Meritocracy over Democracy?

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Now hold on..... being a good person correlates with being attractive? Evidence?
Because it's a good guess of someone's character as your appearance is an outward reflection of self, if they're fit and well groomed as well as intelligent they're a lot more likely to care about their local community and act on such ideals and less likely to be woke, more likely to come from a stable household and so on. There's a much stronger sense of brotherhood and community in the areas with a lot of those people.
 
Meritocracy is what the democrats believe in, in all honesty. Its modern incarnation is basically a form of technocracy, where doctors, scientists, engineers, psychologists, etc have the most input. Its basically surrendering control of the populist aspects of the state, for the deep state. The entrenched technocrats and bureaucrats run things. "We know better how to manage your life for you, so let us".

The democrats may be flawed, in that they award these positions to people simply entrenched in the system, but even at its best, technocracy with out government the way it currently is, is not something I'm a fan of.

Id propose something else. Turning back the clock.

In some ways, requiring land ownership to vote is a form of more elitist democracy, that plays on meritocracy, though it doesn't limit who can be voted for to the technocratic class. I'm actually surprisingly fine with an elitist form of democracy like this, under conditions.

Every man, woman, and child has a right to decide how to best live their life and do with it as they will, as long as they are not infringing upon other people's. Thats the way things used to be in the United States, with a much smaller government stepping much, much less into people's individual lives. The things that people voted on used to be foreign policy issues, or state security (whether internal or external), and what state security used to mean was a limited military, protecting people from native raids, and much less military spending. Theres plenty of debate on how big government should be,

but if you want a meritocracy where people with "merit" are the only ones who vote, and who vote on only higher level things, military budget, foreign entanglement, etc; and the state largely does not have any dictation over the individual person's life, I'm fine with that.

Individuals deserve representation if the state is to have significant dictation over their life, and theres no way around that. If you castrated the state and its ability to affect the average person's life, maybe then you could justify people with merit's monopoly over its remaining higher level functions. Frankly, thats how the US used to operate, with the state having nil to do with someone in the middle of the Kentucky territory, them not caring, and the fed just being around to represent the states at a higher level diplomatically, manage a smaller military, decide on federal laws that were largely hands off, and to make sure that states wern't at eachother's throats and act as an arbitrator.
 
Meritocracy is dumb because the people without merit should still have a say in government. In fact, everyone should. Free market of ideas, bitch. That's the American way 8)
 
Voting should be mandatory actually for college educated adults without a criminal record.
Mandatory voting is a shitty idea. You're forcing people who are the least informed and care the least to go in there and pull a lever. Why?
 
Voting should be mandatory actually for college educated adults without a criminal record.
You think that college makes them smarter than voters w/o higher education?

We tried socialism where workers have more priviliges than intellectuals. It didn't worked out.
We tried with nobles to lead the commoners for brighter future. Well, it had highs and lows but it also was didn't worked out.

The truth is if you make people to believe in system they will support any kind. Nazis gained power through democratic process because people belived them that they can provide their promises. Bolsheviks done some coup d'etas here and there but still masses agreed with them.

Meritocracy/democracy/plutocracy/technocracy/paidocracy you name it. These are only the means to control the people and people must be convinced that forced system is better than previous or any other.
 
The inherent problem with a meritocracy based on subjective criteria like “morality” or “investment in society” is that partisan interests in the government will simply define it in a way that benefits them and their societal power base.

Most meritocratic systems operating today have well defined metrics which are hard to misinterpret, such as profitability in the corporate world or test scores in academia. Trying to measure and define something as broad as “what kind of person is the best” using government bureaucracy is going to get a cruel, dysfunctional result almost no one will like.

Voting based on land ownership/real estate: “Bloomberg reports the FED has been legally barred from raising interest rates until further notice! Next on FOX Business: new social security program to pay for the rents of retirees!”

Voting based on military service: Sorry feminists. Sorry Medicare/SS dependents, but our new class of super carriers won’t pay for themselves”.

“As part of reparations for slavery, all Black Americans will be given 1.5 additional votes when they verify their ethnic status as part of their voter registration”

“Democrats have passed a bill removing voting restrictions based on past drug related convictions. Many believe this will help struggling addicts get the help and resources they need to overcome their unfortunate circumstances. As part of speaker for the house AOC’s promise, a new bill has been introduced banning members of the former NRA from voting, based on . . .”

“Hey guys let’s make votes based on net worth. 95% of the population will hate us but we’ll still get re-elected lol”

“All college graduates should have 3x the vote of uneducated people. This will help trans rights because . . .”

“Obviously millennials are poorer because they are naive, have poor impulse control and aren’t willing to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Them having less than half our voting power on average is only natural. Hey, did you hear about Mitt Romney’s plan to cut their SS benefits? Suckers!”
 
Meritocracy is what the democrats believe in, in all honesty. Its modern incarnation is basically a form of technocracy, where doctors, scientists, engineers, psychologists, etc have the most input. Its basically surrendering control of the populist aspects of the state, for the deep state. The entrenched technocrats and bureaucrats run things. "We know better how to manage your life for you, so let us".
Democrats don't believe in meritocracy, they believe in credentialism. The "deep state" that you consider to be peak technocracy are actually just the well connected failchildren of america's economic and political elites. Don't believe me? Janet Yellen's granddaughter works at the Treasury Department. Every single federal employee I know that's my age has a parent who works in the federal government.

Because these people are essentially riding off nepotism and cronyism, they need credentials that make them unassailable. You can't say Yellen's grandkid is a nepotism beneficiary-- she went to Yale and Stanford. Likewise, the idiot in charge of CDC is the failchild of a rapacious jewish government contractor but you'll never see the media mention that because she has a MD from johns hopkins.


Any meritocratic system needs accountability along with selection criteria. The US system has 0 accountability and 0 fucks given since the only way you'd get drummed out is buck the political line and not by doing a poor job in your stated job function.
 
Most meritocratic systems operating today have well defined metrics which are hard to misinterpret, such as profitability in the corporate world or test scores in academia. Trying to measure and define something as broad as “what kind of person is the best” using government bureaucracy is going to get a cruel, dysfunctional result almost no one will like.

This is why the only course of action is to choose your values and then implement them unapologetically. Test scores and IQ quotas aren't going to stop people from being ideological either.
 
Something like Plato's aristocracy would be a great improvement. I'd settle for basic intellect and morality checks, though.

I'm not saying only Einstein and Jesus should be allowed to vote, but retards and demons in human skin shouldn't be allowed to.
 
Meritocracy was just another scam sold to Boomers so they wouldn't question things and woudn't fight back as their businesses became infested with "the best men for the job" who all just so happened to both be Jewish and not actually believe in Meritocracy themselves.
 
"Meritocracy" isn't an actual system of government in the way that democracy, monarchy, theocracy, etc. are. It's more of a 'mission statement' to be used within one of those. A democracy where the voters do a really good job of picking worthy leaders could be considered a meritocracy, so could a military dictatorship where the established rulers promote officers based on skill and achievement rather than nepotism. There's no real way to build the system so this will be permanently safeguarded, it's an ethic that has to be maintained.

Though I do agree with the implication that America is quite far from this goal.
 
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