist when 10mm was a thing. .45 would be a decent HD round too since its fat and slow and won't over-penetrate things.

I can really only tell you what I think and what I'd do, though. You have to go with what you're most comfortable with in the end, I don't really like getting into caliber wars discussions because they always get insanely autistic and everyone has their own preferences.
.22LR is perfectly capable of penetrating the human body and killing someone. Small caliber rounds are perfectly fine for self defense, as what matters most of all is shot placement, and five .22LR bullets into the chest cavity is better than one or none of a higher caliber in the same area. At only a few feet away, .22LR is going to have most of its muzzle velocity. It'll do - it's not ideal, but you're sure as hell going to get 90% of the people who'd break into a house to fuck off once you start shooting, and if they're part of the 10% that don't, it'll handle them.
 
.22LR is perfectly capable of penetrating the human body and killing someone. Small caliber rounds are perfectly fine for self defense, as what matters most of all is shot placement, and five .22LR bullets into the chest cavity is better than one or none of a higher caliber in the same area. At only a few feet away, .22LR is going to have most of its muzzle velocity. It'll do - it's not ideal, but you're sure as hell going to get 90% of the people who'd break into a house to fuck off once you start shooting, and if they're part of the 10% that don't, it'll handle them.
If anyone in this thread asking for advice for self defense guns and rounds is capable of putting five rounds on target with no misses under high stress in low light (your typical home invasion scenario), then sure .22 LR is fine.

I'm more than willing to bet they're not though.

The fact of the matter is, in a fight some rounds are going to go stray, that's all there is to it. We're talking about people who are probably not trained or at most have taken a single self defense course. You blabbering some Annie Oakley bullshit doesn't really help that and if someone takes your advice to heart on .22 LR and gets killed, then that's on you. Sure, you can be a pedantic ass and try to win an internet argument autistically screeching that it's a perfectly fine self defense round if you hit on target 10 out of 10 times, but for hobbyists reality often proves otherwise.
 
Plenty of people have been killed by .22lr. Maybe more than any other caliber due to accidents, because people have often treated it with negligence because of how small it is. "How could this little thing kill a grown man? This is what they give little kids to learn how to shoot! It can't be dangerous if they give it to kids!" Not to mention all the negligent discharges from people forgetting the rules of firearms safety and not checking the weapon to see if it's clear, or people who are going through Grampy's stuff after he's passed away and they pick up the Colt Woodsman he kept loaded for the rats and gophers in his garden. Or tragically, kids playing around in Mom and Dad's bedroom and find Dad's plinking rifle. And there have been plenty of people killed with .22s in homicides and self defense.

The thing about .22lr for self defense is this: it isn't an ideal round for self defense, but if it's the only thing you have then it's better than not having a gun at all. These days, 9mm is an excellent choice for home protection and self defense, preferably when you're using good quality hollow point ammunition. The recoil is soft enough that nearly anyone can shoot it comfortably, 9mm pistols tend to have good magazine capacity, and it's effective. But, like I said, if .22lr is your only option for whatever reason, then that's better than pointy sticks and harsh language.
 
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What are your thoughts on the Ruger 10/22 for home defense.
I bought a used one and HATED it. Pain in the ass to field strip, frequently jammed, couldn't zero it to save my life, and had a wobbly folding stock.

I couldn't find a buyer, so I just turned it over to the police. It was too much of a piece of trash for me to want to deal with it anymore.

If you want one, I'd say get one new, with a fixed stock.
 
Plenty of people have been killed by .22lr. Maybe more than any other caliber due to accidents, because people have often treated it with negligence because of how small it is. "How could this little thing kill a grown man? This is what they have little kids to learn how to shoot! It can't be dangerous if they give it to kids!" Not to mention all the negligent discharges from people forgetting the rules of firearms safety and not checking the weapon to see if it's clear, or people who are going through Grampy's stuff after he's passed away and they pick up the Colt Woodsman he kept loaded for the rats and gophers in his garden. Or tragically, kids playing around in Mom and Dad's bedroom and find Dad's plinking rifle. And there have been plenty of people killed with .22s in homicides and self defense.

