Echoes of Wisdom was a better Zelda game than either of Breath of the Wild or Tears of the Kingdom. I don't know, Nintendo clearly likes Zelda better, so they're unlikely to let someone fuck it up so badly, ignoring the Phillips games.
Dude they even made part of the 100% "secret ending" a piece of the showcase material.
I can certainly agree that BOTW/TOTK weren't Zelda games.
The multiple planets is fine, it's the fact they're broken into multiple sections that make you walk back to the ship I find annoying. I'd rather one large level per planet.
That's a hot and spicy take
It is? I wrote about it in the Zelda thread, but they really achieved the kind of gameplay they've been wanting for the Zelda games. The monster and item collection mechanic makes it possible to play the game out of order, without it feeling cheap, since the necessary ingredients for the puzzles can be provided as set pieces and enemies. They achieved the gameplay mechanic where there are multiple ways to solve the puzzles, but without the issue where every puzzle felt horrible. I even surprised myself by noticing completely different solutions to some puzzles than I saw other people using, which had never occurred to me. Ultimately, these games are still intended to be played by ten year olds, so it wasn't hard or anything, but I think they did a really good job with it.
Fusion is like this too, to be fair (for anyone not familiar, you have to Power Bomb the floor at the start to continue).
as much as Tears of the Kingdom isn't a Zelda game.. boy did I have fun playing it.
Yeah, it's not really a Zelda game, and the story is shit. It's not a bad game, but it was still a disappointment. Hey, this is what I'm seeing people say about Metroid Prime 4!
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the story was fine, lots of shintoism which is pretty alien to the series was present in both the themes, and story beats, brief as they are.
2 games of Zelda apparently making a "big sacrifice" in another time only for it to be undone with zero consequences by the end. You say blissfully unaware, I say bad worldbuilding. Especially when all the sheikah tech was just Ctrl-Z'd away. And remember Nintendo said, "fuck the old lore" all so they could ""start fresh"" with their new ubisoft canon. That means people cannot double dip into the better old Zelda games anymore. You are stuck with just BOTW and TOTK lore, which is pretty piss poor lore. Enjoy furries and a negress being the progenitors of all Hyrule now... oh, and lots of shitskin Hylians - in addition to the Gerudo just being made into more shitskin Hylians. Shit is a mess.
Played through some more over the last few days. I like the tension that builds up as you go through the lab. It reminds me of the Phendrana Drifts Space Pirate lab in Prime 1. You see a lot of the Lamorn’s failed experiments on the Grievers and lots of potential enemy encounters once the power turns on. I wish that the key hunting was a little more of a puzzle than it turned out to be (you’re really just looking to scan the correct thing to progress). The chain bridge was a cool setpiece. The puzzle to turn the power on was okay, but really just a test of your timing and control with the control beam. Had to stop after the power returned.
Reading about their original ideas for Prime 3 is part of why my expectations for Prime 4 have been low for a while now. Prime 1 was good because Retro was scared of fucking up and pissing off Nintendo so they kept most of their shitty ideas out of it and just made a 3d Super Metroid. For some reason, instead of just continuing to do that, they decided they needed to start shoving their shitty ideas into Metroid starting with Prime 2. Prime 3 was even worse and 4 just looks straight up retarded just from the little I've seen of it.
The big difference between Prime 1 and Prime 4 (and really the other ones as well) is that, while every game in the series is honestly linear, Prime 1 does a good job of making that straight line hard to notice. Prime 2 starts the trend of streamlining the games by having the zones broken up into neat divisible areas that are somewhat interconnected overtime. Prime 3 streamlines further with making each area a discrete instance with very little ambiguity on where to go next to complete the game. Prime 4 goes the furthest by taking the Prime 3 approach but having a space between everything where it is clear where to go next even without instruction from the GF soldiers.