Infected MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way

The tradcath shit is all a bandwagon LARP, put on as a coping mechanism by frustrated sexual deviants. In other words, moralistic therapeutic deism. They are the megachurch boomers they hate. Probably worse because at least evangelicucks don't want to fuck anime furries.
That's really what it comes down to. They don't reject evangelicalism out of any sense of principle or theology. It's because evangelicalism doesn't have a cool enough "aesthetic" for their larping. For all of the faults within American evangelicalism, they aren't likely to endorse the degeneracy that comes from "waifu" culture.

As for moral therapeutic deism, it's not even that. At least in MTD, there's an allowance for divine intervention, if only to get the house, car, or job that you want. I have rarely, if ever, heard about providence or divine intervention from TradCats. They seem to approach prayers like mantras, if they pray at all.
There are SO many whiny trad guys online complaining that they can't get a girlfriend. A lot of them can't even talk to a girl irl. They talk about how they're 'discerning' their 'vocation' which also means 'pretending to be interested in joining the priesthood as a way to explain why you're still single'. I even saw a seminarian call them out on Twitter once for this--he said authentic discernment involves action, including asking girls out.

There's also way more gay Trad Caths than you would think, inasmuch as the number you would think there would be is approximately zero. I read a poem by one of them once about Jesus and it was porn in poem form. It was uncomfortable.
Exactly. I will contend that most of these people joined their Catholic parish as a means of meeting a real life trad waifu. The reality is that most lay Catholics tend to be cultural or cafeteria Catholics, and it's harder to find the kind of pure, virgin, white girlfriend that they want to have.
Here's a confession: I'm in love with a man. What? I'm in love with a man... a man named God. Does that make me gay? Am I gay for God? You betcha.
As much as this is a meme at this point, there are a lot of closeted Catholics, and not just in the priesthood. In reference to TradCats, I think the appeal of Catholicism is the showiness, the decadence, and over all, dare I say, "effeminate" nature of it. Given the fact that TradCats also fetishize authoritarianism...well, you get the picture.
 
That's really what it comes down to. They don't reject evangelicalism out of any sense of principle or theology. It's because evangelicalism doesn't have a cool enough "aesthetic" for their larping. For all of the faults within American evangelicalism, they aren't likely to endorse the degeneracy that comes from "waifu" culture.

As for moral therapeutic deism, it's not even that. At least in MTD, there's an allowance for divine intervention, if only to get the house, car, or job that you want. I have rarely, if ever, heard about providence or divine intervention from TradCats. They seem to approach prayers like mantras, if they pray at all.

Exactly. I will contend that most of these people joined their Catholic parish as a means of meeting a real life trad waifu. The reality is that most lay Catholics tend to be cultural or cafeteria Catholics, and it's harder to find the kind of pure, virgin, white girlfriend that they want to have.

As much as this is a meme at this point, there are a lot of closeted Catholics, and not just in the priesthood. In reference to TradCats, I think the appeal of Catholicism is the showiness, the decadence, and over all, dare I say, "effeminate" nature of it. Given the fact that TradCats also fetishize authoritarianism...well, you get the picture.
There are trad waifus to be had at the trad parishes, but the guys, in characteristic incel fashion, have totally unrealistic expectations. I saw a guy saying Catholic girls need to stop 'dressing like Puritans'. If you join an extremely conservative church, women aren't going to wear tons of makeup and tight clothes. It's a pretty universal part of extremely conservative churches.

That having been said, the women don't always have realistic expectations either. The issue is that the desired TradCat family structure is so outside of the current American norm that it's hard for people to deal with. Let me explain.

My general observation is that there are two main childrearing/family set ups in America today.

#1: People have kids young. They're not married. It's common for the couple to split up soon after the child is born, or for them to not really have been a couple in the first place. Women are both the primary caregiver and the primary breadwinner, often even if she still lives with the baby's father. She expects this going in, at least subconsciously. A lot of people have 3+ children, potentially with multiple partners. This does not have a huge impact on the mother's career, because her 'career' is entirely low wage jobs. She is not worrying about paying for Montessori preschool. Standards of living are low.

