Infected MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way

I'll agree about being screwed over by shitty men. Not the courts, though. Courts do not cater to men. Not for many many years. As for being a dick, what's dickish about merely disengaging? If they were calling for laws to cement MGTOW or other systemic biases against women, that'd be different. And therien lies the difference.
The courts do in some cases. Eg Like the flds cult and their treatment of women, and they had no help from the courts. And there was a case iirc where some footballer raped a girl and the courts did nothing, and anon ended up retaliating. That's off the top of my head. Point being, the courts aren't always going to side with the women even she is abused or raped or whatever. There are villains and victims on both sides

There is nothing dickish about disengaging, you want to be single and go have some hobby with cars or fishing or whatever more power to you. but that is not what mgtow does. They call for either women everywhere to be banned from working or being independent, for women's rights to be removed, they call for women to be eradicated and replaced by "artificial wombs" and they call for women to be driven to homelessness and desperation just so the mgtows in question can gloat over them. Not individual women that may or may not have done them wrong mind you but all women including the majority of which haven't done shit to to them.

Is that fair? Sounds dickish to me.

MGTOWs do NOT advocate women being house-slaves. They want nothing to do with women at all. Having a wife as a houseslave necessitates having a wife in the first place, which is completely anathema to MGTOW.
Have you read this thread? According mgtow being a house wife is all a woman is good for. Fucking is all women are good for.
 
The courts do in some cases. Eg Like the flds cult and their treatment of women, and they had no help from the courts. And there was a case iirc where some footballer raped a girl and the courts did nothing, and anon ended up retaliating. That's off the top of my head. Point being, the courts aren't always going to side with the women even she is abused or raped or whatever. There are villains and victims on both sides

There is nothing dickish about disengaging, you want to be single and go have some hobby with cars or fishing or whatever more power to you. but that is not what mgtow does. They call for either women everywhere to be banned from working or being independent, for women's rights to be removed, they call for women to be eradicated and replaced by "artificial wombs" and they call for women to be driven to homelessness and desperation just so the mgtows in question can gloat over them. Not individual women that may or may not have done them wrong mind you but all women including the majority of which haven't done shit to to them.

Is that fair? Sounds dickish to me.
Any proof of these claims you make about calls for women's rights (NOT their privileges) to be removed, etc? Been involved in MR circles for years and have honestly never seen a whiff of that. Or is this a chimera like "death/rape threats" that are never backed up with evidence? I've only ever seen people calling for actual equality and the end of the stranglehold 3rd wave, SJW feminist extremism has on the laws and the courts. I'd welcome some examples.
Also, no MGTOW would want a wife for ANY reason, as being married is 100% anathema to MGTOW.
 
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^Sounds like something someone from the alt-right would say and not MGTOW but the two do overlap in many ways. Still think these weirdos talk way too much about women for someone's who supposedly "going their own way." They say it's to educate other men but the only men who are going to even be looking at those sites are people who want to be MGTOW or are MGTOW-like.
 
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Lol he actually pointed a gun at his tv cause he was triggered by seeing a woman
Edit: I’m an exceptional individual, but not as big a one as this dude
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Some choice caps between pages 37-44.

Its late I have work tomorrow. I can try doing something more comprehensive later if you want.
 
Some choice caps between pages 37-44.

Its late I have work tomorrow. I can try doing something more comprehensive later if you want.
Just wondering, would you be so critical of victimised women who have no interest in engaging with men? You know, since you won't provide proof of what you're alleging about MGTOW men?
 
From what I was able to gather for the MGTOW special of the National Geographic Kiwi Farms Edition, you two are both right and wrong at the same time. The question to what degree women's rights should get taken away to unfuck society is very nuanced. You will of course encounter men who believe that the only way is a hard patriarchy like we have in nature or Immortan Joe. Others however expressed more reasonable demands such as abolishing the family court, alimony, child support, welfare and diversity hiring. Turd Flinging Monkey for instance has made "Take Women's Rights Away" his de facto catchphrase even though he advocates (mostly) for a net taxpayer based voting system (though he is a story on his own...). However, one important thing to note is that this doesn't apply to MGTOW per se, but the entire manosphere which sometimes overlaps with the far right, but for the wrong reasons.

