Metric vs Imperial

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I hate the Imperial system so much it's unreal. I'm not even bad at fractions or anything; it's just crazy to me that you people will be like "Ah yes. A foot." and use that as a standard of measurement. My ass has huge Frankenstein feet, any house I would've constructed during the colonization of America would've looked like a Tim Burrton set using that standard of measurement. Metric is just such an optimal system of measurement. Truly the white man's way of measurement.

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Imperial has a bunch of units that evolved based on what was useful to humans to serve a particular human purpose.

100000 centimeters in a kilometer may be easier to remember than 63360 inches in a mile, but there is literally zero use-case for this conversion factor. Inches were not developed to measure things scaled in miles and miles were not developed to measure things scales in inches. You do not use one for the the other and it is unlikely you would need to remember the conversion between them.

In some future when humans have colonized another planet, they're still going to have feet right there located at the ends of their legs. They're not going to have one 10 millionth of the distance between the north pole and the equator on a line passing through Paris, France. That is an extremely arbitrary and unhelpful basis for a system of measurement.

If you wanted to be fun and fancy, you develop a system of measurements motivated by making as many fundamental physical constants as possible be numbers that play nice. 1, ideally. Maybe e or ln or phi for some special cases.
 
Both have there uses, it would be stupid to use only one.
Yes, this is the right approach to standards.



Okay, so... Metric is mostly better in that it's consistent. It's consistent between geographical regions, it's consistent between different things you're measuring, it's consistent in its terminology. It is an actual standard whereas Imperial is a bunch of standards ( @Raven of the Burning God 's point shelved for a moment). However it is not the best standard. Most particularly because it is decimal based. Yes, we have 10 fingers and 10 toes and this is probably why we ended up with base 10 number system but 10 only has two factors. Most of the Imperial measurements are products of 3 or 4.

A very simple example is the pre-Decimalisation British pound. It had 240 pennies in it (or 20 shillings if you like). You're at a restaurant with friends and your meal costs £1. If there are two of you that's 120 pennies each, three of you 80 pennies, four of you 60 pennies, five of you 48 pennies, six of you 40 pennies, seven of you - oops, you have a remainder. But after that we're good again all the way up to 12. But if a pound is 100 pennies, your factors are two and five and ten.

That principle applies all over the place. Standard good, chosen standard bad.

But a mad adherence to standards isn't good either. As Ralph Waldo Emerson remarked: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Lets look at the world of computer hardware. It was a happy place with bits and bytes and nibbles and a kilobyte was 1024 bytes which made sense to anybody who actually worked with these things. Then the fucking Standards Institute hooked up with the marketing people (who realised that they could sell less for more if they changed 1024 to 1000) and thus was born the fucking abomination that is SI units for disk space, etc. Every actual fucking old school engineer like me carried on with the established standard meaning we used powers of two because that's what we were actually using and that's what the words meant to everybody in the field. The only people who were confused by the old standard were the people who didn't need to use it. But now we had a fracture with everybody outside it and a new generation of graduate midwits who liked to say "actually that's a mebibyte" driving me mad.

So short version of all this, metric is better in that it's an actual standard but it is sometimes over-applied and it wasn't the best standard that could be picked. Imperial has functional advantages but needs serious refactoring and consistency between regions. Right now it's Americans in their own little world able to go "fuck you" to the rest of the world over it because they choose to divert all their money into bombs and tanks rather than education and infrastructure. It's a choice, I guess.

Imperial has a bunch of units that evolved based on what was useful to humans to serve a particular human purpose.

100000 centimeters in a kilometer may be easier to remember than 63360 inches in a mile, but there is literally zero use-case for this conversion factor. Inches were not developed to measure things scaled in miles and miles were not developed to measure things scales in inches. You do not use one for the the other and it is unlikely you would need to remember the conversion between them.

In some future when humans have colonized another planet, they're still going to have feet right there located at the ends of their legs. They're not going to have one 10 millionth of the distance between the north pole and the equator on a line passing through Paris, France. That is an extremely arbitrary and unhelpful basis for a system of measurement.

If you wanted to be fun and fancy, you develop a system of measurements motivated by making as many fundamental physical constants as possible be numbers that play nice. 1, ideally. Maybe e or ln or phi for some special cases.
Yeah, from my own comments about megabytes, etc. I agree with some of what you say. But not to a degree that I would actually side with Imperial over Metric. The consistency is just too valuable. And for all the validity of what you say about inches vs. miles in the general case, there are far too many cases where you do need to scale up and down, especially in software you're writing, to hand wave away the inconsistencies. I'm not going to use inches or miles or yards for anything internal in a system.

I might entertain Imperial as the contender if it weren't for fucking cups. Every time I read an American recipe and they start talking about fucking cups I want to beat the crap out of somebody. Is it a measure of volume? Weight? "Yes" comes the meme reply. Consistent between substances? Oh, no! Different versions of cups between regions? Oh, absolutely. If you just wrote even Imperial measurements like fl. oz or oz. or something it would be at least something. But no - fucking "Cups". We're not trying on bras here! Sorry, stop using fucking cups and we'll talk.

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Metric is easier. No doubt about that but imperial was not some impenetrable mystery. It looks like that to people these days because they are never taught it. Look at vox pop media from 50 or 60 years ago (such as pre decimalisation UK) and it's truly impressive seeing the multi base mental calculations that the general population simply did as a matter of course. Compare that with vox pop media today and it's difficult to argue standards have improved.

And non base 10 mathematics is still necessary. Computing is an obvious example with the need to understand binary driven by the nature of the beast. Also 1MB = 1024 bytes because 2 to the 10th power; no scope for confusion there! Despite Napoleon's wishes, if you can tell me what time it will be 40 mins after 11:30 PM; congratulations. You've just performed a combined base 60 and base 12 calculation. Was it really that difficult?