#2: People have kids after 30. They are married, and they were in a relationship for several years before marriage. Both the man and the woman have fairly well paying jobs. The woman might stay home for a while after the children are born, but her becoming a stay-at-home-mom until they're 18 is unlikely. Family sizes are small. The woman does care about the impact on her career, and both parents are worried about being able to afford the niceties of middle class life and, of course, college tuition. Standards of living are higher.

What these two have in common is the man is not solely supporting the woman, and the woman is not solely dependent on the man. In #1, you have a lot of freedom when it comes to partner choice and parenting. In #2, you have less--especially for women, since they have a shorter period of fertility--but you do have more financial security.

The traditional structure, however, is get married young, have lots of kids, and the man is the sole means of income. And if you're Catholic, if you get divorced, you can't get remarried or you're committing adultery. It's scary for the woman because it'll be way harder for her to get out of an abusive situation if she doesn't have money, and it's scary for the man because he's looking at supporting 6, 7, 8 kids on one salary.

The other issue is that everyone's desired standard of living is a lot higher than it was in 1963. Pre-Vatican II American Catholic life meant crowded tenements with one bedroom for the girls and one for the boys.

The other other thing about Pre-Vatican II American Catholic life is that everyone lived near each other, jammed into America's still-industrial cities. You had a village to help raise the children. I've seen a lot of TradCat women online saying they feel so incredibly lonely. A lot of them drive an hour to go to the Latin mass. A lot of these churches don't even have coffee hour after! This is where TradJews win--they're not allowed to drive to the synagogue, so they all live within walking distance, and consequently, they have a community. And they've also turned previously normal Jewish neighborhoods into Hasidic ones because of this (and in some of the most expensive parts of the country!), whereas TradCats don't have the same incentive to do that.
 
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I like how confident they are in saying such obviously untrue things, lol.

I love how these men can't wrap their heads around the fact that some women are only interested in women. No, they have to secretly want to be railed by "alpha males."
 
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I like how confident they are in saying such obviously untrue things, lol.

I love how these men can't wrap their heads around the fact that some women are only interested in women. No, they have to secretly want to be railed by "alpha males."
Yeah, lesbians that want kids are able to have kids without turning straight. Sperm donation is a thing, as is adoption, or hell, taking a dick once to get pregnant and then never again. Just because they’re lesbian doesn’t mean that they’re incapable of bearing children, dumbass.
 
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I like how confident they are in saying such obviously untrue things, lol.

I love how these men can't wrap their heads around the fact that some women are only interested in women. No, they have to secretly want to be railed by "alpha males."
The reason for this is that lesbians want to prove they're not lesbians by getting pregnant, or they're trying to deny that they're lesbians. Gay teen boys also have a higher rate of getting girls pregnant. I'm honestly extremely skeptical of this and as far as I know it comes from one single study that was published when America was significantly less accepting of gay teens, but there you go.

I'm also perpetually confused by their idea that men simply won't fuck women over 30 if they're not already married to them. I wonder what region/social background MGTOWs are most likely to come from--there are cultural groups in the US (e.g., white coastal yuppies) where the average age of first marriage is over 30, and I don't think it's that everyone has really long engagements.
 
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“Women are not attractive at all. It’s our testosterone that is fooling us.”

Lmao, is it cramped in that closet? I wonder what the percentage of closeted gay men in the manosphere is, I bet it’s pretty high.

Also his animal analogy isn’t even accurate, in many species the females are stronger/have more power than the males. In bees and ants, all the workers are female and the sole purpose of the males is to impregnate a queen and then die. Elephants and orcas are matriarchal. In many fish species, the females are larger than the males (one of the most notable examples is the anglerfish. Only female anglerfish look like what we picture anglerfish to look like; the males are tiny and attach themselves to their mate, slowly dissolving into her over time).
 
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“Women are not attractive at all. It’s our testosterone that is fooling us.”

Lmao, is it cramped in that closet? I wonder what the percentage of closeted gay men in the manosphere is, I bet it’s pretty high.

Also his animal analogy isn’t even accurate, in many species the females are stronger/have more power than the males. In bees and ants, all the workers are female and the sole purpose of the males is to impregnate a queen and then die. Elephants and orcas are matriarchal. In many fish species, the females are larger than the males (one of the most notable examples is the anglerfish. Only female anglerfish look like what we picture anglerfish to look like; the males are tiny and attach themselves to their mate, slowly dissolving into her over time).