In the context of MGTOW, the topic of women's rights usually takes place within discussions of the cost-benefit analysis as many men decide that the legal and social risks are not worth it in this day and age (these guys make a great chunk of MGTOW, especially the younger ones). And to repeat once more what I posted before: MGTOW on its own is in the end men avoiding marriage and/or dating for whatever reason they see fit. That is all. Everything else is optional.
^Sounds like something someone from the alt-right would say and not MGTOW but the two do overlap in many ways. Still think these weirdos talk way too much about women for someone's who supposedly "going their own way." They say it's to educate other men but the only men who are going to even be looking at those sites are people who want to be MGTOW or are MGTOW-like.
While there tends to be some overlap between these two, MGTOW is mostly at odds with the alt-right/far right or any other traditionalist ideology funnily enough. Traditionalists consider MGTOW to be whiny quitters that need to "man up" while MGTOW are disgruntled at traditionalists for offering them no solutions but only platitudes that are basically muh white race and Jesus.
 
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Reasonable reasons to not want a relationship: "I need time to work on myself and be happy with who I am as a person before getting into a relationship/I'm happier being single/I don't need to have a significant other to feel complete/romantic relationships are a lot of work."

Unreasonable reasons to not want a relationship: "Women are all harpies who are out to destroy men/all women will betray you eventually/women will ruin your life/I hate women."

MGTOW is usually a toxic ideology because it enables men to demonize an entire sex consisting of billions of people because they had one shitty relationship. I think it's an inherently unhealthy ideology. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be single, and I'd love to see that be more accepted by society because right now there's a lot of pressure on people to have a romantic partner. But if you're single because you're convinced people (especially those of the opposite sex) are out to get you, you need help.

I don't think this just applies to men, btw. If there was a woman who had been victimized by men who was now fearful and bitter about men I would encourage her to get help, too. Hating and fearing an entire gender (or race, or religion, or whatever) because of the actions of a few is no way to go through life.
 
I think what everyone needs to remember is that MGTOW itself is not a monolith, just as women or men are not monoliths. Men in MGTOW fall into a whole host of positions. Most men get into MGTOW based on simple costs benefit analysis: the current legal system is heavily stacked against men, and I'm not willing to run the risks. Guys like Turd Flinging Monkey are their own monsters and should be treated as such. There are guys in MGTOW who are basically Neo-reactionaries calling for women to get back into the kitchen, but even many of the men espousing those beliefs, Turd Flinging Monkey included, believe that ship has largely sailed, and that won't happen. Its just a fantasy on their part. I believe the people we laugh at are the far extreme end of the spectrum. Like everything else, its the vocal minority who make things worse for everybody. Most MGTOW are probably just content with actually going their own way.

MGTOW is usually a toxic ideology because it enables men to demonize an entire sex consisting of billions of people because they had one shitty relationship. I think it's an inherently unhealthy ideology. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be single, and I'd love to see that be more accepted by society because right now there's a lot of pressure on people to have a romantic partner. But if you're single because you're convinced people (especially those of the opposite sex) are out to get you, you need help.

I don't think this just applies to men, btw. If there was a woman who had been victimized by men who was now fearful and bitter about men I would encourage her to get help, too. Hating and fearing an entire gender (or race, or religion, or whatever) because of the actions of a few is no way to go through life.

Once again, depends on the MGTOW in question. There are legitimate issues with our legal system and how it favors women over men, especially in family court. And while, women can have similar bitter reactions to dealing with jerk men, you can argue that the risks for a man dealing with a jerk woman are far greater. But I think guys like Turd Flinging Monkey are on the far extreme end of the spectrum, and most MGTOW are just not interested in dealing with women on a personal/romantic level, which is fine.
 
you can argue that the risks for a man dealing with a jerk woman are far greater.

I mean, you could also argue that it's more dangerous for women because of the rates of rape and domestic violence (not trying to imply that there aren't male victims of these things, btw, it's just that women are statistically more likely to experience it).
 
Male "rights" are a fucking joke.