The thing about .22lr for self defense is this: it isn't an ideal round for self defense, but if it's the only thing you have then it's better than not having a gun at all. These days, 9mm is an excellent choice for home protection and self defense, preferably when you're using good quality hollow point ammunition. The recoil is soft enough that nearly anyone can shoot it comfortably, 9mm pistols tend to have good magazine capacity, and it's effective. But, like I said, if .22lr is your only option for whatever reason, then that's better than pointy sticks and harsh language.
Yes, if you have absolutely nothing else, sure .22 LR is fine. What most people seem to underestimate though is how much punishment the human body can take. It's not like the movies where getting hit with a single round will send you back 10 yards. Even with 9mm, people can take several rounds of that and keep coming. .22 LR, which is like the bee sting of calibers (and rim fire to boot, which can have its own reliability issues) will put someone down but its going to take even more. When other options exist, you would have to be absolutely fucking retarded to go with that. If it's your only choice, sure it's better than nothing.

As for the most people have been killed with .22 LR, that is fuddlore shit simply because most forensics don't record caliber deaths. The only place this *might* hold true is California and that is from one single yearly report with voluntarily submitted information. If anything .25s have killed more people due simply to Saturday Night Specials being a thing back in the day. Simply put, no one in the past 20 to 25 years is using .22 LR to commit murders or drive bys on the scale you think they are. Not even accidential death wise.
 
I’d still pick 9mm over .22LR but both will kill you. The reason why .22LR is/was a common murder tool is because small pistols and the ammunition in that caliber are everywhere. And five or six rounds of .22LR into someone’s chest is probably going to kill them. Same can be said of 9mm, or any other round. I’d still pick a heavier round myself, but .22LR is lethal enough to consider as a mouse gun if you’re looking for a back up home defense gun or pistol to put in a night stand and want to be able to practice with it for cheap. While rimfire obviously isn’t as reliable as center fire, it’s still better than no gun and a small pistol you practice with because it’s comfortable to shoot is better than a small pistol with a cartridge that you find uncomfortable to shoot with and don’t practice with because of that.

Perfection is the enemy of good enough. There was a handicapped guy my grandfather worked with that had a .44 Magnum with a snub barrel “just in case” despite being about 100 pounds soaking wet. Is .44 mag a better round for killing people than .22LR? Hell yes it is. My grandfather paid him for the gun, gave him an older .22LR revolver he had instead, and I don’t think either of them regretted that trade. Mind you this was back in the early 90’s.

EDIT: Personally the lowest caliber I’d seriously consider carrying for self defense is .32 ACP. It’s not ideal (and it’s from an early era of handguns where every one of them would be considered “underpowered” by today’s standards, it was good enough for military service in several nations and extremely popular on the civilian market.
 
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Well, after a long wait I finally, FINALLY have my Trijicon RMR mounted on my FK BRNO! It's a really sweet setup. My first time having an MRD mounted to one of my pistols, and I'm really digging it. Can't wait to take it to the range to pop It's cherry and get the optic zeroed.

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Report back when you do. Friend of mine has one and let me put a few mags through it and I found the recoil impulse very weird due to the weight. (he also had a MRD on it). Trigger also wasn't the best IIRC. Neat concept though.

As for the home defense conversation: What I've always said and will always say is that the best weapon for home defense is the one you're most comfortable with and best trained with. If that happens to be a bat, then maybe you're better off reaching for that bat instead of the 12 gauge. The important part is getting comfortable and training. If you think a loud noise in an enclosed space is gonna put you off your game when/if that time comes, consider either a suppressor for the gun you're most competent with, or stepping down in caliber with the same make/model and getting used to that. Either way, you need to get comfortable and (preferably) competent with whatever you plan on using for home defense. Sooner rather than later.