Female mantises are also much larger than the males and if they feel like it, will eat them once they're done mating with them.
 
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“Women are not attractive at all. It’s our testosterone that is fooling us.”

Lmao, is it cramped in that closet? I wonder what the percentage of closeted gay men in the manosphere is, I bet it’s pretty high.

Also his animal analogy isn’t even accurate, in many species the females are stronger/have more power than the males. In bees and ants, all the workers are female and the sole purpose of the males is to impregnate a queen and then die. Elephants and orcas are matriarchal. In many fish species, the females are larger than the males (one of the most notable examples is the anglerfish. Only female anglerfish look like what we picture anglerfish to look like; the males are tiny and attach themselves to their mate, slowly dissolving into her over time).
Or they're bitter that hot chicks won't fuck them.

Found a post from 4 months ago on r/MGTOW by a guy saying he's reading The Way of Men by Jack Donovan, also known as the gay guy who's a former go-go dancer and does black velvet paintings but calls himself an androphile 'cause he's too butch to be gay.
 
I'm also perpetually confused by their idea that men simply won't fuck women over 30 if they're not already married to them.
Over 30? You mean over 24, since that's their sell-by date... at least according to this eloquent gentleman who has absolutely nothing against bitc--I mean, women.
 
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^I think that's because these weirdos have some odd ideas about women like how they think like incels and think that all women are fucking hundreds of men in their late teens/early twenties and then want to marry a beta husband when their like 25+. It's so comical and unoriginal. I swear some these guys are trolls/parody accounts because of how predictable they are. Like take this guy for example:
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I can't even tell if he's real or a parody/troll account. Either would make sense because of how narcissist and crazy a lot of MGTOWs are.
 
^I think that's because these weirdos have some odd ideas about women like how they think like incels and think that all women are fucking hundreds of men in their late teens/early twenties and then want to marry a beta husband when their like 25+. It's so comical and unoriginal. I swear some these guys are trolls/parody accounts because of how predictable they are. Like take this guy for example:
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I can't even tell if he's real or a parody/troll account. Either would make sense because of how narcissist and crazy a lot of MGTOWs are.
LOL his account is suspended.
 
^I think that's because these weirdos have some odd ideas about women like how they think like incels and think that all women are fucking hundreds of men in their late teens/early twenties and then want to marry a beta husband when their like 25+. It's so comical and unoriginal. I swear some these guys are trolls/parody accounts because of how predictable they are. Like take this guy for example:
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I can't even tell if he's real or a parody/troll account. Either would make sense because of how narcissist and crazy a lot of MGTOWs are.
How dare this absolute roastie bitch I met when she was 26 not have thrown herself at me when she was 23? Fucking whore clearly didn't love me before she knew I existed
 
hickorydickory said:
What is the average age of a MGTOW member?
Gen X birth years, with some Boomer men in the background. The Gen Y ones are much less hateful. The most extremes are always Xers.

I've been in some of the darkest corners of this movement's internet presence. This one was unique. Most of it wasn't archived enough sadly. https://web.archive.org/web/20111102025358/http://forum.mens-rights.net/

Created by Chris Key, an Aussie MRA that had to take it down in 2014 because he said his obsessive compulsive disorder was now unbearable. The members 'bobx23456', 'dcm', 'outdoors', and 'Gears' were most extreme. Check out Bobx's blog. He was the son of a first wave feminist mother who he never forgave. Some fun examples:

http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2009/12/happy-marc-lepine-day.html
Happy Marc Lepine Day

December 6 is celebrated around the world in English speaking countries as


International Marc Lepine Day
It seem that almost every week some distraught suicidal young man takes a rifle or pistol and shoots people at a school, a shopping mall, or a city. These are called horrible events by our media, and invariably used as reasons to hate men by the feminists, their blue gun thug Gestapo, and their talking head lackeys. The young men are almost always emotionally distraught, driven to desperation by a feminazi society that has tried to trample him into dust.