Half of your complaints are about things men do to each other which you bizarrely scapegoat women for (male on male violence, refusing to talk about mental health issues, circumcision - which is a male invented practice that is nothing like FGM unless the entire head of the penis has been removed); the other half of your complaints (not being allowed to own women like property, or to stop your daughters from getting a higher education, or marrying underage girls, or being able to punish disobedient wives etc) are not oppressive to men at all.

FGM and MGM are both ethically horrendous, and no amount of "one is worse than the other" matters, when both require a gross invasion of physical autonomy. The origin of either practice is irrelevant, and it solves exactly zero problems that can't be addressed by good hygienic practices, and in the rare case of phimosis, with a non-surgical device and steroidal creams.

The rest of that reads like something you read on a chan board, although I'm sure I could also find something similar in Molyneux's ravings, and no one should take him seriously.

As for child custody, it is determined by who the main carers are, if they're fit parents and the circumstances behind the marriage breakdown (alcohol and/or substance abuse, domestic violence or coercive behaviour, extramarital affair etc). THAT IS FAIR, whether misogynists like it or not.

It is NOT "oppressive" to men that mothers are given equal opportunity to fight for custody of their children - something which was once denied to mothers for centuries.

However, if misogynists are going to operate under the moronic "logic" that - despite the 24/7 breastfeeding and childcare (while coping with the vaginal stitches, post natal depression, mastitis) on top of the housework and, for some women, a job too - women have absolutely "no right to custody" of the children they grew "just because" they gave birth to them (not forgetting the women who endured excruciating miscarriages, stillbirths and IVF) then misogynists need to explain why they have a right to custody just because they briefly inserted their penis into a woman's vagina and ejaculated...which is no different to the mother supplying her eggs and uterus and is certainly not on an equal footing with pregnancy, life-risking agonising childbirth (and living with the subsequent health issues) or 24/7 breastfeeding etc.

Modern child custody is predicated on the "Tender Years Doctrine", which assumed that women were better at raising small children; prior to that, men were awarded custody because they were legally responsible for all of the costs of the children, like apprenticeships, school, etc.

If a father is part of a child's life, then you're doing all parties a huge disservice by declaring that women be forced into the role of primary caregiver, just based on the laundry list of negatives that stem from fatherless homes and children subject to parental alienation. Some of the big downsides are lowered educational attainment, lowered economic success, higher rates of criminality, substance abuse, psychological issues, and early single parenthood.

The more MRAs, MGTOW and other misogynistic morons scapegoat and vilify women because they can't take responsibility for their poor decisions, behaviour or sexual failings; the more they prove to women that they are not worth the suffering of childbirth or wasting the best years of their lives raising them.

Which is exactly why the scapegoating, vilification and hatred of women and mothers was pushed onto White men in the first place who are too thick to realise that they have guaranteed their eventual annihilation...exactly as intended.

Mediocre radfem bait-posting in that last paragraph.

I mean, there's good bones here, but:

The problem with MGTOW isn't that they are fighting for men's rights. Good men's lib activists fight for the same things good feminists do (or any egalitarian would): equal pay, less restrictive gender roles, parental leave, more equal parenting roles, freedom of emotional/sexual expression, abolishing the draft, more male birth control options, etc. No reasonable person is bashing MGTOW for wanting these things.

The reason they are terrible is because they blame women for all of these societal issues. And the root of it isn't even their disdain for these issues, the root is that they hate women because they can't get laid. And they take it further than equality, which you touched on, wanting to go back to the ages where women had no rights. Because they actually might be able to get laid then.

The issue is that MGTOWs aren't the ones agitating for any of those changes, they're the ones standing off to the side screaming about how lame it is to have relationships, while doing less than nothing. Whether MRAs are accomplishing anything is clearly up for debate, but feminists are rarely in favour of any significant reform to any of the actual issues, based on the number of times NoW has lobbied against shared parenting legislation, or refused to admit that there's something close to 50 years of empirical data that shows that domestic abuse isn't the gendered issue they present it as.

In my experience, the overwhelming majority of MGTOWs are pretty much the same as obnoxious political lesbians - lots of ill-informed yowling and attention-seeking, not especially much accomplishment.