Metric the white man's way of measurement? Imperial didn't seem to hold back the industrial revolution, British Empire or American Empire which pretty much exemplify the "white man's way".

Maybe it's just a coincidence that standards of basic mathematical competence have fallen with metrication but it's quite the correlation.
 
I'm an amerimutt that works in the medical field so I use both everyday for different things. How I best explain it to nonamerimutts is that for precise soyentific/medical measurements and quantitations, metric is better. For conversational and loose approximations of things like "Jerry's house is about a couple miles away" or "I'm about 6 feet tall" that are imprecise and give you an idea of things is what is useful about imperial. Saying "i'm 192 cm tall" conversationally is clunky and sounds autistic.
 
Metric system is superior because it's easy to figure shit out. I wish they taught it to us in school as more than just an afterthought. I think we should metrify time too. The French Revolutionary Calendar had some great ideas. Ten day weeks, ten hour days, and a big fuck you to Planet Earth we can't metrify the length of seasons and the year...yet.
Inches were not developed to measure things scaled in miles and miles were not developed to measure things scales in inches. You do not use one for the the other and it is unlikely you would need to remember the conversion between them.

In some future when humans have colonized another planet, they're still going to have feet right there located at the ends of their legs. They're not going to have one 10 millionth of the distance between the north pole and the equator on a line passing through Paris, France. That is an extremely arbitrary and unhelpful basis for a system of measurement.

If you wanted to be fun and fancy, you develop a system of measurements motivated by making as many fundamental physical constants as possible be numbers that play nice. 1, ideally. Maybe e or ln or phi for some special cases.
My foot is larger than one feet long because I'm not a manlet. Women have feet smaller than one foot. Shaquille O'Neil has enormous elephant feet. So why should someone's foot have any relation to a foot? If something is 100 feet away from me, it's not literally 100 paces. Even football fields make more sense as a unit of measurement.

Not to mention the retardation with units of volume. Cups and pints and ounces (not the ones used for weight), and then in engineering/scientific use you get dumb shit like an "acre foot" which doesn't even make sense. And then other garbage like measuring gold in troy ounces instead of normal ounces. And it got even worse when they tried to adopt modern science to the Imperial system, that's where you get nonsense like "poundals." What the fuck's a poundal? Newtons make a hell of a lot more sense. We should be glad they didn't make dumb Imperial units for volts and ohms and shit otherwise electricians would be getting zapped left and right.
Okay, so... Metric is mostly better in that it's consistent. It's consistent between geographical regions, it's consistent between different things you're measuring, it's consistent in its terminology. It is an actual standard whereas Imperial is a bunch of standards ( @Raven of the Burning God 's point shelved for a moment). However it is not the best standard. Most particularly because it is decimal based. Yes, we have 10 fingers and 10 toes and this is probably why we ended up with base 10 number system but 10 only has two factors. Most of the Imperial measurements are products of 3 or 4.
Base 10 is really arbitrary and only recently invented. Germanic tribes originally used Base 12 and that's why it's "eleven" and "twelve" and not "oneteen" and "twoteen." They'd count the knuckles on four of their fingers (not the thumb). Ancient Celts used Base 20, so that's why the French (Gauls) say "quatre-vingts" ("four twenties") for "eighty."
 
One thing I never got was the insistence that Celsius was unambiguously better than Fahrenheit. It's temperature so it is all one scale anyways, no conversion factors to take into account. And in the grand scheme of physics, taking water as the measure is ultimately just as arbitrary as mercury (hence why Kelvin exists), but Celsius doesnt even technically use water as the basis for 0 and 100 under the current SI system.
 
The imperial system was developed naturally and so it fits poetically.
Go serenade a girl about having a smile a kilometer wide and see where that gets you.

Metric is good for drugs I’ll give it that. Got to love the true USA system which is a damn mix of both, soda comes in liters but milk in gallons, weed in ounces but crack in grams.

Imperial also allows amusing things like “he was six foot sixty” and such shit.

If the French faggots had had some balls they would have redone everything base 12 instead.
 
Americans: respect and venerate our heroic Greek ancestors by using a system with beautiful ratios and fractions, all inspired by the divine creation they experience and participate in. Glorifies the gods and has a sliver of divinity at its core

Europoors: Retarded mutant faggots too stupid to perform basic arithmetic so they have to use a system developed by degenerate French atheists because it's "easier" (they still use the old measurements for time). They hate all beauty, the light of life burns their ghoulish eyes and skin. Posts on Reddit in between rounds of worshiping muslims
 
I've spent too much time memorizing the imperial conversation tree of life to have some faggot tea drinker take it away from me.
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*Kinda free, definitely more free than you
It looks like something from Qaballah with its tree of Sephirot. Crowley would be delighted.
 
Americans don't even use imperial measurements, we use U.S. customary units. It's the limeys and their third-world former colonies that use imperial. The two systems have a lot of overlap, but they're not the same. For example, Americans don't measure people's weights in "stone," because that's some weird Neanderthal shit that only fog-breathing, buck-toothed monarchist scum would do.

I'm in a STEM job, and I have to use metric and US customary units interchangeably. A lot of US units have some obscure or archaic derivations, like tons of cooling or feet of pump head. They're still perfectly usable unless you're the kind of pedantic Reddit autist who has to stop what he's doing to rage about how they were derived. I've never met another engineer who gives a shit that horsepower wasn't derived from some convenient base-10 formula or atomic vibration period or whatever. It's something only pedantic Redditors care about, because they read too much xkcd when they were younger, and it broke their brains.
 
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