Every year, every month, every day, every hour, men are driven to suicide by the evil feminazi hate machine. From his early years in school young boys are taught that they are bad, stupid, and meaningless just because they are boys. Girls get all the privileges adoration and attention. He is called stupid, a rapist, a bully, a worthless drudge, and that's before he gets to second grade. He usually has no father in his home to give him a positive model for a young man. His father has been driven out by his feminist mother, who also teaches him that boys are hated by females. Single mothers abuse boys with neglect, beatings, and beatings in numbers that far surpass any other child abuse, so he probably has been violently abused all his life. Feminist mothers constantly teach their children that their fathers are bad, “abusive” and evil. Millions of boys suffer from Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS) because they have been taught to hate their fathers, and by extension to hate themselves.

At school he continued to be treated like a second class citizen. When Marc Lepine tried to enroll in a technical school he learned that feminists got preference in admission and financial support. Females don't even belong in technical schools. They will never have the mental capacity, imagination, and will to return the cost of their education to the society. Females occupy chairs that ought to go to men who will contribute to the society. But feminist dogma pretends that females are just men with cunts, and gives them preference over real men. As a young man Marc was denied and rejected. Marc lived in Canada, a completely feminist dominated country. He accurately assessed that most of his life long problems were the fruits of an evil misandrist system gone completely mad. Out of desperation and despair Marc Lepine began to fight back against the feminist army that had ruined his life and denied him the opportunity to become a productive member of adult society. He went to the technical college and stood up against the war on men and began firing back.

Feminists argue that the feminists who were killed on December 6 by Marc Lepine were just innocent females in school. Nonsense. Each of them was a foot soldier in the feminist war on men. Each of them was pretending to be a man, taking a man's space in a limited number of technical school enrollments. None of them were working toward a decent life as a wife and mother. All of them were practicing the hate and destruction of feminism. Marc Lepine didn't just shoot everyone at the technical school. He carefully selected only the feminists and gave the others time to get out of the way. Feminists are afraid of being targeted by men of courage, but their day is coming. They try to hide and pretend that Marc Lepine was “attacking women” but he was specifically attacking feminists.

Some argue that the feminists killed by Marc Lepine were not the leaders of feminism and should not have been killed. There is some merit in that argument but in all modern wars the generals are never the front line troops. They watch from the hilltops and home offices as legions of foot soldiers fight their battles. In order for the generals to be attacked the legions of foot soldiers must first be eliminated. It was the front line feminist troops that Marc Lepine confronted and fought back against, not the leaders and generals who were safe in their government offices. It was the feminist foot soldiers who had put their bodies between Marc Lepine and the education he had been denied, and it was those front line feminist troops who bore the brunt of his counter attack. When a conquering army is wrecking havoc on a population it is not reasonable to excuse the foot soldiers out doing the damage because they aren't the generals giving the orders. The foot soldiers, the feminist bitches in the front lines, are not excused because they just followed orders and practiced the misandrist war on men.

The thought that a MAN could stand up and fight the feminist onslaught instead of quietly being driven to suicide as so many men die every day has been very frightening to feminists. They have used December 6 as a banner day of increased hatred of men. In Canada the counter attack against feminism is remembered by their talking head lackeys as a day for stopping violence against females. They never talk about ending their violent destructive war on men and boys. They deny the responsibility of feminism as the underlying cause of violence and destruction in our land.

Throughout our land the blue gun thugs have become the femiNazi Gestapo. When a femiNazi wants to take your children, take your money, or bind you into slavery, it is not she but the blue shirt Gestapo that come to your home, destroy your family, take your children, and drag off millions of men to Folsom, Walla Walla, Auschwitz, Attica, or hell by some other name. This week we read about a man who fought back against the blue Gestapo and became another HERO of the people. Fighting back against the femiNazi and their minions will be a long struggle but men who sacrifice themselves in the front lines are not forgotten.

It is very important for MEN who are beginning a long struggle aginst the evil destruction of feminism to celebrate International Marc Lepine Day. It is important for us to fling their evil back in their hateful faces.

When an evil bitch accuses a men of “advocating rape,” or “supporting abuse,” “violence against women,” etc., etc., etc., the weak response is to cower before her accusations and deny that he had any such intention. The weak response is to point to “those men over there” as the bad men and cower in a corner. That denial affirms her power and domination over men, affirms her right to decide when men are bad, while relegating men to a place of powerless acceptance of her feminist misandry. The POWERFUL reply is to own her criticism and respond with something like, “You better believe it, cunt!” The response of power denies her dominate place to rule over men, it rejects her authority to tell men what to think and feel, and it tells her that MEN won't accept feminazi domination. By reacting with power we don't accept their hate, judgment, and condemnation, and in fact it lets them know that we may utterly destroy them if they don't stop their misandry. Tell them to pound sand.