I mean, you could also argue that it's more dangerous for women because of the rates of rape and domestic violence (not trying to imply that there aren't male victims of these things, btw, it's just that women are statistically more likely to experience it).

I've seen CDC material that shows that men "forced to penetrate" happens at similar rates to women forcibly raped, and there's like 50 years of studies showing that bidirectional domestic abuse exhibits gender parity in victimization, and that unidirectional abuse is 70% initiated by women, so I'm going to have to hit X to doubt.
 
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I mean, you could also argue that it's more dangerous for women because of the rates of rape and domestic violence (not trying to imply that there aren't male victims of these things, btw, it's just that women are statistically more likely to experience it).

And you could turn right back around and point to false rape allegations and how false allegations of domestic violence are commonly used by women, especially in divorce and child custody cases. There is no one side to any of this, but when it comes to dealing with jerks (people who are assholes, though not necessarily criminal), men have more risks.
 
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Just wondering, would you be so critical of victimised women who have no interest in engaging with men? You know, since you won't provide proof of what you're alleging about MGTOW men?
Lol, you'd be surprised, but I won't powerlevel

I never said I wouldn't, I said it was late and I needed some shut eye, chill. I will get you caps, it's not the longest thread on this site but it is still 63 pages, so I'll slog through it for you

Besides, admittedly some time ago I was getting half of my mgtow info from inceltears. Since I've been divorcing myself from the latter I might as well do my own personal verification. So patience, please?
 
Lots of threads being brigaded by people trying to defend their content all of a sudden rofl. MGTOWs are flaming homosexuals who are angry that women don't turn them on because they think you can't be gay and manly at the same time. So they try to push for taking away womens' voting rights, their ability to work, etc, and its all in service to their egotism and gay panic.

You can't separate MGTOW from its roots of woman-hating manchildren. MGTOW has plenty of real concrete issues to bring up about how men are treated legally and socially but the entire point of laughing at them is that they are pointing shotguns at their own feet while screaming autistically about how WOMEN ARE FORCING ME TO DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then ordinary people avoid them because no one wants to be around little boys who shoot themselves in the feet and fly too close to the sun by demanding women stop going to college, stop being taught to read, stop working and generating wealth, stop voting and stop having rights, etc. And so the issues that men actually face are lumped in under the "insane woman hater who can't wipe his own ass because reddit told him that's gay" umbrella.

It's always a shock to MGTOW that ordinary people don't want to see women being enslaved and gangraped en masse or whatever so you get defenders running in here and other places desperately trying to go "no no no no you don't understand MGTOWs actually super respectable its only a v o c a l m i n o r i t y that wants to sell girls off at the age of 6 to be raped by 70 year old men" but it falls flat every single time.

MGTOWs are terrible at opsec, they just put all of their stuff out there in the open and then they chimp out and try to smooth talk and/or intimidate people into thinking that they're reasonable. They are not.
 
One thing I noticed that has always baffled me is MGTOW's love of Bill Bur. Hopefully someone can explain to me why almost every MGTOW channel quotes him or will reference his podcast. Like I get that on ocassion he'll call shit out that's obvious bullshit for men but he almost always follows it up by attacking men. Even on his podcast he would give the worst advice to men and once advised a guy to stay with his girlfriend that cheated on him.

Above that the man is the epitome of the whipped marry man where his wife controls his life, my favorite example of this was when he was bitching about atomic blond for his podcast, his wife enters the room and tells him to stop bitching about it and I shit you not his voice not only raised in pitch but he got quiter. I mean I always found it hilarious that MGTOW treats this man like a hero but I've always wondered what there reason was for their love of him.
 
Any proof of these claims you make about calls for women's rights (NOT their privileges) to be removed, etc? Been involved in MR circles for years and have honestly never seen a whiff of that. Or is this a chimera like "death/rape threats" that are never backed up with evidence? I've only ever seen people calling for actual equality and the end of the stranglehold 3rd wave, SJW feminist extremism has on the laws and the courts. I'd welcome some examples.
Also, no MGTOW would want a wife for ANY reason, as being married is 100% anathema to MGTOW.
...One sad Friday night later....