Stop putting off cleaning your gun. Stop putting off going to the range. Go to the range. Pay retarded ammo costs to get competent if you have to. Clean your gun after each trip. Do it now or do it soon, because 'I'll do it later' usually means 'I'll do it never'.
 
Report back when you do. Friend of mine has one and let me put a few mags through it and I found the recoil impulse very weird due to the weight. (he also had a MRD on it). Trigger also wasn't the best IIRC. Neat concept though.

As for the home defense conversation: What I've always said and will always say is that the best weapon for home defense is the one you're most comfortable with and best trained with. If that happens to be a bat, then maybe you're better off reaching for that bat instead of the 12 gauge. The important part is getting comfortable and training. If you think a loud noise in an enclosed space is gonna put you off your game when/if that time comes, consider either a suppressor for the gun you're most competent with, or stepping down in caliber with the same make/model and getting used to that. Either way, you need to get comfortable and (preferably) competent with whatever you plan on using for home defense. Sooner rather than later.

Stop putting off cleaning your gun. Stop putting off going to the range. Go to the range. Pay retarded ammo costs to get competent if you have to. Clean your gun after each trip. Do it now or do it soon, because 'I'll do it later' usually means 'I'll do it never'.

The trigger on mine feels great to me. Not as nice as the trigger on my Dan Wesson Specialist, but certainly better than most other autos. Just a hair of take-up, then breaks crisp at about 4 or 4 1/2 lbs. I really like it so far.
 
The trigger on mine feels great to me. Not as nice as the trigger on my Dan Wesson Specialist, but certainly better than most other autos. Just a hair of take-up, then breaks crisp at about 4 or 4 1/2 lbs. I really like it so far.
Weird. Friend's felt like an abused police auction Glock. Lot of slop. Might've been a QC issue, though. He's sent it in for a trigger job so I guess we'll see.
 
Russian HPs don't expand much more, if at all, than FMJ so there is functionally zero difference. Besides that, Tula is terrible ammo to even plink with.

7.62x39 I feel has the same issues .223/5.56 does with HD, it will kill the bad guy good, but what else is it going to go through?

EDIT

If you live someplace where your nearest neighbor is like a half mile away or something, the penetration argument goes out the window but just be aware that you'll still be poking holes in your home.
Frangible ammo exists and does a decent job breaking up in sheet rock. It gets into the tism sphere of if it's good enough for threat management.

One of my HD guns is a 16" AR with my can on it loaded with winchester silvertip 64gr. I am a single house so I'm not super worried.

People will always bicker what's best, I keep more than one on hand and I also know that rifle well so, I feel good with it. Really comes down to what you feel safest with and what you can use best. imho.

Also I really want to get that AR SBRed because it's tight to move (let alone correctly) with the can on the end. A bonus of the can (while still loud mind you) is no flash, so in an event of shooting there's a real good chance it'll be at night, and you won't blind yourself, unlike say... my ported glock that blinds me at fucking noon.
 
an option for people unable to unwilling to use a suppressor is to use a linear compensator. it will redirect gases forwards which can assist in reducing both blast/noise (their primary design feature for short barreled rifles) and flash while not actually being a flash hider. some muzzle devices that are advertised as brakes or compensators also have flash mitigation abilities.
 
Anyone know a list of gun stocks to invest in other than Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Big 5, Sportsman's Warehouse, American Outdoors and some stock called Ammo lol.

Winchester has like 20+ brands in .223, you gotta be more specific.
I believe I bought me some M193 Winchester 5.56mm in 55 grain and its advertised as target rounds with FMJ. However this one doesn't have the green tip though. The bullets look like they from reused brass.
 
Anyone know a list of gun stocks to invest in other than Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Big 5, Sportsman's Warehouse, American Outdoors and some stock called Ammo lol.


I believe I bought me some M193 Winchester 5.56mm in 55 grain and its advertised as target rounds with FMJ. However this one doesn't have the green tip though. The bullets look like they from reused brass.
You’re better off investing in Raytheon and LockMart. LockMart is standing to make a killing right now.
 
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