That is why it is so important to celebrate International Marc Lepine Day We must throw their “Violence Against Women” hate speech right back in their faces and tell them that men won't be cowered by their hate. We MEN won't accept females telling us what to think and feel. We won't accept their hate dogma that tells us men are bad just for being born. They can take their hate speech and cram it where the sun doesn't shine.

Yes, the shooting and violence in our schools, malls, cities is bad, but the underlying cause is feminist domination and destruction of boys and young men. Until the cause is confronted and defeated the shooting and death is going to get worse. We can help to reduce the violence by confronting and ending violent feminist destruction as quickly as possible. When we cower and accept feminist hate we encourage more and more violence. Only by standing up and confronting the hateful bitches can we let them know we reject their misandry.

We need to be public, to let our elected representatives that we the people do not accept feminist domination, that we won't vote for feminist lackeys. Today is a day for every MAN to write a letter to his Congresscunt and local media talking head and letting them know we are watching and celebrating. Today is a day for MEN to stand up and be counted.


Happy St. Marc's Day to everyone.
 
^I think that's because these weirdos have some odd ideas about women like how they think like incels and think that all women are fucking hundreds of men in their late teens/early twenties and then want to marry a beta husband when their like 25+. It's so comical and unoriginal. I swear some these guys are trolls/parody accounts because of how predictable they are. Like take this guy for example:
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I can't even tell if he's real or a parody/troll account. Either would make sense because of how narcissist and crazy a lot of MGTOWs are.
This is a troll, although where is the line when it comes to pretending to be exceptional?
 
I don't think this man has anything nice to say about women. He has said in the past that women can't do anything better than men and that women are nothing but men's incubators.
 
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Women are much more physically attractive than men. Even straight women will tell you that.

Men can be beautiful but a beautiful woman is just way more physically appealing to look at.

Most gay dudes still admire beautiful women. He has to be a very strong level of gay to hold that opinion.
 
This thread is a goldmine of cows being angry at MGTOWs and screeching feminist lies. Claiming MGTOW is white supremacist is like going to a KFC and saying all the customers are aliens. MGTOW's biggest voices are non-white and the userbase is heavily black. How insane do you have to be to spend all your time obsessing over these guys and not see that? Most the MGTOW big voices came out against the racialism and it caused a split with Thinking Ape when he went in that direction and all his brown friends tried to stop him.

The comments of wanting a traditional wife and "just go to a church bro" doesn't work in the real world. Most churches today do not stick to their religion and are mostly just social norms with a bit of God to justify it rather than Atheism. You're not going to find a traditional wife who lives in a modern country (Western or other wise). If it was so easy as to just turn up to church then no one would have the shit fits they do online about it. Finding a traditional woman takes a shit load of effort and even then it's rare and they have high competition for obvious reasons. Preacher's daughters are still sending people nude photos of them and they're still being told it's normal to have a few boyfriends and to get a full time career (take a few years off when you're 30 and want a kid, you can afford day care there). Hell how many women can even cook for themselves today let alone a family? We're on the 2nd/3rd generation of kids raised on fast food. Granny couldn't cook, Mom can't cook so the childs not going to have either role model (neither of which are likely around any way) to teach them.

Depending on your politics you can very easily prove women destroyed the USA's ideals by being given political power. The US was a very libetarian society which it's clearly not now. Women will vote for poor economy policies which end up hurting them and the country on the whole a lot easier than men will. Women think free shit is good so more free shit is better, men think they don't want their taxes to pay for other people's free shit and that's the core argument most MGTOW make (or at least used to). I don't agree with MGTOW on much these days but this thread stinks of feminists throwing the same bullshit round they always do. Screaming racist and sexist and how every man who doesn't want them must be a virgin who can't get laid. Talk to any straight man who's ever had a girlfriend and he'll tell you women are a pain in the ass, they will drive you up the goddamn wall. And some of you just can't understand that some men don't want to deal with that shit and would rather not deal with women. Same way there's people who would rather not deal with sharks but they still like watching documentaries on them. If mainstream society could discuss biology openly then MGTOW wouldn't exist.
 
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