Oh God, what did I slog through?

In all fairness, most of the posts where crying about how women are after their monies and how they soooo unnattracted to women, women are stupid women are whores blah blah blah pretty dehumanising in all honesty

Most of the worst where more violent threats. Not so much rape as I remember. There was one or two pedo-ey posts though.

There was a post where they do want obedient wives though. There was a post about Asian mail order brides but I don't know if this is what you were specifying.

I still recall someone saying women's right to vote should be taken. But okay that's my memory and I'm not expecting anyone to rely purely on that.

Also, lol, inceltears got set to private. First I noticed of that. 'kay..............



Page 9, link to some article on something trump said, Some MGTOW called Tim chucks a spaz and rambles on how much he hates American presidents, whatev… he starts hoping their daughters get raped among some other autism;



https://archive.li/sG8pt



Page 18, link to forum, scroll down one guy reckons they need to pull some ISIS extremist stuff;



https://archive.li/fBG1y



Page 25 Post about a mgtow wanting underage sex. There’s a link in it I got to chickenshit to click



https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mgtow.10373/page-25#post-2407224



Page 33 some guy wants whatever women reads his shit to get beat up



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Page 40 some MGTOW wants to shoot someone



https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mgtow.10373/page-40#post-4261075



Page 44 MGTOWS advise someone not to call cops on guy beating women up



https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mgtow.10373/page-44#lg=attachment681449&slide=0



Continuing page 44 thread women want to be beat up



https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mgtow.10373/page-44#lg=attachment681446&slide=0



Page 56 “if a woman chokes to death, let her die”



https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mgtow.10373/page-56#post-5463549



Page 59 shames some dad who has a daughter getting into med school. Women should be obedient to a husband instead. Slavery isn’t so bad;



https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mgtow.10373/page-59#post-5640790
 
And you could turn right back around and point to false rape allegations and how false allegations of domestic violence are commonly used by women, especially in divorce and child custody cases. There is no one side to any of this, but when it comes to dealing with jerks (people who are assholes, though not necessarily criminal), men have more risks.

You could, but then reality knocks and it turns out men also fabricate false allegations, and they even do it at higher rates than women.
 
Most of these MGTOW who think it's not worth it to be with a woman because of this "cost benefit analysis" likely have zero to even offer anyway. Are you worried a woman will get your mother's basement in the divorce?

Also, men have been in the prime positions of power for literally ever. So if there are all these issues, and the law and such is against men, then maybe take it to the men who put those laws into place.
 
I mean, you could also argue that it's more dangerous for women because of the rates of rape and domestic violence (not trying to imply that there aren't male victims of these things, btw, it's just that women are statistically more likely to experience it).
Women are actually NOT more often victim of DV, in fact women commit something like 65% single-assaulter DV. Numerous studies support this, including Harvard Med School study. Women ARE more likely to be killed in DV, however.
If you include the way women kill by proxy (cops, courts, etc) through driving men to kill themselves, even that #drastically changes. Any study that says different is almost always based on the extremely flawed Duluth model, sadly so are the laws and courts today.
ETA: LOL lookit this @Sunlight faggot impotently negrating every comment.. KYS, girly
 
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Also, men have been in the prime positions of power for literally ever. So if there are all these issues, and the law and such is against men, then maybe take it to the men who put those laws into place.

That's my thing, too. MGTOW claim that "feminazis" have destroyed Western culture and ruined men's lives but when you really look into it most of the people in positions of power are still men. Men are still the ones calling the shots for the most part, although women have definitely made a big impact in the past few decades. Also, social norms like "men are the providers/men must always be strong and never show weakness/men can't be victims" etc have been around long before women's liberation movements and are enforced by other men as well as women.

I just feel like MRAs in general are obsessed with women being the cause of their problems instead of realizing that a lot of them come from other men and male cultural/legal norms. A lot of them also blatantly fetishize patriarchal cultures where women "know their place" (i.e., they don't have rights and are forced to submit to men in every aspect of life) and things are "sane."
 
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